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      • #2276205 Reply
        Tracey Capen
        AskWoody MVP

        PATCHING By @PKCano For most PC users, the basic task of keeping Windows up to date involves a bewildering pantheon of terms. To make the process of p
        [See the full post at: A Win10 guide for Windows Update settings]

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      • #2276301 Reply
        tcc089
        AskWoody Plus

        Hi @PKCano.  Thanks for a great detailed article in today’s Ask Woody Newsletter.  I have a question, if I may:

        Under the Section For Win 10 Home Users, in the Pause paragraph, it ends with “Remember: When pausing is active, Windows Update won’t show pending patches (those ready to download or install) — so you’ll not know what’s offered. It’s rather annoying, but there is a solution described below.

        But I didn’t see the “solution described below” in the article … unless this was referring to techniques you use and describe for Pro users. Please can you clarify?

        Thanks again.

        • #2276304 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          From the article:

          If your updates are paused and you then click Resume updates (or the pause period ends), the pending updates will immediately download and install. Moreover, your Group Policy setting is ignored. But updates hidden before you clicked Pause will reappear in the wushowhide hidden-updates list.

          So you then use wushowhide to see what is offered.

          No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT - AE
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          • #2276320 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Group Policy is for Pro Users. It is not available in Win10 Home.

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        • #2276337 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          It’s rather annoying, but there is a solution described below.

          Looking at it harder (and twisting my head and squinting a LOT), it’s definitely annoying — and I don’t see any solution.

          In Win10 1903 and 1909 Home, when you’re paused, you won’t see what’s offered.

          Your best bet, if you get stuck, is to switch to metered, unpause, then real quick run wushowhide.

          I think.

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          • #2276348 Reply
            Kathy Stevens
            AskWoody Plus

            What impact will setting WiFi to metered have on other online activities?

            • #2276861 Reply
              anonymous
              Guest

              Not too much. Things like anti-virus definition updates won’t be downloaded automatically; offline maps won’t update automatically; most programs will either reduce their Internet usage or not do anything automatically. You can still get anti-virus definition updates, map updates, etc. by triggering them manually.

              I’ve been running as a metered connection for four years now with no problems whatsoever. If you’re vigilant enough to take measures to hold back Windows updates you’re certainly vigilant enough to stay on top of those crucial anti-virus updates on your own.

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      • #2276344 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        Why not use the MS Catalog and download patches manually whilst WU is blocked using a third party AV and WU blocker? Surely that is a valid option for W10 Home users.

        No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT - AE
      • #2276441 Reply
        Ben Myers
        AskWoody Lounger

        Well, this article is about Windows Updates, so I figured I would raise the issue here about the new Microsoft Edge.  Has anybody else notice that after either installing or updating the new Edge browser, that it has covertly changed some settings to Microsoft’s preference?

        To be specific:

        The default browser becomes (hold on while waiting in suspense) Microsoft Edge.

        Although Acrobat Reader is offers far more flexibility, the default PDF reader is…  Wait for it!  Microsoft Edge.

        So one has to change the browser and PDF reader defaults back to the way they were.   One must search through the almost infinite list of file extensions to find .PDF and change its handler to Acrobat.  Although PDF is an Adobe contrivance, because Microsoft has made a big deal out of using Edge to read PDFs, it really ought to add Acrobat to list list of its default apps in the following screen. DefaultApps

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      • #2276448 Reply
        Irene R
        AskWoody Lounger

        I am new here and not sure where to post this question, nor do I see where to start a new topic. I have a visual impairment and need to increase the size of the Inbox in Windows Live Mail. I need the top toolbar enlarged also. Any suggestions?

        • #2276453 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Your queston is off-topic here in this thread about Windows Update.

          In the top menubar, click on Forums. Scroll down and click on “Windows.”
          Find your version of Windows and click on it.
          Scroll down under the list. There is a place to put the title of the topic (make it explain your problem), and an entry box to put your question(s). Under that, there is a “Submit” button.

