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		<title>By: woody</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1085</link>
		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can use any browser to download MSE, and it works fine with all of the major browsers.

It updates itself - no IE required - using the same mechanism as Microsoft Update (but working independently of MS Update).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can use any browser to download MSE, and it works fine with all of the major browsers.</p>
<p>It updates itself &#8211; no IE required &#8211; using the same mechanism as Microsoft Update (but working independently of MS Update).</p>
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		<title>By: woody</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1073</link>
		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave -

Yep, I wrote about those clauses in my original Windows Secrets Newsletter article. What I found, though, was that - at least with Windows 7 and Vista - Automatic Updates is NOT turned on when you install MSE. I haven&#039;t had a chance to check a WinXP machine, but it looks like MSE does turn it on.

Hmmmm... there&#039;s one subtlety here. All of my Vista and Win7 machines use Microsoft Update, not Windows Update (it&#039;s just that they notify, but don&#039;t download). I wonder if Auto Updates gets turned on if you have only Windows Update enabled? I&#039;ll try to check that out today.

Scary note about continued validation checks. That would be even harder to check - you&#039;d have to find a Windows crack that works well enough now to get MSE going, but poorly enough that MS catches it in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave -</p>
<p>Yep, I wrote about those clauses in my original Windows Secrets Newsletter article. What I found, though, was that &#8211; at least with Windows 7 and Vista &#8211; Automatic Updates is NOT turned on when you install MSE. I haven&#8217;t had a chance to check a WinXP machine, but it looks like MSE does turn it on.</p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230; there&#8217;s one subtlety here. All of my Vista and Win7 machines use Microsoft Update, not Windows Update (it&#8217;s just that they notify, but don&#8217;t download). I wonder if Auto Updates gets turned on if you have only Windows Update enabled? I&#8217;ll try to check that out today.</p>
<p>Scary note about continued validation checks. That would be even harder to check &#8211; you&#8217;d have to find a Windows crack that works well enough now to get MSE going, but poorly enough that MS catches it in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1070</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martyn,

The Privacy Statement page has a phone home list: http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/privacy.aspx


Woody,

That page also states that &quot;Microsoft Security Essentials turns on automatic updating from Windows Update and Microsoft Update....&quot; 

According to the license terms: &quot;If you do not enlist in the Microsoft Update center, you will not be able to install and operate the software.&quot;

Also note that MSE conducts &quot;validation checks of your operating system software from time to time&quot; and if you fail, the software &quot;may be disabled, or the functionality of the operating system software may be affected&quot;. Thus placing profit above security.

Some things never change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martyn,</p>
<p>The Privacy Statement page has a phone home list: <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/privacy.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/privacy.aspx</a></p>
<p>Woody,</p>
<p>That page also states that &#8220;Microsoft Security Essentials turns on automatic updating from Windows Update and Microsoft Update&#8230;.&#8221; </p>
<p>According to the license terms: &#8220;If you do not enlist in the Microsoft Update center, you will not be able to install and operate the software.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also note that MSE conducts &#8220;validation checks of your operating system software from time to time&#8221; and if you fail, the software &#8220;may be disabled, or the functionality of the operating system software may be affected&#8221;. Thus placing profit above security.</p>
<p>Some things never change.</p>
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		<title>By: Steen</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1068</link>
		<dc:creator>Steen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody-
Yes. I am 100% sure. I am running XP Service Pack 3and I have never had Automatic Updates on, but right after installing MSE I was advised there was an update available for installation. When I checked Security Center Automatic Updates were changed to ON. Checking Windows Updates my Windows Defender had already been updated and the latest patch for Active Kill Bits downloaded, but not installed.
I turned off Automatic Updates (and it seems they stay OFF) and checked whether MSE could still update. No problem.
By the way, with MSE on is it ok to uninstall Windows Defender too? 

Steen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody-<br />
Yes. I am 100% sure. I am running XP Service Pack 3and I have never had Automatic Updates on, but right after installing MSE I was advised there was an update available for installation. When I checked Security Center Automatic Updates were changed to ON. Checking Windows Updates my Windows Defender had already been updated and the latest patch for Active Kill Bits downloaded, but not installed.<br />
I turned off Automatic Updates (and it seems they stay OFF) and checked whether MSE could still update. No problem.<br />
By the way, with MSE on is it ok to uninstall Windows Defender too? </p>
<p>Steen</p>
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		<title>By: woody</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steen -

Are you sure?

I watched carefully for that exact behavior when installing MSE on several Win7 and Vista machines. The MSE install didn&#039;t turn on Automatic Updates. Not sure about XP.

MSE seems to update itself regardless of the Auto Update setting. I have Auto Updates turned off on all of my machines (of course), and MSE is updating itself just fine.

Weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steen -</p>
<p>Are you sure?</p>
<p>I watched carefully for that exact behavior when installing MSE on several Win7 and Vista machines. The MSE install didn&#8217;t turn on Automatic Updates. Not sure about XP.</p>
<p>MSE seems to update itself regardless of the Auto Update setting. I have Auto Updates turned off on all of my machines (of course), and MSE is updating itself just fine.</p>
<p>Weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Steen</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>Steen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Woody,

Skipped AVG, Spywaredoctor, Search and Detstroy, TrendRubot and installed MSE. Just be aware that it immediately turns on Automatic Updates. Typical Microsoft, I think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Woody,</p>
<p>Skipped AVG, Spywaredoctor, Search and Detstroy, TrendRubot and installed MSE. Just be aware that it immediately turns on Automatic Updates. Typical Microsoft, I think!</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Woody,

This is looking good but, on the basis that there is no such thing as a free lunch, just what information does this thing phone home with?

Looking at the youtube thing it appears to be very simple to operate which is brilliant, because Norton confuses the hell out of me as well as raiding my credit card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Woody,</p>
<p>This is looking good but, on the basis that there is no such thing as a free lunch, just what information does this thing phone home with?</p>
<p>Looking at the youtube thing it appears to be very simple to operate which is brilliant, because Norton confuses the hell out of me as well as raiding my credit card.</p>
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		<title>By: woody</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can use any browser you like to download it, and yes it works fine with Firefox. Updates come through the usual Microsoft update mechanism, although you&#039;re asked if you want to install major upgrades. Virus definition file updates are invisible and occur frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can use any browser you like to download it, and yes it works fine with Firefox. Updates come through the usual Microsoft update mechanism, although you&#8217;re asked if you want to install major upgrades. Virus definition file updates are invisible and occur frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Bekka</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>Bekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that like all else Microsoft I use IE to download? Will MSE work with firefox and other browsers, and will it only update through IE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that like all else Microsoft I use IE to download? Will MSE work with firefox and other browsers, and will it only update through IE?</p>
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		<title>By: woody</title>
		<link>http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-security-essentials-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -

MSE is both antivirus and anticrapware. 

As an AV product, it replaces the only marginally useful part of OneCare, which was a marketing nightmare. (&quot;What? I have to PAY MICROSOFT to fix holes in their software?&quot;)

It replaces Windows Defender - a move that I predicted in &quot;Windows 7 All-In-One For Dummies&quot; that came true. You can read the details there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark -</p>
<p>MSE is both antivirus and anticrapware. </p>
<p>As an AV product, it replaces the only marginally useful part of OneCare, which was a marketing nightmare. (&#8221;What? I have to PAY MICROSOFT to fix holes in their software?&#8221;)</p>
<p>It replaces Windows Defender &#8211; a move that I predicted in &#8220;Windows 7 All-In-One For Dummies&#8221; that came true. You can read the details there.</p>
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