ISSUE 18.40 • 2021-10-18 PUBLIC DEFENDER By Brian Livingston Microsoft has published a new support document revealing a one-line entry anyone can add
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A single Registry line enables Windows 11 without TPM 2.0
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Brian, Good sleuthing! Looking forward to seeing you in the next Ethan Hunt or Jason Bourne movie, albeit absent any amnesia.
You’ve confirmed what we have all suspected for months, ever since the “leaked” Windows 11 and subsequent Microsoft pronouncements. The US NIST, primarily but not only on behalf of DoD, has had a very heavy hand in mandating the Windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirement. The red line CPU requirement still has not been explained clearly, and I want my 16-core Xeon tower with TPM 2.0 to run Windows 11 some day.
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Contrary to what is implied in this article, using the Secure Hash Algorithm 2, or SHA-2, these days is a requirement not only of government departments and agencies, but also of many universities and research labs, if one needs to login remotely to one of their computers. It is, for those who work remotely, in particular, something that is of enough importance to be really bothered about the inability to use it.
“Even Microsoft executives themselves can’t be certain what they’ll do in the years to come.”
The future may not be guaranteed to us, who may not even know the day, nor the hour of our final passing, but we have been endowed by evolution — or by God if you prefer — with brains that let us make reasonable guesses and plan accordingly. By being this unpredictable and variable in their plans, like the “donna” that is so “móbile” in Verdi’s opera Rigoletto, the brains at Redmond pose some troubling questions for us regarding their present condition.
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Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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You may still run afoul of other requirements, such as a 1GHz dual-core 64-bit CPU or better, 4GB of RAM, 64GB of disk storage, and a Secure Boot–capable UEFI (formerly known as BIOS). Since this whole procedure is unsupported, you’re on your own if it doesn’t work.
It was much simpler for me to just mount the Win11_English_x64.iso file I got from Download Windows 11 and then copy all its files to the hard disk so that I could edit appraiser.dll located in the sources folder using Notepad++ to preserve all the binary bytes, file length and structure. I just changed TRUE to FALS to suit me as shown in this snippet:
[DT_ANY_SVH_BlockingSV] T:DT_ALL_CCO_DualCoreBlockingSV=TRUE T:DT_ALL_MEM_MemoryBlockingSV=TRUE T:DT_ALL_CPS_CpuSpeedBlockingSV=TRUE T:DT_ALL_SDS_SystemDiskSizeBlockingSV=TRUE T:DT_ALL_UEF_UefiSecureBootBlockingSV=FALS T:DT_ALL_SMO_SModeStateBlockingSV=TRUE T:DT_ALL_TPM_TpmVersionBlockingSVSetup=FALS T:DT_ALL_CFM_CpuFmsBlockingSVSetup=FALS
and then resaved appraiser.dll. Then just run setup.exe to update. No idea if there are problems using this to clean install on a blank disk. See my post on “Unblocking Windows 11 Update“.
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Opps… My mistake, that should have been appraiserres.dll in the sources directory which is the file with the INI data for the appraiser. It is so much harder to catch one’s own mistakes…
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Contrary to what is implied in this article, using the Secure Hash Algorithm 2, or SHA-2, these days is a requirement not only of government departments and agencies, but also of many universities and research labs, if one needs to login remotely to one of their computers. It is, for those who work remotely, in particular, something that is of enough importance to be really bothered about the inability to use it.
“Even Microsoft executives themselves can’t be certain what they’ll do in the years to come.”
Enforcing what is required by user entities is not Microsoft’s responsibility. It has provided the capabilities to meet them but it should not be enforcing them on every user who wants/needs to run Windows 11 just because some customers insist on using them.
Yes, there are apparently a number of ways to get around TPM/Secure Boot/CPU vintage with various registry settings. However, these are unsupported hacks and Microsoft has said that machines that have Windows 11 installed through their use may suddenly find themselves without patches with no notice and no recourse save reinstalling Windows 10, Linux or being scrapped. Windows 11 should have a supported way of installing itself on machines that don’t meet TPM/Secure Boot/CPU vintage diktats.
