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      • #2380439
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-events/ama-windows-11-upgrade-paths-and-deployment-tools/ev-p/2557373

        “We know it sucks that some aren’t going to be eligible for Windows 11,” Microsoft’s Aria Carley said. “But the great thing to remember is the reason we’re doing that is to keep to devices more productive, have a better experience, and better security than ever before so they can stay protected in this new workforce.”..

        “Group policy will not enable you to get around the hardware enforcement for Windows 11. We’re still going to block you from upgrading your device to an unsupported state since we really want to make sure that your devices stay supported and secure,”..

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rEtZ6Othg

      • #2380443
        Cee Arr
        AskWoody Lounger

        I suffered this to 3minutes 21seconds and couldn’t stand it any further. 48.55 minutes in total! Is this the best MS can come up with? How off putting and droll. I might try to come back to it as I’m
        in a lock down situation and boredom may well get the better of me. If the staff at W10 update are of a like ilk it’s no wonder it’s such a shambles.

      • #2380654
        krism
        AskWoody Plus

        They run the show because we let them.

         

        IBM used to do that long ago until small companies like DG and whatever proved they could do a much better job with online systems.

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      • #2381100
        Ascaris
        AskWoody MVP

        “But the great thing to remember is the reason we’re doing that is to keep to devices more productive,”

        Oh? How does it make devices more productive by preventing them from upgrading to Windows 11? Is Windows 11 less productive?

        If so, you might want to, you know, fix that.

        “have a better experience,”

        Same again. Windows 10 is a better experience? What’s the point of 11 then?

        “and better security than ever before”

        So Windows 10 is more secure than 11?

        “so they can stay protected in this new workforce.”

        Erm, what new workforce?

        “We’re still going to block you from upgrading your device to an unsupported state since we really want to make sure that your devices stay supported and secure.”

        You could make sure people’s devices stay supported by not deciding to stop supporting them if they are using Windows 11 on them too. You’re not doing anyone a favor by blocking them from an “unsupported” configuration when you’re also the party who decided it’s unsupported.

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        • #2381102
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          @Ascaris, you got it backwards.

          Windows11 is more secure, more productive, more protecting, more supported, just more everything…
          Windows 10 is a failure compared to Windows 11.

      • #2381113
        krism
        AskWoody Plus

        @Ascaris, you got it backwards.

        Windows11 is more secure, more productive, more protecting, more supported, just more everything…
        Windows 10 is a failure compared to Windows 11.

        My jaw dropped when I read that.

        And you believe that?

        Or am I just missing extreme sarcasm? (my morning espresso hasn’t made it to my brain yet…)

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      • #2381125
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        @Ascaris, you got it backwards.

        Windows11 is more secure, more productive, more protecting, more supported, just more everything…
        Windows 10 is a failure compared to Windows 11.

        My jaw dropped when I read that.

        And you believe that?

        Or am I just missing extreme sarcasm? (my morning espresso hasn’t made it to my brain yet…)

        I just parroted Microsoft’s PR 🙂

        • #2381126
          krism
          AskWoody Plus

          For a minute there I thought you had been infected! 😀

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      • #2381127
        krism
        AskWoody Plus

        That’ll teach me not to read the forum before morning coffee!

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      • #2381184
        Ascaris
        AskWoody MVP

        All in good fun, but it illustrates quite well how absurd the statements MS is making really are. They don’t even seem to comprehend what they’re actually telling us. They just said that preventing people with hardware that is just a few years old (including some of their own Surface devices) from upgrading to Windows 11 makes their PCs more productive, more secure, and gives a better experience.

        I don’t think that’s the message they intended to send, of course, but it is what they said.  Fortunately for them, I doubt many people will actually pay enough attention to realize that’s what they said, and they wouldn’t care anyway. Statements like that are just so much marketing department word salad that people tune it out and consider their questions “answered,” even if they consider the answer to be nonsensical, if for no other reason than they realize they’re not going to get an actual answer that makes logical sense, and it would be a waste of time to try.

         

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      • #2381328
        krism
        AskWoody Plus

        Like IBM of old (I have no idea how they are/have been since about 1980), they (and their ilk – Amdahl tried to hire me for my IBM knowledge) are stuck in the idea that there’s is the only thing out there. It keeps sounding more like a rehash of Robert Morse in How to Succeed in Business without really trying. (He was perfect for the part). They will not/can not change until someone else comes along and takes their business away.

        Ransomware, to me, seems all caused by line folks and end users simply clicking on a link that they shouldn’t have. SO. To solve that problem we need to get rid of people – relegate them to typing trite epistles like this, but never allow them near an actual laptop or terminal where they could do some damage. This is quite easy – simply remove the sale of any and all personal computers, and any central system that allows them to access the internet. Solved! Nobody buys PCs, nobody installs MS operating systems, people now have to walk to get a newspaper, (BUT we have that TV/cable/streaming thing that prevents this from truly evolving into a situation which would increase folks’ health (but this will be addressed in another trite epistle sans links!). )

        More productive: advances in computer technology is lead by folks who think “hey, wouldn’t it be nice if we had a report that said THIS”, or a PC (Apple included here) that has an app that gives THIS information. This is always offset/balanced by the proliferation of MBAs that were taught the “80%” rule. I think god invented both to balance and frustrate each other. I think it is seriously hilarious. Hardware manufacturers struggle, albeit gleefully, to keep up.

        More secure – we had one employee who was sadly alcohol addicted and in evenings or weekends liked to wander into the mainframe room. The operators would call me and plead to get him out of there. So security is simple – put a lock on the door. See the above for de-proliferation of PCs and terminals. I fail to see what the problem is.

        Better experience – the last release of Mint had a “Deliver Espresso” button so I literally want for nothing. A clam, in the sea, several inches into the sand, could not be happier.

        Yes, of course they make statements that they do not have to look at. But we facilitate that. With every purchase of a new PC or piece of software, we encourage them. Naught will change until we do. Be the change you want to see around you.

         

        All in fun with just a smattering of truth. But YOU decide which is real, and which is an illusion. (Graeme Edge)

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