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  • MS-DEFCON 2: Make sure you have Windows Automatic Update turned off

    Posted on December 11th, 2017 at 03:55 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    We’ve had a very rocky few months – and amazing array of buggy patches, dutifully vetted by the unpaid beta testers. Don’t volunteer your machine.

    You need to patch sooner or later, but there’s no reason to patch to Microsoft’s schedule.

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    This topic contains 34 replies, has 13 voices, and was last updated by  Bob99 10 months, 1 week ago.

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    • #151236 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      We’ve had a very rocky few months – and amazing array of buggy patches, dutifully vetted by the unpaid beta testers. Don’t volunteer your machine. You
      [See the full post at: MS-DEFCON 2: Make sure you have Windows Automatic Update turned off]

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    • #151273 Reply

      zero2dash
      AskWoody Lounger

      Did MS ever come up with an explanation or a fix for the 1703 -> 1709 auto updates last month?
      I don’t recall seeing either, other than the typical MS “oopsie, we didn’t mean to”.
      I’m wondering (assuming?) this will continue to be an ongoing issue. Ugh. Merry Christmas everyone!

      • #151275 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        It’s still in the “oopsie we didn’t mean to do it” phase, as far as I know. But it looks like they fixed the behavior.

    • #151278 Reply

      Sam
      AskWoody Lounger

      Here we go again.  Mass confusion and agravation. Microsofts early Christmas present and there way of wishing us a Happy Newyear.

    • #151279 Reply

      anonymous

      Microsoft is giving an early gift of coal: kb3150513 is baaaack.

      • #151317 Reply

        bobcat5536
        AskWoody Lounger

        Thanks for the heads up. It got by. I just uninstalled it again.

      • #151503 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss
      • #151826 Reply

        Cascadian
        AskWoody Lounger

        In my reference notes I have written that KB3150513 is dependent on KB2952664. And while my memory fails me on what exactly I meant at the time, I interpret that as KB3150513 will only be offered if KB2952664 is listed in the ‘Installed Updates’ list.

        Can anyone confirm or correct me? I have not had this item appear on this Win7sp1 laptop. Thank you.

        • #151830 Reply

          Kirsty
          AskWoody MVP

          While installing KB3150513 (Latest compatibility definitions) requires KB2952664 (Compatibility update for keeping Windows up to date-Win7) to have been installed (listed as a prerequisite), I have seen it appear in WU lists where KB2952664 is not installed, and where it has also been hidden. Remember that KB2952664 keeps turning up like a bad penny, every time a new version is issued, even if it has been previously hidden.

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          • #151831 Reply

            Cascadian
            AskWoody Lounger

            Thanks, Kristy. A more complete answer than just yes/no, and more informative if not consistent. But if it were all smooth sailing then this site would be boring. I’ll adjust my notes.

            I do keep KB2952664 hidden. With setting at ‘Never’, I restore all from time to time, usually during the lull of MSDefcon2 and note new dates assigned. Cannot explain what is different from one machine to another. Such is the variety of life.

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    • #151293 Reply

      wdburt1
      AskWoody Lounger

      This will be off topic but I don’t know what else to do.  If I click on AskWoody.com in my bookmarks, it takes me to a version of this site that has been frozen in time for more than a week.  However, if I click on the Lounge Forums tab and then take a look at the Recent Topics or Recent Blog Posts sections at right, and click on, e.g., a recent blog post such as this one, I enter an alternate universe, or perhaps the same one at a different point in time!

      Is the infamous caching problem still unsolved?  How should I proceed so I can check the site with less effort and be sure that it’s the same site each time?

      wdburt1

      • #151359 Reply

        anonymous

        The issue was addressed at . When it reappeared for me today, simply pressing refresh done the job. Hope it helps.

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        • #151422 Reply

          anonymous

          Sorry, the link hasn’t appeared, but I meant Woody’s post:

          If you’re only seeing older versions of the site…
          Posted on November 14th, 2017 at 18:52

          • #151459 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            It happened to me, mysteriously, just afew hours ago. Hitting refresh did solve the problem. Probably a local caching issue….

      • #151762 Reply

        anonymous

        I had to hold the Shift key down as I clicked Refresh in Firefox (i.e., “I don’t care if you think you have the current copy, download it from the server anyway.”). That worked for me.

    • #151292 Reply

      anonymous

      Caught up with Group B security patches on my 7 desktop and 8.1 laptop this weekend. Didn’t bother with the dot matrix printer fix, though.

      Oh, and happy holidays to Woody and all the Loungers.

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    • #151303 Reply

      anonymous

      I have a question, I have a 1703 home version, and I have come across a weird stuff with wushowhide, you see, I hide the feature update to 1709 but when there is an update available it unblock itself and it downloads as if I unblocked it, so my question is, is this related to the 1703-1709 bug you mention?

      • #151460 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        It may be related. Best bet is to not check for updates until you’ve first gone back and manually confirmed that wushowhide has hidden the upgrade.

    • #151342 Reply

      anonymous

      ? says:

      ok, hatches battened until the next red\green show in 2018!

      thank you

    • #151373 Reply

      anonymous

      I’m gonna hide any updates tomorrow come past 12pm, I will not let any install sneaky-like like last time…YOU UPDATES are gonna be installed by January 2018 when it’s safe and if 1709 is safe too-it will be downloaded/installed.

