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  • Hoffman: Win10 version 1803 file associations don’t work right

    Posted on November 5th, 2018 at 15:53 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    How-To Geek Chris Hoffman just published this eye-opener:

    Windows 10 won’t let you make Adobe Photoshop or Notepad++ a default application for images or text files. But you can make other applications, like IrfanView, VLC, or Google Chrome, your defaults…

    our theory is that this stopped working properly when Microsoft released the KB4462919 update on October 9. But we really don’t know.

    I can verify the bug on 1803, and it isn’t broken on 1703 or 1809, as best I can tell. As Hoffman notes, it looks like Photoshop and Notepad++ are the main culprits, but I bet there are others.

    Give it a try and see what happens on your machine.

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    This topic contains 35 replies, has 13 voices, and was last updated by  anonymous 1 week, 4 days ago.

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    • #230377 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      How-To Geek Chris Hoffman just published this eye-opener: Windows 10 won’t let you make Adobe Photoshop or Notepad++ a default application for images
      [See the full post at: Hoffman: Win10 version 1803 file associations don’t work right]

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    • #230392 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Lounger

      Microsoft seems to want a piece of Adobe pie. As all windows 10 users know when Edge opens up a pdf file and then you manually have to change the file association….and then change it again with every OS version update.

      • #230398 Reply

        GreatAndPowerfulTech
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m not so sure about that. I set Sumatra PDF as my default PDF reader, in Windows 10, three years ago. I’m on version 1809 now, and Sumatra still opens my PDF files when I select them, and has done so with each feature update. Windows 10 issues do often seem random, though.

        GreatAndPowerfulTech

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        • #230405 Reply

          Mr. Natural
          AskWoody Lounger

          That’s even more interesting since the Sumatra reader you mention is not an Adobe product. (Is it?)

    • #230404 Reply

      anonymous

      Woody, The proper extension (i.e. .txt) is registered under Notepad++ settings? If an application has not registered files types, there is litte Windows can do, right?

    • #230407 Reply

      RetiredGeek
      AskWoody MVP

      Just tested my 1803 Pro and Insider Build 18272.rs_prerelease.181026-1425 setups and double clicking a .txt file opens in Notepad++ as it has since Win 7.

      I don’t allow Adobe on my system but double clicking a .PDF file opens up in Foxit Reader on both systems also.

      As always YMMV! HTH 😎

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

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      • #230410 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        I wonder if it’s peculiar to fresh installs?

        It’s also entirely possible that Notepad++ doesn’t register itself properly — but I’ll be hanged if I can figure out how or why. Setting the association from inside Notepad++ fails to “take,” too.

        And I’m seeing the problem in 1809.

        • #230441 Reply

          anonymous

          You’ll have to fire up Notepad++ as admin… since it’s registering file types under HKCR… Then, .txt should register fine and show up (only when running as admin). After .txt has been registered, you can choose Notepad++ as default app for .txt.. Cheers!

          • #230442 Reply

            anonymous

            PS: Works for 1809 as well.

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        • #230487 Reply

          warrenrumak
          AskWoody Lounger

          Don’t be hanged, Woody, we need you!!

      • #230575 Reply

        Angstony
        AskWoody Lounger

        double clicking a .txt file opens in Notepad++

        Try changing a file type on 1803 that isn’t already associated to NP++ and see what happens. Worse, invent a file type and try associating it to anything. If it’s the same as my system Windows will still prompt you every time. I’ve even tried setting it using Nirsoft’s FileTypesMan but I still get prompted.

        Edit: I take it back, FileTypesMan does fix the problem, I just needed to add an ‘Open’ action the file type.

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        • #230678 Reply

          RetiredGeek
          AskWoody MVP

          Agnstony,

          Maybe this has something to do with it?

          NPPSupportedExts

          Tried the NirSoft program and it wouldn’t let me set .log to a type notepad++ would open.

