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    Posted on July 1st, 2018 at 14:57 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

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    This topic contains 28 replies, has 18 voices, and was last updated by

     DrBonzo 8 months, 3 weeks ago.

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    • #200760 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss
    • #200764 Reply

      JohnW
      AskWoody Plus

      What I really don’t understand is the 61% Chrome usage….

      I use FF 90% of the time.

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      • #200787 Reply

        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Plus

        Nor me, but an awful lot of people seem to think Chrome is wonderful. I’ve had to ring a couple of technical helplines recently (the fault was in each case at their end, by the way, not my PC!) and when I told them I use FireFox in preference to Chrome, they virtually snorted with disgust. But FF does everything for me.

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      • #200861 Reply

        GreatAndPowerfulTech
        AskWoody Lounger

        Chrome got “lucky” when Firefox was stuck at sub-par, before Quantum came out, and IE and Edge were both horrible. IE still is as it’s the most susceptible of the big four to malware attacks. Many long time IE users, on Windows 7 and 8.x, aren’t going to change their browser until their current PC’s die. Most won’t know that IE is still available, buried in the Windows Accessories folder, in Windows 10. Edge has improved and is usable. Firefox and Chrome both work well, IMO. Avoiding Google is a personal choice that has nothing to do with how well Chrome functions as a browser.

        GreatAndPowerfulTech

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    • #200765 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody_MVP

      Nowadays, when browser agent strings can be reprogrammed so that they look like other browsers it’s a bit hard to think of such stats as hard data.

      What does the browser I choose to use for most things go into such stats as? Pale Moon (a FireFox derivative) with the User Agent Mode set to Firefox Compatibility (and which also has choices for Native and Gecko Compatibility).

      And let’s not forget who it is that gathers such stats.

      Thinking about that a bit… Given that I block tracking sites, my own browsing particulars may not impact the stats at all.

      And are all the Android phones with high res screens that people with good eyes have set to request the desktop sites tallying browser brownie points for Google? Are we sure they define “desktop” the way we think?

      Too many questions to take these stats very seriously.

      Personally I wouldn’t choose to install Google software on my computer if I had other choices.

      -Noel

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    • #200768 Reply

      Northwest Rick
      AskWoody Lounger

      I use FF 90% of the time.

      Likewise, except for me it’s about 99%. If I encounter the odd site that would require me to contort FF settings beyond recognition just so it will run, I resort to IE instead, then zap all history before I close it down.

      • #200772 Reply

        JohnW
        AskWoody Plus

        My reason is simple and for security (not privacy) purposes only.

        No Flash ever touches my FF.  It’s kept to strict HTML5 only. 🙂

        I use Chrome for those stupid sites that still embed Flash videos.  At least Google usually keeps Chrome updated with the latest flash security advisories, no manual maintenance required.

        And in addition to my tracking and blacklisting protection and I use CCleaner to erase my file tracks daily, cache, history, cookies, etc.

    • #200785 Reply

      anonymous

      Internet Explorer being more used than Firefox?
      Wooooaaaah, the times have changed…

    • #200790 Reply

      Geo
      AskWoody Plus

      Probably because MS uses IE for updates.  Other then that the percentage would be less.

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      • #200841 Reply

        MrJimPhelps
        AskWoody_MVP

        We use IE at my job. When we moved to Windows10 several months ago, we continued to use IE.

        When I am on a Windows10 computer, I sometimes use Edge; in fact, I like Edge, because it is fast, faster than IE.

        At home, however, I use Firefox and Opera.

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        with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
        • #200845 Reply

          JohnW
          AskWoody Plus

          I have always believed you should use a separate browser (or computer for that matter) for your “secure” browsing like online banking, etc., and another for your general web surfing.

          I use Edge for that now (replaced IE for that purpose only), and everything else is mostly FF.

          I really wonder when enterprises are going to break free of IE?  Seems they hitched their future to custom intranet apps years ago and are reluctant to move on.  At least they did at my last employer.

