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  • Once again, KB 4023057 gets pushed out to all Win10 versions — and you don’t want it

    Posted on September 9th, 2018 at 09:32 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    I just switched off the metered connection on my production machine, and what to my wondering eyes should appear…

    KB 4023057 “Update to Windows 10, versions 1507, 1511, 1607, 1703, and 1709 for update reliability” isn’t available in the Microsoft Update Catalog.  Per the KB article

    Only certain builds of Windows 10, versions 1507, 1511, 1607, 1703, and 1709 require this update. Devices that are running those builds automatically get the update downloaded and installed through Windows Update.

    This update is also offered directly to Windows Update Client for some devices that have not installed the most recent updates. This update is not offered through the Microsoft Update Catalog.

    We’ve seen a patch with the same KB number numerous times in the history of Win10. @ch100 explained it thusly:

    KB4023057 was and still is one of the most weird and unexplained updates in the recent times. This update has never been offered to WSUS, but only to Windows Update. This would indicate that it meant for unmanaged end-users and unmanaged small business users…

    This patch may be harmless, but why it was released and where it actually applies, it is still a mystery.

    The KB article was updated on Sept 6.

    My recommendation: Fuhgeddaboutit. When you’re good and ready to upgrade to 1803 (or 1809, or — in my case — 1709), let Windows figure out what it needs to pull you into the borg.

    UPDATE: Günter Born has a detailed description.

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     EP 4 months, 1 week ago.

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    • #216362 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I just switched off the metered connection on my production machine, and what to my wondering eyes should appear… KB 4023057 “Update to Windows 10,
      [See the full post at: Once again, KB 4023057 gets pushed out to all Win10 versions — and you don’t want it]

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    • #216368 Reply

      anonymous

      Well, Microsoft has opened the door to at least some transparency with this update. Under the section titled “Notes about this update” they spell out a few things the update does to your copy of Windows 10. Among them:

      This update may try to reset network settings if problems are detected, and it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully.

      This update may repair disabled or corrupted Windows operating system components that determine the applicability of updates to your version of Windows 10.

      This update may reset the Windows Update database to repair the problems that could prevent updates from installing successfully. …

      I added the emphasis in italics above.

      Unless I misread these bits, this update will attempt to “fix” any settings it deems necessary in order to allow you receive updates when MS feels like giving them to you regardless of if you actually want them at that time or not.

    • #216394 Reply

      ViperJohn
      AskWoody Lounger

      Well, Microsoft has opened the door to at least some transparency with this update. Under the section titled “Notes about this update” they spell out a few things the update does to your copy of Windows 10. Among them:

      This update may try to reset network settings if problems are detected, and it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully. This update may repair disabled or corrupted Windows operating system components that determine the applicability of updates to your version of Windows 10. This update may reset the Windows Update database to repair the problems that could prevent updates from installing successfully. …

      I added the emphasis in italics above. Unless I misread these bits, this update will attempt to “fix” any settings it deems necessary in order to allow you receive updates when MS feels like giving them to you regardless of if you actually want them at that time or not.

      What it does is undo and/or reset everything a knowledgeable user has deliberately done/set to prevent Satya from forcing you into his “New Release to RTM Tier 2 Unpaid Beta Test Sheep Herd” (at absolute minimum all W10 Home Users).  Tier 1 would be the Insiders that do knowingly volunteer to be Alpha/Beta testers.

    • #216410 Reply

      PKCano
      Da Boss

      My method for hiding/avoiding KB 4023057 (and any other updates you do not want):

      Set Network to metered connections each time before shutting down the computer. That way, you are on Metered connections when you boot up.

