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      Chredge is now available to Windows 10 v1903 and v1909 users per MS support article 4541302

      1903 users will need at least the KB4517389 update in order to receive Chredge thru WU

      AskWoody Lounger

      Running fine with 1909 but here is how I got there.

      When I was running 1809 and 1903  back in Oct 2019 I got the issues with the Start menu and Windows Search in the taskbar for some PC’s not working.  Here is what I did to get buy it and now all MS updates moving forward have not reproduced the problem.  I am however using WSUS to control what updates my PC’s get but you can block certain updates in Win10 manually as well.

      On Win10 1809 KB4511553 Breaks it. If you don’t see this KB uninstall your newest one so it goes back and shows it then you can uninstall it as well.
      On Win10 1903 KB4517389 and KB4515384 breaks the search. Simply removing them gets it working again.

      Then like I said I blocked them and moved forward with MS updates.  I have now upgraded most all my 30 computers to Win10 1909 with out issues and I do have a very mix3ed environment.


      Hope this helps?

      AskWoody Plus

      Don’t know why but I can’t get either my production or test machines to update past 18362.418? Windows Update says I’m current..

      Hi RetiredGeek:

      Just an FYI that my Win 10 Pro v1903 OS was updated from Build 18362.418 to 18362.476 today and my missing Windows Update settings at Settings | Update & Security | Windows Update | Advanced Options | Choose When Updates Are Installed have reappeared. As expected, and per my previous comment in post # 2002647, Build 18362.476 (KB4524570) was installed ~ 30 days after its initial release. I’m not sure why, but the optional KB4522355 released on 24-Oct-2019 that included the initial bug fix for this problem was never detected by any of my manual Windows Update checks:

      • 2019-10 KB4517389 (OS Build 18362.418, released 08-Oct-2019) installed 07-Nov-2019
      • 2019-10 KB4522355 (OS Build 18362.449, released 24-Oct-2019) skipped by WU (optional update with initial bug fix)
      • 2019-11 KB4524570 (OS Build 18362.476, released 12-Nov-2019) installed 12-Dec-2019

      A few weeks ago I ran regedit to check the registry key at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings and confirmed that the value for “DeferQualityUpdatesPeriodInDays” had been previously set to “30” (see attached image), so rather than set this value back to “0” I just waited the 30 days until KB4524570 was delivered by Windows Update.
      Dell Inspiron 5584, 64-bit Win 10 Pro 1903 Build 18362.476

      AskWoody MVP

      As we don’t know your PC particulars/specs, a quick search (and guess) came up with:
      this some are reporting that removing KB4517389 fixes the issue.

      | Quality over Quantity |
      AskWoody Plus

      I have a question about deferred/paused updates and getting the October updates. I have Win 10 Pro v 1903, and I have deferred regular updates for 35 days through group policy, and feature updates for 365 days.

      For the Oct 8/9 updates, that means that they should start appearing today, Nov 12. Right now in wushowhide I see the following:


      The servicing stack KB4521863 is not showing there.

      When I checked the Windows Update screen within Win 10 I see this :


      I don’t think I’ve actually ever seen that screen saying to check for updates before. It generally will list whatever is in wushowhide when it is time to get them. I wonder nowif I should go ahead and check for updates – since it seems that only the ones shown in wushowhide should then appear for downloading – or should I wait till those updates show up in the Windows Update screen on their own?

      I am looking for the October updates listed – not any newer ones. Those should be safe at this point, I believe, but don’t want to trigger something else by actually clicking on “check for updates” there.

      I’m also thinking that I should change that deferral time since I keep running into issues where the older ones defer till a date close to or after the newer ones and I am never sure which ones I may accidentally “stumble into.”

      Thanks for the help!

      AskWoody Plus

      Hi RetiredGeek:

      I’m still on Build 18362.418 (rel. 08-Oct-2019) as well, and you might be experiencing the same glitch as me. Shortly after my August 2019 Patch Tuesday delivered KB4512508 (OS Build 18362.295, rel. 13-Aug-2019) I changed the advanced Windows Update option (Settings | Update & Security | Windows Update | Advanced Options | Choose When Updates Are Installed) to defer “Quality updates that include security updates” to 30 days. I didn’t realize there was a known bug that would cause those advanced Windows Updates settings to disappear as soon as I entered non-zero numbers, and since August 2019 Windows Update has continued to honour that deferral setting (even if I click “Check for Updates” to run a manual update) and I’m currently stuck waiting 30 days for new cumulative quality updates to be delivered. For example, my Windows Update history shows my last 3 cumulative updates were delivered approx. 30 days after their official release date:

      • 2019-09 KB4515384 (OS Build 18362.356, rel. 10-Sep-2019) installed 10-Oct-2019
      • 2019-09 KB4524147 (OS Build 18362.388, rel. 03-Oct-2019) installed 03-Nov-2019
      • 2019-10 KB4517389 (OS Build 18362.418, rel. 08-Oct-2019) installed 07-Nov-2019

      I could probably fix this with the Group Policy Editor [Computer Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Windows Update | Windows Update for Business | Select When Quality Updates are Received (my setting currently states “Not Configured“) followed by a Check for Updates] as described in the TenForums thread The Strange Case of the Missing Pause Feature Update Setting but I’ve decided to wait another two weeks until the bug fix in KB4522355 (OS Build 18362.449, released 24-Oct-2019) comes through on it’s own.
      Dell Inspiron 5584, 64-bit Win 10 Pro 1903 Build 18362.418

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      KB4517389 is the Oct CU. I have installed it without a problem.
      And the Master Patch List says install by both updates.
      I’d give it a try.

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      AskWoody Plus

      Can you just clarify for me – are these 2 now safe to install for Win 10 v 1903?

      • KB4524100
      • KB4517389

      The have just shown up in WUSHOWHIDE and I thought they were safe to leave there and eventually install – but when I search for those here,  it seems that there may still be issues?

      Shall I hide them and wait for the Nov. updates, or go ahead and let them show up in Windows Update and install them now?


      • This reply was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by LHiggins.

      Yes, install the Patch Tues. CU KB4517389

      AskWoody Plus

      I guess I’m being *really* slow!….

      So are you saying to install the Oct 8 Cumulative update KB4517389 and NOT install the Oct 3 Cumulative update KB4524157??

      Sorry to be so dense about this one…my brain just won’t grok it!  🙂


      AskWoody Plus

      After reading thru your links i downloaded wushowhide and it KB4517389 and the malicious software tool. Why would they show up there and not in Window Update? in any event they both downloaded and installed. I understand that i should use metered connection before checking for updates. this will show the updates but not automatically install?  Is this  correct?

      I was not able to find the exact path for changing the settings in gpedit, could you please provide it? Also, the registry path you reference above.

      Thanks PKCano for your patience. This is the first time I have had the occasion to pause/defer updates and resume. Having trouble understanding the process.

      Win 10 Pro v.20h2

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      AskWoody Plus

      OK – for us slow learners with Win 10 1903, from the CW article:

      “Most users running Win10 version 1903 will want to install the first (but not the second) October cumulative update.”

      So do you mean the Oct 3 Cumulative update KB4524157 or the Oct 8 Cumulative update KB4517389 (from Susan’s list)? I don’t see any other October Cumulative updates on that list, and with so many to watch out for, I’m losing track – LOL!

      Which should be installed – or not?


      • This reply was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by LHiggins.
      AskWoody Plus

      I took the plunge two months ago on Win10 v1903 build 18362.267, and two days ago updated to Build 18362.418 via CU KB4517389 with SSU KB4521863. And also let .Net Framework update because i’ve had no problems with .Net yet.

      I use WuMgr to prune updates if needed, per Susan Bradley’s patchwatch, and Winaero Tweaker to block updates until they are “ready”, and to tweak some Windows settings.

      I then locked down my computers again from WU to prevent v1909 auto-installing until the pros give it a thumbsup. Using Tylenol is good while doing Windows Updates.

      Win10 Pro 20H2,backups with Macrium Reflect home edition
      AskWoody Plus

      The string wasn’t that long after all. My CU (KB4517389) and .NET (KB4524100) updates arrived by themselves last night (29 Oct) and announced that a restart was needed, which I did, bringing winver up to Build 18362.418.

      Of course, MS doesn’t make it simple: I have another .NET update shown (KB4522741) as “pending download” with a “Download” button ready to push AND the Optional updates available band (CU, KB4522355) that I do not intend to touch as per AskWoody constant reminders.

      I assume my next move is to just wait until the new .NET update downloads by itself while the Optional CU update just sits there inactive, saving my pauses until just before update Tuesday (Nov 5 or 12?) and the usual AskWoody warning notice so I get the full 35-day benefit.

      Is my assumption correct?


      I’m a one-man IT department for a museum. We have a classroom, and we recently purchased 40 Dell Latitude 5590’s for school tours and guests to use. Got through two months of updates without a hitch. Then KB4517389 hit and random units are black screening upon boot – they are running, but only pure white graphics show at all (Dell logo for example), and only as a barely visible less-black graphic. Not usable at all. Digging through old cables for a VGA to find if the outboard works, so I can remove the KB update and/or update the driver. I noted that those that did not “glitch” are swallowing KB4522355, the follow up cumulative, and seem ok. Looking in the installed updates, Microsoft installed the Intel lang with the second September update. Thanks Woody and everyone who contributes here for some suggestions.

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