          I ran the NppLauncher-0-9-9-Setup program and now all Notepad formats open in Notepad++.

          May the Forces of good computing be with you!

          RG

          PowerShell & VBA Rule!
          Computer Specs

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          • #230696 Reply

            Angstony
            AskWoody Lounger

            Tried the NirSoft program and it wouldn’t let me set .log to a type notepad++ would open.

            Interesting. For me .log was set to open in Notepad, so I ran FileTypesMan and edited the ‘Open’ action to use NP++ by default and it worked fine, albeit without making Explorer change the icon, so it looks like it will open in Notepad but actually opens in NP++

            Another issue I’ve noticed is Windows no longer adds used programs to the ‘Open with’ list. For example: I have .tpl files set to open in Visual Code and no other program is associated to it.

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            As I’m sure you’re aware, you normally get an ‘Open with’ submenu after doing that, but not any more it seems.

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    • #230414 Reply

      lurks about
      AskWoody Lounger

      This sounds like a weird problem that is very aggravating to those afflicted. On the bright side their data is not being deleted. W10 seems to be getting worse not better as the releases pile up.

    • #230445 Reply

      anonymous

      I’ve seen a report of Irfanview not being remembered, although I’m not sure of the Win10 version. It sounds like a new computer though, so a problem on fresh installs sounds possible.

      • #230499 Reply

        anonymous

        IrfanView is being remembered very well. And M$ buggy OS keeps nagging that it caused “problems” Over and over again. And over and over again stealing back the associations for jpg, png etc. etc. etc.
        It’s not that it’s not being remembered. It’s that their new “modern” GUI to set up default programs is buggy, plus the “troubleshooting” process that runs in the background and keeps resetting your settings… (edited)

    • #230467 Reply

      HarryH3
      AskWoody Lounger

      When I try to change the .txt association in the Settings window, I only get 3 options.  Notepad, Wordpad, and Choose an app from the store.  Browse the computer for an app is not an option.  🙁

      • #230488 Reply

        warrenrumak
        AskWoody Lounger

        You’re not seeing  “More apps ⬇” underneath the suggestion to look in the Microsoft Store?  The option to choose a local application is in there.

        • #230514 Reply

          HarryH3
          AskWoody Lounger

          Nope.  Just a huge list of MS Store Apps.  🙁

          Version 1803. It’s a click-fest just to get there.  Settings -> Apps -> Apps & features -> Choose default apps by file type (At the bottom of the screen) -> Scroll and scroll and scroll to get to .txt files -> Click Notepad -> List pops up with “Notepad, Wordpad, and Look for an app in the store. ” -> Click Look for an app in the store -> Wall of icons (322 to choose from!!)

          Programs that were associated before the 1803 update are still properly associated.  It’s when you try to change that selection that you’ll see the new Microsoft business plan.  😉 When I click on a previously associated app in the Default Apps screen, to try to change it, there is no longer an option to select a program from my local drive.  (Example:  I have VLC as my default video player and Firefox as my default browser. )

          My guess?  Microsoft hopes that people will purchase apps from the store (so MS gets a piece of the action), instead of downloading from a website.  Microsoft sucks a bit more every day.  🙁

           

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          • #230536 Reply

            warrenrumak
            AskWoody Lounger

            Try right-clicking the document in Explorer,  then choosing “Open With” and see if the option is there.  I checked this in 1803 and 1809 and it works fine.

    • #230490 Reply

      snalmond
      AskWoody Lounger

      Double-clicking a .psd file opened it with Photoshop Elements in 1803.

    • #230530 Reply

      gborn
      AskWoody MVP

      Since How To Geek and Woody mentioned that file type association issue, I posted a German and English article about that. Also other German sites grabbed that topic. Feedback from German readers so far: It may happen on Windows 10 V17xx, V1803 and V1809. While some observe the issue, others are not affected.

      Till now I haven’t a glue why. What one German blog reader noted within a comment in my blog was, that the command prompt type command worked and he was able to assign an application to a file type.

