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  • There’s a reason why your Win10 1803 machine hasn’t been pushed onto 1809

    Posted on April 9th, 2019 at 12:59 woody Comment on the AskWoody Lounge

    Microsoft gave up.

    The 1803-to-1809 push pace has gone from slow to glacial.

    Gregg Keizer has the details on Computerworld:

    According to AdDuplex, … Windows 10 1809 powered just 26% of surveyed Windows 10 systems as of March 26. The gain from February to March, only 5 percentage points, was about half the increase from January to February, illustrating the slowing of 1809’s adoption.

    I don’t trust AdDuplex’s numbers, of course, but the trend is unmistakable. Microsoft’s pulling back on 1809.

    I would submit that, with the redirection of the Windows Insider Release Preview Ring — used to be Win10 1809 cumulative update previews and now it’s Win10 1903 beta build — we’re seeing a full-on retreat. I fully expect that Win10 1909 will be nothing more than “Win10 1903 Service Pack 1/2” in fact, if not in name.

    Which is great. Perhaps Microsoft is pulling back from its insane twice-a-year Windows update pace.

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     EP 1 week, 4 days ago.

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    • #350200 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Microsoft gave up. The 1803-to-1809 push pace has gone from slow to glacial. Gregg Keizer has the details on Computerworld: According to AdDuplex, …
      [See the full post at: There’s a reason why your Win10 1803 machine hasn’t been pushed onto 1809]

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    • #350255 Reply

      anonymous

      Am I mistaken, or isn’t 1809 the base for LTSC?

      If so, how is this going to affect LTSC and server base?

      • #350307 Reply

        cogx
        AskWoody Lounger

        Well, yeah, they are going to have to continue fixing the bugs on this branch, given that it has 10 years of support as far as Server 2019 and LTSC go.  We might want to think of 1809 as a “throw away” version, but they have to maintain the source for a long, long time, regardless.

        In reality, the problems with 1809 are just a symptom of the far, FAR too rapid pace they have been on with modifying Windows code – with not enough (any?) testing.  1809 has just sort of become a symbol of enough is enough.

      • #350667 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        it won’t affect the LTSB/LTSC folks that much since they can only upgrade to LTSC 2019 (v1809) thru installation media and will not be “forced” into upgrading, meaning they can upgrade anytime they want (yes, even postpone upgrading indefinitely since feature updates are never offered to LTSB/LTSC users)

    • #350263 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      A few users are reporting that 1903 became available for non-Insiders today, presumably for seekers.

      Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Sucker More intrepid Crazy/ignorant Toxic drinker Saluted blockhead "Finger sharpener" (Group ASAP) WX1903

      • #350278 Reply

        anonymous

        Where are you seeing this?

      • #350425 Reply

        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        Pics or didn’t happen :). That would be quite surprising to say the least.

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        • #350427 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          I think it didn’t happen. I originally thought there was more than one claimant.

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          • #350577 Reply

            b
            AskWoody Plus

            He now claims it was offered but failed to install. (I think because he switched off Insider.)

            (Apologies for distraction; the range of rings/situations became confusing.)

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      • #350447 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        We’ve had one claimant here.

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        • #350490 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          Was that definitely via a non-Insider Windows Update check? (Doesn’t appear to say so.)

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    • #350270 Reply

      zero2dash
      AskWoody Lounger

      My question is, what does this do for us using deferrals? What flavor of medicine are they going to attempt to serve us? I’d rather go from 1803 to 1809, but if they’re pulling 1809… now what? I don’t want 1903, it’s not ready and it won’t be for probably another 4+ months which is what my deferrals are set as.

      • #350271 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        I don’t think they are pulling it.
        I think they are just not PUSHING it.

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        • #350272 Reply

          zero2dash
          AskWoody Lounger

          I really, REALLY hope so. (Maybe I’m giving them too much rope.)

    • #350405 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody_MVP

      Putting Win 10 v1903 on VM seems a prudent way to get to know it before “taking the plunge” with important hardware. I can report that it works reasonably well and an in-place upgrade from v1809 went surprisingly smoothly. I can’t say anything about how or where to get the data, except that I got it legally and properly, so please don’t ask.

      Win 10 v1809 seems to have somehow gotten a bad name – people are actively avoiding it without strong reason, IMO. From someone who has been using it every day, I can say that it’s actually not been bad at all for professional use (suitably tweaked).

      I have a hunch an in-place upgrade from an older version of Win 10 might not be as easy or as tidy as when starting with the immediate predecessor version in good working order. But perhaps those who choose to skip versions are anticipating a full, clean installation in the future. That’s also not a bad way to go.

      -Noel

      • #350489 Reply

        Mark
        AskWoody Plus

        Noel, you’d be surprised what upgrading from an older version to newer version can do.  We did two different types of upgrades.  One group from v1511 LTSB to v1709 and another group from v1607 to v1709.  I was surprised at how well it went.  The big thing was that on some of the PCs they had stopped taking patches and after the upgrade they started working like a new machine.
        Our next upgrade will most likely be all the boxes upgraded to v1809, but that won’t be for several more months.  We have to make sure everything is stable on our reference machines first.

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v1709, Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Windows Vista Home Premium x64
        • #350668 Reply

          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          um Mark, there was no LTSB for v1511 – only v1507 had LTSB before v1607 came out in LTSB form

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             EP.
    • #350410 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP

      Do not push a 30-month servicing version, in a favor of 18-month servicing version without SAC-T

      technicalities 🙂

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