       

      Course I could use upgrade assistant like i did when I first booted my computer, more friendly and easy way to install than through windows update.

    • #151450 Reply

      anonymous

      FYI:

      Updates found on 12-12-17 at apprx. 12:00h. (local European time) on Win7 x64 Pro with automatic updates switched off:

      KB 4041083 Security and quality roll up for .NET and Server 2008 R2 for Windows 7 x64
      KB 4048957 Security – Monthly quality roll up for Windows 7 x64
      KB 3138612 Update for Windows 7 x64

      None of them installed, of course.

      • #151456 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        KB4048957 is the November 2017 Monthly Rollup – safe to install if you are in Group A

        KB4041083 is the .NET Rollup issued 9/8/2017 – safe to install

        KB3138612 is an update for Win7 issued 3/7/2016 – important, should be installed

        If you do not install the November 2017 Rollup by 10:00am PST US (Redmond Time zone) it will disappear and be replaced by the December Rollup (which should not be installed untill DEFCON-3) If you have the Dec. patch showing, hide it and the Nov patch will reappear. Install the Nov patch, reboot, then unhide the Dec patch.

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        • #151462 Reply

          walker
          AskWoody Lounger

          @pkcano:   I’ve seen prompts about a new version of Firefox, however haven’t seen anyone else mention this.   I “think” the newest version is now supposed to be 57.0.1.   Anyone else receive a notification?  Need to be certain, and it seems to be as difficult as “finding hen’s teeth”.   Don’t understand why there isn’t any publicity when FF updates to a new version.

          Thank you for any information you may have, and also (as always), thank you for the wonderful job you do of keeping us all informed.   🙂

          • #151463 Reply

            PKCano
            AskWoody MVP

            I’m running Firefox 57.0.1

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            • #151469 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcano:  Thank you so very, very much for the information about this latest version of Firefox.    I sincerely appreciate you sharing that information.    Thank you for all of the up-to-date, knowledgeable, expert, and amazing help you provide for everyone.   It is absolutely invaluable, and very much appreciated.   🙂  🙂

            • #151493 Reply

              Bob99
              AskWoody Lounger

              Good Morning @walker and @PKCano-

              The latest version of Firefox is currently 57.0.2, which was released on December 7th. It does not have any security fixes, compared to Firefox 57.0.1, but instead just fixes two bugs. One bug has to do with older versions of G Data Endpoint Security crashing Firefox on startup, and the other has to do with fixing a regression with WebGL and Direct 3D 9. Both of these bugs are on Windows machines only.

              @walker, I doubt very much you have either of these issues to worry about, based on your postings here on various threads over the past several months. However, if you’re interested, I can post instructions (very detailed so you will know exactly what to do and when 🙂 ) to update your copy of Firefox from 57.0.1 to 57.0.2.

              @pkcano, (or any other knowledgeable MVP perusing this thread) how would a browser be affected by a Direct 3D/WebGL regression issue as Mozilla has stated in the release notes for Firefox 57.0.2? The release notes for FF 57.0.2 can be found here.

               

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            • #151496 Reply

              PKCano
              AskWoody MVP

              I’m on a Mac. I am not being offered 57.0.2 at this time.
              (I’m not looking for betas either).

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            • #151505 Reply

              Bob99
              AskWoody Lounger

              Yep, 57.0.2 is for Windoze (sic) boxes only. 😉 Now, if we can just get an answer to how FF or any other browser would be affected by the claimed WebGL/D3D9 regression issue, we’ll be all set before this gets too off-topic (insert “embarrassed” emoticon here).

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            • #151588 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @bob99:  I don’t know if my FF version (presently 57.0.1) is “ready” for being updated (??).  Anything that appears too “complex” for me, generally is, so it may be best to go to the “help”, and check to see what I’m being offered.

              Appreciate the information, and I’m hoping that I won’t be offered anything that is too sophisticated for me (and that doesn’t take much).    Thank you for the information.  Very much appreciated, as always!     🙂  🙂

            • #152203 Reply

              Bob99
              AskWoody Lounger

              @bob99: I don’t know if my FF version (presently 57.0.1) is “ready” for being updated (??). Anything that appears too “complex” for me, generally is, so it may be best to go to the “help”, and check to see what I’m being offered…

              @walker-

              I’ve sent you a Direct Message on this site. Please go to the Direct Message area to view it. It concerns your Firefox installation, and is definitely off-topic for this thread. To go to the Direct Message area, just go back to the top of this page (or any other page on this site), and click the link at the top that says “Direct Message”. You should then see my message in there.

              R/

              Bob99

          • #151508 Reply

            alphacharlie
            AskWoody Lounger

            My Win 7 Pro 64bit laptop has had Firefox 57.0.2 for a couple of days now, with no problems.

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          • #151715 Reply

            JohnW
            AskWoody Lounger
    • #151523 Reply

      anonymous

      🙂 I just hid this month’s updates using the WIndows Update Hider program or whatever you guys call it. 🙂

      Now I don’t gotta worry until were at Level 3. I bet by January it’ll also be safe to install 1709

    • #151541 Reply

      anonymous

      ? says:

      read ’em and weep!

      https://www.ghacks.net/2017/12/12/microsoft-security-updates-december-2017-release/

      thank you Martin Brinkmann

    • #151550 Reply

      PKCano
      AskWoody MVP

      12/12/2017
      Group B patches have been updated on AKB2000003.

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