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  • Windows 10 version 1803 isn’t compatible with Toshiba solid state drives, either

    Posted on May 14th, 2018 at 07:33 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Last week we learned that Microsoft didn’t bother to test Win10 version 1803 on some of its Surface Pro (2017) laptops — if they had, they would’ve discovered that 1803 crashes the system entirely. Every Surface Pro (2017) with an Intel solid state drive crashes. Every. Single. One.

    Now we’ve received official confirmation that Win10 1803 doesn’t work with Toshiba SSDs, either. Microsoft says they “may experience degraded battery life” but I’m seeing reports that they turn hot as a fiddle in Devil Went Down to Georgia. (That’s my favorite version.)

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    This topic contains 30 replies, has 19 voices, and was last updated by  Kirsty 6 months ago.

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    • #192214 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Last week we learned that Microsoft didn’t bother to test Win10 version 1803 on some of its Surface Pro (2017) laptops — if they had, they would’ve d
      [See the full post at: Windows 10 version 1803 isn’t compatible with Toshiba solid state drives, either]

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    • #192228 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody MVP

      Now i’m convinced that Microsoft should have accepted your advice and skip ver 1803 entirely towards 1809 😀

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    • #192229 Reply

      radosuaf
      AskWoody Lounger

      Oh my goodness… Kind of stressed now, having a Samsung SSD. Hopefully these are not affected.

      MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 1803 64-bit + Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
      • #192280 Reply

        krzemien
        AskWoody Lounger

        Nah, all good here on my 850 Pro

        • #192313 Reply

          BobbyB
          AskWoody Lounger

          @radosuaf & @krzemien yeah got me a little concerned as well, slapped an 500 gb Samsung 850EVO in my laptop last Dec. I already made a conscious decision to skip 1803(4) already on the Home front, couple of machines at work have 1803(4) on “Spinners” and they are stalled with Network problems just not networking together, yet the mixed bag of win’s7 to 10 1607, 1703 1709 are fine with minimal intervention inc 1803(4)’s.
          Might be time to wait and see what 1809(10?) brings with Timeline and a rumoured dark theme for Explorer may be worth a try.If they get this sorted out, plenty of time before then ,should be fixed you would think? Or is this going to be another long running Saga? 😉

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    • #192231 Reply

      John in Mtl
      AskWoody Lounger

      You know, IMHO just because Microsoft no longer does its “job” in a competent manner, they deserve all the bad press and hoardes of unhappy customers wielding insults at them, that they can get.  If there is enough critical mass their stock value will diminish, and this is what needs to happen – hurt them in the pocketbook – for a change in corporate culture to ever be taken seriously.

      This level of incompetence is just insane!

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    • #192240 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’m not so sure it’s just ssd drives. I’ve been trying to push 1803 via WSUS to an older Dell Latitude E5400 with a Toshiba MK1656GSYF drive. This is a 160 gb, 7200 rpm sata hard drive and I received a stop error at about 75% of the installation. I tried 2 times with the same result. The stop error is 0Xc000021a.

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      • #192681 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody Lounger

        @Mr. Natural:

        regarding Stop Error 0xC000021A:
        https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/bug-check-0xc000021a–status-system-process-terminated

        check the 3rd party programs and antivirus/antispyware programs installed on your Dell Latitude laptop as some of them might be incompatible with the v1803 release. also check ALL device drivers (especially graphics/video drivers, network LAN/WLAN drivers, audio/sound card drivers as these need to be updated when necessary).

        Edit: that Dell Latitude E5400 laptop you are using has NOT been tested for Windows 10 compatibility (only Latitude E5430/E5440 & higher were tested for Win10 compatibility, at least with the RTM/1507 & 1511 releases by Dell) – so you are really taking a chance on that old Dell laptop when putting Win10 on there.

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    • #192245 Reply

      Carl D
      AskWoody Lounger

      Not sure if this is related but last week I decided to download the 32bit ISO of Windows 10 1803 and try it out again on my 12 year old HP laptop with a Samsung 840EVO SSD.