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Actually you don’t need Windows 11 to satisfy any of those needs. Windows 10 already can do all of that. In particular, see “Enable virtualization-based protection of code integrity“. Also go into Device security in Windows Security and make sure everything is turned on. All Windows 11 does is to turn all those settings on by default but it does not prevent you from turning them off again especially if it’s slowing down your PC because you don’t have the latest and greatest eighth generation CPU .
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I’m going to be alternative viewpoint here: If you don’t have the hardware needed in order to have the security goodness of virtualization, protection of credentials and what not, why do you need to install Windows 11?
You want the center menu?
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Money, money, money… You mean like Great Britain’s National Health Service still running on Windows 95 on their antiquated PCs?
More than two years ago the NHS was running Windows XP on just 0.16% of their computers:
NHS still running outdated Windows XP on over 2,000 computers
Are they really still running Windows 95 on any?
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If you don’t have the hardware needed in order to have the security goodness of virtualization, protection of credentials and what not, why do you need to install Windows 11?
I don’t need the security goodness of virtualization, protection of credentials or drive encryption. My 2013 MB/CPU can run VBS, but I don’t have a need. I had two reasons to install Windows 11; to see if it was possible (I had a strong suspicion that it was) and to see if it was better or worse than Windows 10 (which I much prefer over any previous version of Windows). So far, it seems to be an improvement; not huge, but noticeable.
You want the center menu?
Not at all, but I was counting on the folks at StartIsBack to have something ready at RTM, and StartAllBack was there.
It’s rather like Windows Update for me. I have no reason to pause or otherwise hinder any update other than drivers. I have a library of drive images at the ready should something go south, but so far, so good, even with Windows 11. It’s an upgrade.
Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.-
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Nearly 20 years ago, computer and software research and development. We bought PCs made by our own company but those replaced were kept and handed down to junior colleagues or used as servers or test equipment. There was no wholesale replacement pipeline mentality when I worked there. I cannot imagine any large organization able to afford to replace everything at once especially since new software would also be required as well as training and lots of IT work. Much better to airgap the PC network, block all cell phone signals and lockdown Wi-Fi traffic to them.
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Originally, you could have made your made hardware able to run Windows 11 a requirement in your requisition and you would have been assured of getting that hardware compliance. However since Microsoft downgraded that minimum CPU requirement it’s no longer true.
How long ago were the hardware requirements for Windows 11 published officially by Microsoft? Even so, was there really an option to buy “Windows 11-proof” computers before pretty much all new machines simply came Windows 11-compliant? It seems that by and large, computers were not Windows-11 compatible (CPU vintage being a big factor) and then they were. I am talking about business/corporate-grade machines, not the cheapest-price wins consumer ones at the big box stores.
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I’m going to be alternative viewpoint here: If you don’t have the hardware needed in order to have the security goodness of virtualization, protection of credentials and what not, why do you need to install Windows 11?
You want the center menu?
Lord, NO!!!! 🙂 The only reason I want to run Windows 11 at all, ever, is wanting to have a supported version of Windows on October 115th, 2025.
Were it not for that, I would not bother with it all as there is nothing in it that’s better than Windows 10, dreamy, billowy ads notwithstanding.
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That’s why we can get good deals on gently used refurbs. All of those computers come off leases.
Indeed! And that’s where my clients will be shopping in a year or so when the refurbs start shipping with Windows 11 Pro vice Windows 10 Pro.
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MHCLV941 wrote: A number of folks here have already proven that Windows 11 runs on older CPUs
They run unprotected and vulnerable. Those Windows 11 PCs will be attacked at no time.
Just like we were running Windows 10 “unprotected and vulnerable”, Windows 8.1 “unprotected and vulnerable”, Windows 8 “unprotected and vulnerable”, Windows 7 “unprotected and vulnerable”, Windows XP “unprotected and vulnerable”, etc. etc. What you actually typed, “… attacked at no time“, is likely more accurate than you intended, no doubt.
Windows 11 is an upgrade to Windows 10; they renamed it because of the fancy new UI. Under the hood, it’s just an upgrade. By “requiring” (which has, so far, proven to be a policy statement, not an actual requirement) Secure Boot and TPM2, they did not open a huge backdoor into the OS.
Those of us running Windows 11 on unsupported hardware are no less protected now that we were running Windows 10 on the same hardware.