      + Boot computer with metered connections on.
      + Immediately run wushowhide. (Advanced\uncheck auto fix)
      + Hide KB 4023057 (and whatever other updates you do not want).
      + Open Services – highlight Windows Update Service, Disable, Apply, Stop the service (upper left)
      + Restart the computer (not shutdown/bootup)
      + Open Services – highlight Windows Update Service, set to Manual, Apply, DO NOT start the service. Close Services.
      + Immediately run wushowhide and verify the update(s) are hidden.
      + Now you should be able to open Settings\Updates and Security and update without getting the hidden updates. Once you see that only the ones you want are there, turn off Metered connections and allow download.
      + Reset connections to Metered BEFORE the Restart.

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      • #216432 Reply

        anonymous

        Unless this has changed from 1607, you should be able to click on download getting the update cutting out a few steps. First time should give you a message, the next click will commit to doing the update tasks.

        • #216436 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          If you do not follow the above procedure, the updates you have supposedly hidden may not be cleared from the Settings\Updates and Security\Windows update queue and will thus be downloaded and installed in spite of the fact you THINK you have hidden them.

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      • #216514 Reply

        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        Pardon me, but this is UNBELIEVABLE… All those steps to make the system running the way YOU want. Well, I’ll be joining the group quite soon, as I’m not too keen to update from 1803 that I am quite satisfied with and if it’s going to prove too difficult or time consuming, this will be my last Windows 10 version :).

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      • #232310 Reply

        KP
        AskWoody Lounger

        Adding a little to the above process:

        + Boot computer with metered connections on.
        + Pause off (if applicable)
        + Immediately run wushowhide. (Advanced\uncheck auto fix)
        + Hide KB 4023057 (and whatever other updates you do not want).
        + Open Services [Administrative Tools, Services] – highlight Windows Update Service, Disable, Apply, Stop the service (upper left)
        + Restart the computer (not shutdown/bootup) [eg. command line: shutdown -r ]
        + Open Services – highlight Windows Update Service, set to Manual, Apply, DO NOT start the service. Close Services.
        + Immediately run wushowhide and verify the update(s) are hidden.
        + Now you should be able to open Settings\Updates and Security and update without getting the hidden updates. Once you see that only the ones you want are there, turn off Metered connections and allow download.
        + Reset connections to Metered BEFORE the Restart. [Pause on, Metered on]

        It works if you do not mind the PC Reset. It works on 1709 Home and Pro. KB4023057 is a hidden update. Thanks for the process.

    • #216411 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody_MVP

      Microsoft, if you’re reading this, choosing to NOT describe in technical and certain terms what your software updates will do is leading to hatred and suspicion of your policies and your products. This is obvious even to plankton.

      It’s particularly funny because I could swear Mr. Nadella has voiced a desire for everyone to love Microsoft.

      What’s described in this KB – and indeed in almost every recent KB – in no way gets close to any imaginable goal of transparency and reducing confusion. You just don’t get to say it without doing it. Even Wall Street will notice that behavior!

      May I suggest that putting forth the effort and expense to do better documentation starting right now – WAY better – is the only way you’re going to win the folks back who used to be your staunchest supporters. It would sure help my waning opinion of your business. You need to lay off your Marketing people who are telling you to do social engineering to try to get people to expect less of Microsoft. The world doesn’t run that way. It is not a path to success.

      -Noel

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      • #216743 Reply

        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        Has the documentation been expanded to include more detail?

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4023057/update-to-windows-10-versions-1507-1511-1607-1703-and-1709-for-update

        This is actually looking more and more like the clear and detailed description I was hoping to see. Thank you, Microsoft. This is good.

        Notes about this update

        • This update may request your device to stay awake longer to enable installation of updates.
        • Note The installation will respect any user-configured sleep configurations and also your “active hours” when you use your device the most.
        • This update may try to reset network settings if problems are detected, and it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully.
        • This update may repair disabled or corrupted Windows operating system components that determine the applicability of updates to your version of Windows 10.
        • This update may compress files in your user profile directory to help free up enough disk space to install important updates.
        • This update may reset the Windows Update database to repair the problems that could prevent updates from installing successfully. Therefore, you may see that your Windows Update history was cleared.