      When Windows 10 was first available nearly 3 years ago I tried it on this laptop with the same SSD but I was getting blue screen errors on a regular basis plus Windows kept insisting on downloading a Synaptics touchpad driver that didn’t work for this machine.

      I was pleasantly surprised with 1803 at first on this laptop – it had all the drivers installed except for a driver for a card reader that I don’t use anyway (it didn’t download a Synaptics touchpad driver but the touchpad worked fine with the standard Windows mouse driver) and it ran flawlessly for the short time I used it.

      All seemed OK until I used the laptop on battery power, imagine my surprise when the battery ran down to the low power warning in half the time it takes to run down with my Windows 7/Linux Mint dual boot on the other Samsung 840. And, all was doing was surfing the Internet.

      And, the battery was new just a couple of years back.

      Needless to say, I’ve now put the other SSD back in with 7/Mint.

      • #192247 Reply

        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        I have a Samsung 840EVO as well, no issues, but I have a desktop PC, so no battery :).

        MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 1803 64-bit + Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
    • #192248 Reply

      lanceboil
      AskWoody Lounger

      That is certainly the ultimate level of incompetence on Microsoft’s part by not even testing this version on their OWN hardware.  Microsoft has fallen into a sad state of affairs in my opinion, I no longer have any trust or confidence in them.

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    • #192254 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Wait a sec…

      Let me see if I understand you folks….

      You’re saying that Microsoft tests this stuff before they release it?

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      • #192267 Reply

        WildBill
        AskWoody Lounger

        Wait a sec… Let me see if I understand you folks…. You’re saying that Microsoft tests this stuff before they release it?

        If they still do… they’re doing a p***-poor job of testing! BTW, Woody, loved that video of “The Devil Came Back to Georgia”. I miss Johnny Cash…

        Windows 8.1, 64-bit, now in Group B!
        Wild Bill Rides Again...

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    • #192259 Reply

      anonymous

      For users running the Win 10 1803 version on SSD – should pay high attention
      to the temperature of the SSD drive!
      The higher drain on batteries are caused by faulty control of the SSD.
      Even if that is best noticed when running on battery power, it could very well
      be run in the same faulty way, when running on line power!

      If this is the case, then the temperature will raise and ultimately the life of the
      SSD will be shortened!

      Check the temperature every day and compare result from before upgrading
      to the 1803 version.

      Gordon7.

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      • #192283 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Very good advice. I should’ve mentioned it!

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    • #192270 Reply

      mcbsys
      AskWoody Lounger

      That’s a pretty hot fiddle!

      Remember, Microsoft recommends deferring broad deployment of Windows 10 feature updates for 120 days, or 180 days for critical systems:

      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-deployment-rings-windows-10-updates

      Still 114 days to go until 1803 should be broadly deployed (September 5, 2018).

      • #192302 Reply

        Elly
        AskWoody MVP

        That is just wonderful for organizations with a tech department…let the uninformed, untechy suffer through updates that burn out their battery or ssd drives, with virtually no recourse… and the corporations will be able to wait until the bad update is fixed, and be safe.

        Sorry if I sound bitter… but the people I know work hard for their money, don’t have much disposable income, and need to preserve their computer for their use, not replace it everytime it fails a test patch forced from Microsoft. This isn’t a software issue that can be unwound, but damage to one’s hardware! They need to test… and not on the home and small business market.

        I’m grateful that information is available here on how to delay updates… but Microsoft should step up and return that option to Home and Pro users, that can be easily applied, rather than making them jump through hoops.

        Win 7 Home, 64 bit, Group B

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        • #192383 Reply

          lurks about
          AskWoody Lounger

          I wonder when a class action lawsuit will be filed.

    • #192271 Reply

      Jan K.
      AskWoody Lounger

      I think Microsoft is doing a great job!

      People should just stop using outdated and incompatible hardware!

      .

      There! It is actually possible for me to post a non-snarky post! Wo-hoo!

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      • #192284 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Like, oh, the 256 GB Surface Pro (2017)?

        GD&RVVF*…

         

        *old-timer speak for “grinning, ducking and running very, very fast.”

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        • #192422 Reply

          Jan K.
          AskWoody Lounger

          Yes, exactly!