FUD, FUD, FUD and more FUD.
Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
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If you proceed with installing Windows 11, your PC will no longer be supported and won’t be entitled to receive updates.
Entitled? And yet my test system with its elderly Core 2 DUO processor did in fact get updated to Windows 11 Version 21H2 (OS Build 22000.258). See the results here. So what actually happens is up to the whims of Microsoft. Maybe they will force all programs to run in a 64-bit virtual sandbox in the future which the Core 2 DUO processor cannot do. For now it works. I am not sure what Microsoft implies by “your PC will no longer be supported” other than by the manufacturer providing firmware or new drivers which they already do not do for my vintage system. That is an empty threat. I think all Microsoft is saying is that they will not bother to test their changes on older hardware anymore and so will not be responsible if anything breaks. That does not seam any different from what they are already doing. Just another empty threat.
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There is a critical distinction that you miss.
Backatcha, @MHCLV941. There is a critical distinction that you seem to have overlooked. Windows 10 suggested Secure Boot and Trusted Platform Module use; it just didn’t require it. The Windows 11 installation wrapper is coded to check and deny upgrade to PC’s that don’t have Secure Boot and Trusted Platform Module up and running. Did you not read Brian Livingston’s article?
Install.wim, the file that is the reality of Windows 11, works quite readily with the Windows 10 installation wrapper. I could have been protected with Windows 10, but it was only a suggestion, not a requirement. I, along with quite a few others, did not follow the suggestions, and were running unprotected. Miraculously, my PC has survived!
I have not run a Microsoft Supported version of Windows since 98. I’ve sliced, diced and reassembled Windows to suit my own needs and requirements for a stable, secure and more efficient operating system. The only malware infection I ever encountered was in Windows 95 via a floppy disk given to me by an IT professional, who was very apologetic.
Windows 11 is not a new OS, it a Windows 10 minor upgrade with a UI revision that sucks out loud. StartAllBack completely eliminates that obnoxious UI, and my Windows 11 looks and acts very, very much like Windows 10 with StartIsBack++. See the screenshots in this post.
I don’t feel any need for additional security when I am behind a hardware firewall and invisible to the internet. I don’t click on links in email or open unexpected attachments in email. I never click on an ad. And I have a library of drive images stored offline. I don’t feel the least bit unprotected.
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There is a critical distinction that you miss.
Backatcha, @MHCLV941. There is a critical distinction that you seem to have overlooked. Windows 10 suggested Secure Boot and Trusted Platform Module use; it just didn’t require it. The Windows 11 installation wrapper is coded to check and deny upgrade to PC’s that don’t have Secure Boot and Trusted Platform Module up and running. Did you not read Brian Livingston’s article?
Install.wim, the file that is the reality of Windows 11, works quite readily with the Windows 10 installation wrapper. I could have been protected with Windows 10, but it was only a suggestion, not a requirement. I, along with quite a few others, did not follow the suggestions, and were running unprotected. Miraculously, my PC has survived!
I have not run a Microsoft Supported version of Windows since 98. I’ve sliced, diced and reassembled Windows to suit my own needs and requirements for a stable, secure and more efficient operating system. The only malware infection I ever encountered was in Windows 95 via a floppy disk given to me by an IT professional, who was very apologetic.
Windows 11 is not a new OS, it a Windows 10 minor upgrade with a UI revision that sucks out loud. StartAllBack completely eliminates that obnoxious UI, and my Windows 11 looks and acts very, very much like Windows 10 with StartIsBack++. See the screenshots in this post.
I don’t feel any need for additional security when I am behind a hardware firewall and invisible to the internet. I don’t click on links in email or open unexpected attachments in email. I never click on an ad. And I have a library of drive images stored offline. I don’t feel the least bit unprotected.
Actually, I did. I am not remotely as dismissive of the distinction between Windows 10 and 11 with respect to TPM as you are. As for your penchant for “FrankenWindows”, what you do in the privacy of your computer is no one’s business but your own. Have fun with it. And UI may – or may not – do the same thing with a computer or two at home.
However, I also have several small clients who are faced with having to replace all their computers between now and October 2025 in order to continue running on a supported version of Windows. I cannot in good conscience advise them to do the same thing with machines that are critical to the conduct of their businesses.