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      • #2276470 Reply
        Cee Arr
        AskWoody Plus

        PKCano thank you for the comprehensive Windows 10 Update article.  I am about to pull the trigger to move from Home to Pro.  I have three questions: 1.When would be the best time to make the change – Defcon 4? 2. Am I correct in assuming I’ll get version 2004?  3. Is there any way to remain on 1909 in Pro?

        • This reply was modified 5 months ago by Cee Arr.
        • #2276542 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Changing from Home to Pro is a matter of changing the license key in the Settings App. It shouldn’t change you current version of force an upgrade. All you need is the Pro key.

          Read through AKB2000016.
          Section 3 is information about Win10 Pro.
          Section 4 is the settings I use in v1909 and esrlier as an example. They are basically set and forget. To move to the next version (or the version you choose) is simply a matter of changing the Feature deferral pulldown to the correct number.
          Section 5 is what I am working on for v2004 (since MS removed the pulldowns in the GUI). The Group Policy settings work. It is still too soon to say for sure that the Registry settings will continue to work. AKB2000016 is a work in progress.

          The time to change to Pro is NOW. And use the settings before the next Patch Tues. so you don’t get v2004 if you don’t want it.

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      • #2276476 Reply
        frustrated
        AskWoody Lounger

        Per https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/237087/windows-10-pro-users-can-no-longer-defer-windows-updates

        “With Windows 10 version 2004, Microsoft is removing that second feature, the ability to defer updates via the “Choose when updates are installed” option in the Advanced Options page. So now, everyone one Windows 10, regardless of the product edition, as the same options to delay updates, but only up to 35 days. You can do so in 7-day increments via Windows Update, or in 1-day increments via Windows Update’s Advanced Options page.”

         

         

        • #2276648 Reply
          ejm
          AskWoody Plus

          I saw this, too…please, say it isn’t so!

      • #2276504 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        move from Home to Pro

        Why? What features of Pro do you need that you can’t find in Home?
        Home provides most things required to manage updates since 1903.

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2276551 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          The Pro Edition comes with Group Policy, which gives many more options than just deferring Feature Updates.

          It may not be necessary for the base User, but it is a real advantage for anyone that is even borderline tech savvy.

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      • #2276553 Reply
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        Changing from Home to Pro is a matter of changing the license key in the Settings App. It shouldn’t change you current version of force an upgrade. All you need is the Pro key.

        Read through AKB2000016.
        Section 3 is information about Win10 Pro.
        Section 4 is the settings I use in v1909 and esrlier as an example. They are basically set and forget. To move to the next version (or the version you choose) is simply a matter of changing the Feature deferral pulldown to the correct number.
        Section 5 is what I am working on for v2004 (since MS removed the pulldowns in the GUI). The Group Policy settings work. It is still too soon to say for sure that the Registry settings will continue to work. AKB2000016 is a work in progress.

        The time to change to Pro is NOW. And use the settings before the next Patch Tues. so you don’t get v2004 if you don’t want it.

        @ Cee Arr  I bought the $39.99 pkg from PC World (link below) that EXPIRES at 6 PM CST USA Today 6/30 per the current page clock. I trusted them vs cheaper sites. Entered New Product Key (Settings/Update/Activation/Change Product Key) and Everything in the Pro Upgrade was Automatic for me. MAKE Home BKUP IMAGES just before Upgrade and do so on your schedule.

        MY Upgrade from 1909 Home to Pro took 5 minutes but others took longer ( a 10 min wait for one at 100% was Not a Failure sign) – and I followed the Gpedit = 2 mod and other Feature (200)/Quality (30) Update settings (No Pause use per PKC) that PKC is referencing. I can barely spell Kumputer, so If I could do it then you certainly can.
        There IS a PC World Media Creation Tool Dnload Link in Purchase Receipt page that CaDesertRat stated IS a 2004 Install (it does NOT say 2004) BUT you’d have to Clk It & manually install it to get 2004. Good Luck!

        https://software.pcworld.com/p36877-windows_10_professional

        W10-64 1909 Pro / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 Coffee Lake/ GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0 + TRV = 2004

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      • #2276564 Reply
        WSDougS
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m on Win10 PRO but don’t have the same update options that you show in your column.  See my attached screen captures.