          The 2017 model has long been replaced by a 2018 model.

          Keep up!

      • #192303 Reply

        anonymous

        There has to be an explanation for this …

        – Perhaps there is not one Surface user in the W10 Insider Program – out of 10 million die-hards.
        – Releasing 1803 was an executive decision – tech concerns (if any) considered an acceptable risk.
        – The Surface Division overwhelmed with way too many issues to deal with yet another annoyance.
        – Partners unable to fix known issues before the release deadline – told to stand down?
        – Reliance on consumers to beta test all new W10 builds – freebie payback
        – Poor work ethic – from highly talented and well paid software engineers, why?

        The ‘see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil’ response is ludicrous.

      • #192343 Reply

        anonymous

        People using outdated and incompatible hardware shouldn’t be FORCED into updating.

        • #192358 Reply

          Elly
          AskWoody MVP

          At the very least they shouldn’t be pre-maturely made to be outdated for styling changes…

          Hmm… 3-D was being promoted in a recent W10 ad I saw. I’d say it is useful in the medical field. But should my otherwise useful computer be made obsolete at the whim of the company promoting such a feature? It should be ‘in addition to’… not ‘instead of’…

          There does need to be industry standards for hardware… but this corporate need to artificially age out or even block newer hardware that otherwise is compatible, punishes their once loyal and happy customers…

          Look! More money is being made by Microsoft… what Nadella Satya is doing is working!… but they are doing it by destroying the usefulness of their older products… Not a business model that will see my money spent in their direction again.

          Win 7 Home, 64 bit, Group B

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    • #192281 Reply

      anonymous

      Woody, Did you just coin a new phrase? Bugs as a Service?  BaaS

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    • #192297 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Lounger

      When I was a child, slapstick comedy was at its peak: Laurel and Hardy, The Three Stooges, the Marx Brothers, and more. Now I have a little collection of classics of that genre on DVD, that I watch from time to time.

      But, thanks to the news of MS by way of Woody’s, I get more of the same satisfaction just by reading some of these pages. Thanks MS people, you are priceless!

       

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    • #192325 Reply

      Philomene123
      AskWoody Lounger

      What a nightmare.

      I am lucky to have at least one machine with w10 pro, so the update is defered for 6 months. I really hope MS won’t bypass… My daughter has the order to NEVER CHECK if any update is available nor on pc nor on laptop. Just in case. BUT her laptop is on family edition. I heard that the best option was a metered connection. Which I did. But I don’t trust MS.  And now, with the SSD issues, I am a bit worried…Both machines have Kingston ssd. Any feedback about that brand and 1803?

      I am also worried, a friend of mine is ‘upgrading’ my old asus g74 sx, which worked perfectly with 1703. I bought new alim, new battery, new memory. So I would be VERY angry if  something goes wrong  because MS are so incompetent… Please, wake up us someone, we are probably dreaming.  How can all this is possible?

    • #192374 Reply

      anonymous

      I have a Toshiba XG5 Series on a desktop.   Does this issues effect me too?

    • #192385 Reply

      lurks about
      AskWoody Lounger

      A better question might be, what SSDs does 1803 work correctly with?

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    • #192401 Reply

      anonymous

      This just doesn’t make any sense. Why are they changing something so fundamental in the first place?
      SSDs are old tech. I literally just used the default driver from Windows 7, as they all work pretty much the same. There should just be no reason for this to ever be a problem.

    • #192857 Reply

      Kirsty
      AskWoody MVP

      Rollout of Windows 10 April Update Halted for Devices With Intel & Toshiba SSDs
      By Catalin Cimpanu | May 16, 2018

       
      Microsoft has halted the deployment of the Windows 10 April 2018 Update for computers using certain types of Intel and Toshiba solid state drives (SSDs).

      The Redmond-based OS maker took this decision following multiple user reports about the Windows 10 April 2018 Update not working properly…

      Microsoft did not provide an estimated deadline for when it would fix the issue with Intel SSDs but said it expects to have a solution for devices using Toshiba SSDs in early June.

       
      Read the full article here

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