We do agree on one thing: Microsoft clearly learned nothing from the Windows 8 interface debacle. The Windows 11 interface royally sucks!!
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Isolate the machines from the Internet.
No different than doing what we should be doing for those Win7’s. If a business depends on something that has to run on unsupported “fill in the blank” then protect it as best as you can.
With my deepest respects to all, I feel the tone in this thread is raising up a tad high. Let’s remember that we’re all here to help each other and not to raise our blood pressure.
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That’s still a used computer. And all of this ransomware is just proving that “corporate grade” isn’t so good anymore. See my — https://www.computerworld.com/article/3637054/just-who-is-windows-11-for-anyway.html
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TPM 2.0 Compliance for Windows
Windows for desktop editions (Home, Pro, Enterprise, and Education)
- Since July 28, 2016, all new device models, lines, or series (or if you’re updating the hardware configuration of an existing model, line, or series with a major update, such as CPU, graphic cards) must implement and enable by default TPM 2.0 (details in section 3.7 of the Minimum hardware requirements page). The requirement to enable TPM 2.0 only applies to the manufacturing of new devices. For TPM recommendations for specific Windows features, see TPM and Windows Features.”
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/tpm/tpm-recommendations
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See the above. For example LSASS credential dumping – credential guard which needs TPM 2.0 would help shut that down.
This will be a long process, make no mistake. But Windows 11 may be a marketing gimmick to enforce hardware mandates, but that’s the point, it’s there to enforce hardware mandates.
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Here’s a slightly different view supporting MHCLV941 …
Like many of you, I’m also system builder. I build machines using high quality components with a focus on stability and endurance (business class). As I look around my home office/test lab, I see 3 full tower desktop systems, 2 file servers, 2 laptops, and 3 smaller workstations.
I begin the replacement cycle as hardware approaches 8,000 “power on” hours and not because it’s broken or that I want/need the latest and greatest. The oldest hardware I have can browse the Internet and retrieve email just as well as the newest (despite lack of TPM and UEFI/Secure Boot).
In the past, I’ve generally given retired computers to family, friends, neighbors or donated them to NGOs/NPOs, community/senior centers, etc. I’m sure a lot of you do the same.
On Oct 14, 2025 (Win 10 EOL), I’ll still have very capable hardware that I would prefer to give-away/donate rather than send to the landfill (or toxic recycling facilities). Some of you will too.
It will be argued that the hardware is insecure. I’ll argue that in the intended 2nd life, this isn’t a priority. Any functional computers, especially reliable ones, are better than none at all in some use cases. Grandma cares about her sewing group on “the Facebook”, not about VBS. I don’t think she’s worried about state sponsored attacks. Neither is the disadvantaged child down the street and poorly funded community center a few blocks over.
Prior to Oct 14, 2025, millions of computers will be discarded by both home and business users in preparation for EOL. Sadly, on Oct 14, 2025, millions of people will be left stranded with unsupported hardware that they can’t afford to replace. I call this the “digital divide tsunami”.
I know I’m painting an ugly picture, but Microsoft provided the paint.
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I know I’m painting an ugly picture, but Microsoft provided the paint.
And the paintbrush, drop cloth and bucket.
Or folks will continue running Windows 10. I suspect the number of Windows 10 machines that remain in operation long past the 2025 witching hour will far outnumber those that lingered on Windows 7 or XP. That will surely contribute to a more cyber-secure world much more than relaxing the hardware diktats of Windows 11!
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Also … let’s talk some more about the refurb/off-lease marketplace. Well, it’s pretty sizeable in my area among seniors who are on fixed incomes. From what I’ve observed, the computers sold to seniors consist of ancient, business class Dell and HP hardware.
The use case here doesn’t demand performance; fixed income does require cheap. Because of fiscal constraints, seniors won’t replace what they have until some critical component fails that can’t be replaced cheaply or for free by someone who volunteers to help. If it ain’t broke ….
What happens to these folks in 2025? I support your suspicions.
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Case in point, exactly what I have: recycled business class HP hardware built circa 2008 shipped with 64-bit Windows 7 Pro, purchased for a song from eBay in 2015 with the intent of running the free upgrade to Windows 10. Absolutely no reason to upgrade despite what may be on Microsoft’s and the manufacturer’s wish list.