        • #201140 Reply

          DrBonzo
          AskWoody Lounger

          Speaking of Opera, I first started using it on my old Vista machine after IE slowed to a crawl. Opera was fast, easy to use, and easy to configure. It’s my favorite browser. So I’m wondering why it’s so unpopular. Am I missing something important – some big flaw or drawback?

    • #200795 Reply

      WildBill
      AskWoody Plus

      That won’t last forever. IE 11 only runs on Windows 7 & 8.1. Unless they’re counting older versions running on Win7 or older machines as well. Edge is exclusively for Windows 10. The more Win7/8.1 machines are upgraded to Win10, the more Edge usage goes up & IE goes down. Of course, since Chrome & Firefox are available for multiple platforms, they’ll still lead. I run Firefox on Win8.1 because I don’t like that Chrome won’t track me.

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      • #200796 Reply

        anonymous

        Internet Explorer 11 is included with Windows 10. However, Microsoft would rather you use Edge.

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      • #200894 Reply

        MrJimPhelps
        AskWoody_MVP

        I’m running IE 11 with Windows10 as we speak.

        Group "L" (Linux Mint)
        with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
    • #200807 Reply

      anonymous

      I come from the “plug-in D’Jour” days…Firefox used to be my favorite, years ago…ran it for nearly 10 years…then, … a rash of security issues made me switch over to Chrome.

      (The internet was not as malware-laden in olden times.)

      Through a series of add-ons, tweaks, internal surgery etc., I managed to defang the thing to where it is as innocuous as it can be bludgeoned into on the snooping front.  I liked the fact that it’s fairly well sandboxed. But it still can be a pain once in a while.

      Having said that, I may go back and take a look at FF again; seems they have come up a bit in the world again.  Never a good thing to have just one browser. I have IE as a backup.

      • #200811 Reply

        JohnW
        AskWoody Plus

        I have not had a single FF crash since the 64-bit multi process version was released.

        Very stable and a good performer!

        And you can disable telemetry!  🙂

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    • #200819 Reply

      Microfix
      AskWoody MVP

      As an experienced user of Mozilla browser since the Phoenix/ Firebird days, it works as I want and it’s just so easy tailoring the browser to my known and trusted specific settings continually for each new version, each to their own.

      As Noel has pointed out, user agents can affect marketshare results!

      Business aside, it’s all relative to the lazy PC/ Tablet/ Mobile culture of today, most don’t want to know, just that it works for them.

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    • #200829 Reply

      Carl D
      AskWoody Lounger

      What I really don’t understand is the 61% Chrome usage…. I use FF 90% of the time.

      That’s really quite simple. Chrome has been ‘bundled’ with just about every bit of freeware (and more) that people have downloaded for the past several years.

      And, since most people just ‘click through’ without reading when installing their nice new bit of freeware they suddenly find this extra icon on their desktop/taskbar for Google Chrome and wonder “where did that come from?” (it is always ticked to install by default).

      I’ve even had one or two friends who didn’t even realize Chrome had been installed (despite the presence of the abovementioned icon).

      All of these probably count in the statistics even if these people never even use Chrome after it is installed.

      Even my Gigabyte motherboard driver discs over the past 3 years have had Chrome on them (recommended by Gigabyte and ticked to install by default, of course).

      I’m sure Firefox (or any other browser) would be the #1 browser today had they been able to use the same ‘tactics’ as Google has with Chrome.

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      • #201073 Reply

        anonymous

        Carl D wrote:

        Chrome has been ‘bundled’ with just about every bit of freeware (and more) that people have downloaded for the past several years.

        Also add to that one of my personal pet peeves:
        the super-annoying pop-up Chrome advert that appears every b***** time I have the audacity to visit Google(.com) using an other-than-Chrome browser…

        ==========================================
        Switch to Chrome, a smarter browser
        Google recommends using Chrome. Try it?