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    • #230540 Reply

      HarryH3
      AskWoody Lounger

      Try right-clicking the document in Explorer, then choosing “Open With” and see if the option is there. I checked this in 1803 and 1809 and it works fine.

      The option is there, but it doesn’t stick, even when I select “Always use this app to open .txt files”.  The selected file will open in Notepad ++, but if I close the file then open it again, MS Notepad opens it.  Right-click -> Open With shows MS Notepad still associated with .txt files.

       

    • #230541 Reply

      HarryH3
      AskWoody Lounger

      Double-clicking a .psd file opened it with Photoshop Elements in 1803.

      It seems that MS didn’t mess with existing associations, but they won’t let you change them once 1803 is installed.  🙁

      Now try to CHANGE the .psd file association to a different program.  😉  Can’t do it here.

       

       

    • #230544 Reply

      Microfix
      AskWoody MVP

      Group Policy settings, does enabling this help?
      Turn off Internet File Association Service

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    • #230551 Reply

      HarryH3
      AskWoody Lounger

      Group Policy settings, does enabling this help?
      Turn off Internet File Association Service

      Didn’t change anything here, unless a reboot is required after the change.

      • This reply was modified 1 week, 6 days ago by  HarryH3.
      • #230557 Reply

        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        Possibly, I usually reboot after all my GPE changes have been made, as a matter of habit. Some edits don’t require a reboot, some do.

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    • #230569 Reply

      techweenie
      AskWoody Lounger

      I don’t know if it works on Windows 10, but this little utility may save the day.  I had to use it on a Mastercam machine that wouldn’t open certain machine text files in the correct app no matter what.

      https://www.winhelponline.com/xp/openwithadd.htm

    • #230611 Reply

      anonymous

      Since Windows 10’s first release we have problems with file associations. They often jump back to the basic Microsoft apps which are totally useless. Especially image file formats are pushed back to Photos time and time again. Very annoying, but somehow you learn to live with changing back things as you want. It’s one of the many bugs in 10. Actually, it’s most probably not even a bug but just pushy behavior.

    • #230650 Reply

      HarryH3
      AskWoody Lounger

      Since Windows 10’s first release we have problems with file associations. They often jump back to the basic Microsoft apps which are totally useless. Especially image file formats are pushed back to Photos time and time again. Very annoying, but somehow you learn to live with changing back things as you want. It’s one of the many bugs in 10. Actually, it’s most probably not even a bug but just pushy behavior.

      The big difference this time is that they have locked users out of making changes.  🙁

      • #230707 Reply

        anonymous

        Ah, I see. Bleh.

      • #231104 Reply

        anonymous

        Using assoc and ftype on the command line should be good to go as workaround for the time being.

    • #230718 Reply

      anonymous

      I can verify this is correct. On an 1803 new install, after installing kb4462919, would not allow setting Photoscape 3.7 as default for .png or .jpeg, .gif, or any image files. Not even in setting default programs option – the program was not there and there was no option to ‘browse’ for desired program. Shut out.

      Went to the store and downloaded Photoscape X (store app only download, made for 10 apparently) and it would allow it as default – but I did not like it. At all.

      Unistalled 4462919 and then it would allow Photoscape 3.7 as default. Found others online also saying uninstalling 4462919 from 1803 was the only way to fix it.

      So 1803 it does work, but the kb4462919 is the culprit

      Windows 1o ‘the service’ – no tip for bad service

      • #231105 Reply

        anonymous

        What happens after re-applying the KB? Changes get reverted?

        • #231193 Reply

          anonymous

          Have not re-applied it –
          turned off the updates and will wait to see what happens with 1809

          …even if default choices set before the KB do hold, the problem will arise again if you want to change it to something else, or with some other default program choices that W10 does not approve.

          Playing cat and mouse with MS for control of the computer is not how it should go…

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