        I’m not a fan of Microsoft software “resetting” network settings or “repairing” disabled Windows operating system components – think about who made those settings or disabled those components – but hey, now we can clearly see why this is not a recommended update for those who wish to be in control.

        -Noel

    • #216423 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      Once again, KB 4023057 gets pushed out to all Win10 versions

      All Win10 versions except 1803 which is used by 87%.

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      • #216434 Reply

        anonymous

        Where did you get that number?

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        • #216452 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          Windows 10 Version 1803 Continues Its Upward Climb

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          • #216516 Reply

            radosuaf
            AskWoody Lounger

            AdDuplex methodology has been discussed back and forth and we know well it’s far from being reliable.

            MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 1809 64-bit
      • #216443 Reply

        RamRod
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m happily running 1511.

        • #216518 Reply

          anonymous

          Running 1709 on 2 laptops and 1 desktop here. Have zero plans to upgrade.

      • #216474 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        All Win10 versions except 1803

        That’s correct.

    • #216451 Reply

      Zaphyrus
      AskWoody Lounger

      thanks Mr.Woody or however discovered this first, You saved my computer from being upgraded and from this update.

      Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.
    • #216499 Reply

      gborn
      AskWoody_MVP

      Where did you get that number?

      I guess from AdDuplex? https://reports.adduplex.com/#/r/2018-08

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         gborn.
      • #216517 Reply

        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        “This report is based on data collected from around 5,000 Windows Store apps running AdDuplex SDK v.2 (and higher).”

        MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 1809 64-bit
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    • #216572 Reply

      RamRod
      AskWoody Lounger

      If you do inadvertently install KB4023057 or any other update that does anything to your update stack, then you need to take some remedial steps.

      First, you can’t ignore the tasks MS installs in Task Scheduler. Look for task related to SIH – the Server-Initiated Healing. Remove them. MS installs tasks to blow away the steps you’ve taken to postpone the update.

      Second, delete any directories related to Update Assistant.

      Vigilance!

    • #216611 Reply

      anonymous

      Switched on computer today. Got treated to an absolute monster of an Office 365-update and this KB. After 25 minutes of crunching data one system ran into trouble, multiple shell experience host crashes out of the blue. Somehow resolved itself after about 3 restarts. Windows updates and – now also Office updates – are not reliable at all. Of course they should never be downloaded and installed all together at the same time after logging in. It should be asked first and installed when there is time for that. After logging in Windows is very busy with all kind of household chores. Let those finish first. Microsoft wants to show off with fast boot times, but they are fake. By rolling out updates after logging in, they are basically installed while Windows is still starting all kinds of processes etc. Doesn’t work. I think it’s at least half of the problem of problematic updates. For me, Windows is a dead end. There is more under the horizon.

    • #216679 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody_MVP

      …It may also take steps to free up disk space on your device if you do not have enough disk space to install Windows updates…

      When did we say it was okay for Microsoft to delete our files?

      -Noel

      • #216683 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        When did we say it was okay for Microsoft to delete our files?

        It doesn’t say “delete”:

        This update may compress files in your user profile directory to help free up enough disk space to install important updates.

        To help free up disk space, this update may compress files in your user profile directory so that Windows Update can install important updates. When files or folders are compressed, they appear as having two blue arrows overlaid on the icon.

        After you install the update, your files are restored to their original state, and the blue arrows disappear from the file icons in File Explorer. At any point during the update process, you should be able to access your files.

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        • #216740 Reply

          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody_MVP

          Thanks for that detail; I had overlooked it.

          But noting that all these bits of documentation appear to be written by lawyers, I’d say that it doesn’t say it won’t delete files either. “Take steps” is not specific.

          -Noel

          • #216755 Reply

            Jan K.
            AskWoody Lounger

            Same lawyer probably recommended “should be able to” instead of “can“…

            At any point during the update process, you should be able to access your files

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