What to do… I also still have two mothballed self built 32-bit dual processor systems running Windows 2000 Pro that hackers have by now forgotten how to break into that I could fire up. Or maybe I’ll go back and put Windows NT 3.51 on them and see what happens 🙂 Smaller and smaller OS sizes as you go back in time presenting ever smaller attack surfaces. Let’s see, was it about 20 floppies to install Windows 3 on a 20MB disk? Or maybe an Amiga 3000 running BSD 4? There is security in obscurity… The old becomes new again!
The local library has an interesting take on security. When they turn their systems on in the morning the specialized boot software replaces the system image from secure storage so nothing survives a reboot. A bit like a virtual machine these days. Yeah, they also use recycled business class HP hardware.
Oh, BTW, those supply chain issues have yet to run their course–so right now it is very unlikely that there will be any wholesale PC upgrades in the immediate future. And those billion devices Microsoft claims running Windows 10? Are they all PCs? What about TV, appliances, Amazon Echo, self checkout in stores, ATMs, gas station pumps and all other internet facing devices? Oh yeah, default passwords! TPM 2.0, huh? No UEFI! Such a target rich environment… Do we have to replace everything? Or just the most expensive things? I wonder how many script kiddies COVID-19 spawned with no school or jobs to distract them? Or perhaps it is just the declining sales of PCs that Microsoft and the manufacturers are trying to address under the guise of security? What issues is the release of Windows 11 really supposed to address?
Here is my take on the above discussion. Make the effort to turn on the security you do have in Windows Security’s Device security section related to TPM and UEFI. If the system has a socket but the TPM is missing get one or have it installed when prices return to normal. Don’t sweat Windows 11. It is new, raw and full of defects yet to be discovered. Give it a year for everything to shake out before you go installing it if windows update lets you do so. If you want to play with it, install it by hook or crook somewhere safe and sane and go for it. If you must buy new hardware make sure it is a Chromebook, a Mac, an iPad, or at least 8th gen Intel or AMD running Windows 11 but consider downgrading to Windows 10. Otherwise wait for the 8th gen hardware to show up in the recycled section for a song on eBay 5 years from now. Then just sit back and watch the world spin and the fur fly…
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Carl wrote:
” Sadly, on Oct 14, 2025, millions of people will be left stranded with unsupported hardware that they can’t afford to replace. ”
The same has been said of Windows 7, yet millions of people with older computers continue using Windows 7 and 8.
When I refurbish an old Core2Duo or early Core I-3 / I-5 PC I give the user an option of continuing with Windows 7 or updating to 10. If they choose Win 7 the PC will be kitted out with Avast Free anti-virus and its accompanying Safe Browser, LastPass password manager, MalwareBytes Free version, and a portable hard drive. They are prompted to connect the portable drive and do regular backups, then unplug it until next time (daily or weekly, their choice). This provides a relatively safe setup for everyday use that most older people can happily use. Another option is the newer Brave browser if the user is seeking a little more privacy on the internet (not much more, but a little).
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See the above. For example LSASS credential dumping – credential guard which needs TPM 2.0 would help shut that down.
This will be a long process, make no mistake. But Windows 11 may be a marketing gimmick to enforce hardware mandates, but that’s the point, it’s there to enforce hardware mandates.
Indeed it will and I have no issue with requiring NEW computers to jump through all the Windows 11 diktats.
My problem is Microsoft’s declaring that all computers simply because they are “old” no longer worthy of support and those who own them can replace them or be abandoned on an arbitrary date.
I’m not suggesting that Microsoft should support Windows 10 “forever”(*). Windows 11 does run on non-compliant hardware. And the great majority of those machines are going to still be productive use after Microsoft’s “drop dead” date. How is ensuring that those machines will be running on unsupported Windows 10 contribute more to the overall state of cybersecurity than those same machines running Windows 11 even without the full array of hardware needed for full Windows 11 compliance?
(*) That said, Microsoft has again managed to cripple a heretofore very flexible interface for no apparent good reason. In this sense, I do wish Windows 10 would be around forever.
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