        GPE screen.jpg

        Windows Update Advanced screen.jpg

        • #2276571 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Unfortunately, your screenshots did not display.

          Please read AKB2000016, the source material for the article.

          The deferral pulldowns in Advanced options are available in the Pro version only, in Win10 v1909 and earlier. They have been removed by MS in v2004.

          If you have any deferrals set in Group Policy in the Pro version, the pulldown deferral switches will not be available in the GUI. This is explained in AKB2000016.

           

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          • #2277018 Reply
            rc primak
            AskWoody_MVP

            The June 2020 CU removed the deferral options from the User Interface on my Windows 10 Pro 1909 PC. No upgrade to 2004 yet, but the options are gone anyway. This seems to be getting applied retroactively to all supported versions.

            -- rc primak

            • #2277023 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              I still have the deferral switches in the GUI under Advanced options on my v1909 Pro updated through June Patch Tues. But I have not installed the OOB printer-fix patch.

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        • #2277021 Reply
          rc primak
          AskWoody_MVP

          I’m on Win10 PRO but don’t have the same update options that you show in your column.

          Have you by any chance applied the June 2020 CU and/or the out of band update from the Catalog? Or are we talking about the underlying Group Policy screens?

          -- rc primak

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          • #2277025 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            See #2277023 above. I have no other settings in GP except “2”

          • #2277039 Reply
            woody
            Da Boss

            I just installed the Win10 1909 CU – KB 4560960, build 18363.900.

            The deferral options are still in Windows Update Advanced settings.

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          • #2277042 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            NOTE: – if you have any deferrals set in Group Policy, the pulldown switches in the GUI in Advanced options will be unavailable (not show up).

      • #2276589 Reply
        Win7and10
        AskWoody Lounger

        Thanks for the document, will be reading it thoroughly. Sounds like Win 10 Home can be messy to say the least. Makes you not want to be “PC Savvy” to save your own skin. In these uncertain times, added stress does not help. Would like the PC to be simple, just like Win 7 was, but alas, will not be so.

        Thanks PKCano for all you do, I will be reading enthusiastically.

        Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
        Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

      • #2276831 Reply
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        https://software.pcworld.com/p36877-windows_10_professional

        The PC World Clock now shows 30 more days for $39.99 Pro Lifetime.

        W10-64 1909 Pro / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 Coffee Lake/ GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0 + TRV = 2004

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      • #2277380 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        I’m posting this for WG, who keeps getting “Can’t post at this time” errors…

        Was greeted by the Win10 welcome screen on boot this AM. This is a Haswell portable workstation which had been running Win7 Pro x64 until a BIOS setting had crashed this thing in March by deciding that I had a RAID array and corrupted the Win7 installation.

        My IT specialists were unable to get Win7 going period. They loaded a fresh copy of Win10 Pro and got it going. Saved the Win7 backup to the desktop. Their best IT gent later was able to transfer most stuff from there to Win10 Pro and unlock it and reinstall programs. Almost back to normal but had to buy later versions of some programs to be compatible with Win10.

        No clue what was updated. Still on 1909. Had disabled OneDrive and don’t use the Store. When cleaning the %TEMP% folder, one OneDrive process was running. Had to open it although I have no account and change the start setting in OneDrive settings. On a restart that process was gone from %TEMP%.

        Not a rocket scientist here and no clue what update caused the welcome screen. As per the Computerworld article, my updates are paused until July 6th. Feature updates paused for 280 days. No clue what is going on here but don’t want this thing to lock up next Monday! Appears to be no way to pause updates past 7/6.

        Any reflections? Comments? Instructions?

        • #2277381 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          See the BlogPost “Is there a way to cheat Pause Update?” and read the comments on the Lounge how people did this.

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        • #2277382 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Thanks, Woody. Was able to follow PK’s advice on the other thread and re-pause until 8/06 by which time you’ll have detailed advice for dealing with the June chaos! 🙂 Much obliged!

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