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	<title>Comments on: Custom XML and the demise of Office 2007 as we know it</title>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/custom-xml-demise-office-2007-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2316</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our business analysts are deadset on using MS Word to define the layouts of data collection UIs that are much like a survey forms.  They are simple from a functionality standpoint, but very large and might include lots of text formatting.  We were hoping to program something that would churn through these word documents and do some sort of code generation for the layout, and then we could wire up the textboxes/radio buttons/etc.

My hope was that I could actually imbed custom tags into the word doc itself to designate data entry controls so that if we later have to scrape the word document again due to some changes in text, then the data entry controls can also be generated from the custom tags.  So I don&#039;t need Word to support the tags, but if it&#039;s going to remove the tags, then it&#039;s a big problem and defeats the purpose.  So if I understand correctly, what I want to do is no longer possible because my business analysts(the people editing the word doc that defines the layout of the form) might have the &quot;crippled&quot; version of word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our business analysts are deadset on using MS Word to define the layouts of data collection UIs that are much like a survey forms.  They are simple from a functionality standpoint, but very large and might include lots of text formatting.  We were hoping to program something that would churn through these word documents and do some sort of code generation for the layout, and then we could wire up the textboxes/radio buttons/etc.</p>
<p>My hope was that I could actually imbed custom tags into the word doc itself to designate data entry controls so that if we later have to scrape the word document again due to some changes in text, then the data entry controls can also be generated from the custom tags.  So I don&#8217;t need Word to support the tags, but if it&#8217;s going to remove the tags, then it&#8217;s a big problem and defeats the purpose.  So if I understand correctly, what I want to do is no longer possible because my business analysts(the people editing the word doc that defines the layout of the form) might have the &#8220;crippled&#8221; version of word?</p>
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		<title>By: woody</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/custom-xml-demise-office-2007-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -

I don&#039;t know. More to the point, I don&#039;t know if MS is going to do away with Content Controls in Word 2007. There&#039;s precious little info about the whole thing online...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian -</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. More to the point, I don&#8217;t know if MS is going to do away with Content Controls in Word 2007. There&#8217;s precious little info about the whole thing online&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/custom-xml-demise-office-2007-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1528</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how does this impact the Word 2007 Content Control binding feature? 

You can store a custom XML file inside of the DOCX package, then insert a Content Control into the Word doc that points at an element inside of the custom XML file.

Is this impacted by the patent? Or it only when custom XML is stored along with the OOXML (like in your example above)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how does this impact the Word 2007 Content Control binding feature? </p>
<p>You can store a custom XML file inside of the DOCX package, then insert a Content Control into the Word doc that points at an element inside of the custom XML file.</p>
<p>Is this impacted by the patent? Or it only when custom XML is stored along with the OOXML (like in your example above)?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark C</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/custom-xml-demise-office-2007-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1526</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody
Link to Dec. 22, 2009 Court of Appeals full decision (pdf 49 pages and loads very fast)

http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/09-1504.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody<br />
Link to Dec. 22, 2009 Court of Appeals full decision (pdf 49 pages and loads very fast)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/09-1504.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/09-1504.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark C</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/custom-xml-demise-office-2007-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1525</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woody
Here are links to Aug. 8, 2009 original injunction which affects word 2003 and word 2007. Only two pages and to the point.

In Google search of &quot;Microsoft injunction&quot; you get 

Microsoft Injunction
 
Aug 11, 2009 ... Case 6:07-cv-00113-LEDDocument 413Filed 08/11/2009Page 1 of 2IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS TYLER ...
www.docstoc.com/docs/9698189/Microsoft-Injunction - Cached

Which leads you to :

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9698189/Microsoft-Injunction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woody<br />
Here are links to Aug. 8, 2009 original injunction which affects word 2003 and word 2007. Only two pages and to the point.</p>
<p>In Google search of &#8220;Microsoft injunction&#8221; you get </p>
<p>Microsoft Injunction</p>
<p>Aug 11, 2009 &#8230; Case 6:07-cv-00113-LEDDocument 413Filed 08/11/2009Page 1 of 2IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS TYLER &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9698189/Microsoft-Injunction" rel="nofollow">http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9698189/Microsoft-Injunction</a> &#8211; Cached</p>
<p>Which leads you to :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9698189/Microsoft-Injunction" rel="nofollow">http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9698189/Microsoft-Injunction</a></p>
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		<title>By: woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RC -

I think it&#039;s part of a different case. At least as of five minutes ago, the injunction was not vacated.

From what I&#039;ve read, OpenOffice.org DOES, indeed, use similar technology, as do several other companies. i4i has fired a shot across the bow of several of them. Whether i4i has the grace and common sense to grant OO a free, permanent license remains to be seen. I consider it something of a litmus test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC -</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s part of a different case. At least as of five minutes ago, the injunction was not vacated.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read, OpenOffice.org DOES, indeed, use similar technology, as do several other companies. i4i has fired a shot across the bow of several of them. Whether i4i has the grace and common sense to grant OO a free, permanent license remains to be seen. I consider it something of a litmus test.</p>
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		<title>By: rc primak</title>
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		<dc:creator>rc primak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody -- 

1) Is this the same case in which an injunction was issued, forbidding all sales of Word 2007 going forward (since vacated by the Courts), or was that part of a different patent case? Seems Microsoft should have read the handwriting on the wall as of that moment, eh? 

2) I presume that OpenOffice.org does not use the type of XML meta-data which Microsoft uses. So  are we who use OpenOffice in the clear on this point? 

3) Chalk up another Microsoft boondoggle, making their products so bloated (er, feature-rich) and Byzantine as to invite this kind of patent-sniping. While I don&#039;t usually advocate for businesses to develop their own in-house solutions, it appears that this type of programming might have best been left to third-party or in-house programmers, thus saving Microsoft from all of this litigation in the first place. But that is not the Microsoft way now, is it? Never has been, in my twenty or more years of using Microsoft products, going back to Office 95 in the Windows 95 OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody &#8212; </p>
<p>1) Is this the same case in which an injunction was issued, forbidding all sales of Word 2007 going forward (since vacated by the Courts), or was that part of a different patent case? Seems Microsoft should have read the handwriting on the wall as of that moment, eh? </p>
<p>2) I presume that OpenOffice.org does not use the type of XML meta-data which Microsoft uses. So  are we who use OpenOffice in the clear on this point? </p>
<p>3) Chalk up another Microsoft boondoggle, making their products so bloated (er, feature-rich) and Byzantine as to invite this kind of patent-sniping. While I don&#8217;t usually advocate for businesses to develop their own in-house solutions, it appears that this type of programming might have best been left to third-party or in-house programmers, thus saving Microsoft from all of this litigation in the first place. But that is not the Microsoft way now, is it? Never has been, in my twenty or more years of using Microsoft products, going back to Office 95 in the Windows 95 OS.</p>
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