        ==========================================

        or sometimes…

        ==========================================
        Switch to Chrome, a smarter browser
        Get things done with Google Chrome

        ==========================================

        or occasionally…

        ==========================================
        Switch to Chrome
        Set your bookmarks once and browse across all your devices

        ==========================================

        AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

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        • #201111 Reply

          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Lounger

          The constant Chrome-nagging on Google.com every time I just wanted to search the Web, finally drove me to DuckDuckGo.

           

          • #201114 Reply

            anonymous

            I agree, nagging is so bothersome. I currently use Firefox with StartPage as my home. I do like DuckDuckGo almost as much. I avoid Google page because of the nagging.

            https://www.startpage.com/

          • #201123 Reply

            AlexEiffel
            AskWoody_MVP

            CTRL-K on Firefox brings you to the Firefox (no third-party!) search bar and then it sends your search term to Google, so you only see the Google results page, never the home page. My home page is the Firefox one with the search to Google behind. I didn’t switch to DuckDuckGo, yet. Firefox starts faster with its own home page rather than having to load Google. Of course, I also disabled everything except the search bar on the Firefox home page.

            And I keep the search bar in addition to the location bar (CTRL-L) because searching in the location bar (the new default when you install Firefox being to have only one bar for everything) sometimes doesn’t work as well since it might try to convert your search term to a website address.

            This set-up is fast and never annoys me.

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    • #200839 Reply

      anonymous

      The USA stats are easier to come by for Netmarketshare. They skew the worldwide stats and give a false picture of user preference for one browser over another. If you look at the most populated countries in the world where online usage is soaring, the access to the usage data is limited.

      For desktop usage, IE6 is still in use in China.
      June 2018 (China): Chrome 48.27%, IE 2.86%. No FF and no Edge numbers.

      June 2018 (India): Chrome 50.83%, Opera 6.45%, Firefox 2.54%.

      The rest of Asia?

      Even the stats I have found are questionable.

      It appears that the stats on mobile browser usage is closer to reality outside the USA. These stats are easier to come by and a truer representation of user choice. Many companies limit the choice of browser on company desktops and some give no choice at all.

      • #200844 Reply

        John
        AskWoody Lounger

        Got to figure in some markets mobile rules, which is why you see such a big tick in mobile browsers. Its pretty obvious why Microsoft ported Edge to Android and IOS because of this. Although it really hasn’t improved Edge’s numbers overall. Chrome has obviously made a huge dent in mobile and PC browser markets. Its in command overall in all markets and is seriously ahead in most. I think this is rather bad for the web overall as it gives Google a lot of leverage in dictation web directions.

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    • #200843 Reply

      John
      AskWoody Lounger

      Edge for me just isn’t there to use every day. Chrome has had 10 years to seal up a dominate place in browser market and realistically neither Edge or Firefox have offered much in the way of dramatic improvements to sway Chrome users to switch. I scratch my head too about Chrome given the recent push for better privacy. But clearly addiction to Google products have left users tied to its grip even though many probably would like to move away. I use Firefox mostly now, and occasionally use Edge. I avoid anything Google as much as I can these days.

    • #200871 Reply

      Bill C.
      AskWoody Plus

      …Business aside, it’s all relative to the lazy PC/ Tablet/ Mobile culture of today, most don’t want to know, just that it works for them.

      Yes, that is so true.  At least until it doesn’t.  Then they buy a new device and ‘upgrade’.

    • #200879 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      Firefox. No chrome, just brass.

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    • #201076 Reply

      anonymous

      I use Firefox version 60.0.2 about 99% of the time with no problems. I rarely play with the Opera browser (version 54 now), although I do not care that the Chinese bought Opera a while back. I suspect Google Chrome is so prevalent because of the money that Google has, remember the phrase ‘Follow the money’ ?  Mozilla just does not have the billions of $ that Google has. Here is an interesting fairly current read from 30 May 2018:

      https://www.fastcodesign.com/90174010/bye-chrome-why-im-switching-to-firefox-and-you-should-too

      It is probably too much work to get Firefox on all the Android smartphones, tho.

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