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      • #351372 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Great to be back in a Woody house now that Windows Secrets has merged!

        I’m trying to load Local by Flywheel to do a test website, but partway through installation, I got an error message saying AMD-v needed to be enabled in BIOS.

        2 questions:

        1. Can this be done on an 8 year old computer?
        2. Is it something I can do myself if I’ve never touched BIOS before (though I know what it is)?

        Or am I better to just forget about a local installation of WordPress and do it on a subdomain on our host?

        Thanks for any advice on this!

        Linda

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      • #351378 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Can you give us some information about your PC – make, model #, specs (processor capable of virtualization)?

        Assuming Win7 (since that is the Forum), which version are you running?

      • #351380 Reply
        jabeattyauditor
        AskWoody Lounger

        Local by Flywheel installs VirtualBox, which is why it’s pushing for the AMD-v feature to be enabled. Just FYI…

      • #351428 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks for your super fast responses. Local did install the Virtual Box, but got stalled on the Host Machine part.

        PK – yes, Windows 7. I’ve attached screenshot for more details re. computer. It’s HP Pavilion, model P6620F, purchases December 2010.

        I don’t know if the processor is capable of virtualization, given its age. Can you tell from this info?

        Please elt me know if you need further information.

        LindaPC-Info-for-Woodys

         

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        • #351526 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Appears to be capable of virtualization. I think you can turn that on in the BIOS setup. If I remember right, access is ESC during boot. If you are not familiar, find a friend who is.

          I tried once to run a virtual machine on a processor without virtualization (HP as a matter of fact, a  long time ago before I knew anything), and it was a disaster.

        • #351686 Reply
          mn–
          AskWoody Lounger

          Well.

          According to https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c02479654 , that model has an AMD Phenom II X4 820, and a N-Alvorix-RS880 motherboard with the AMD 785G chipset.

          According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_processors , the processor does indeed have AMD-V support.

          But, according to … well, rumors… the 785G chipset may not have the virtualization support that AMD-V may require. So, not sure if it’ll work.

          • #351728 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Perhaps updating the drivers beforehand might help?

      • #401748 Reply
        GoneToPlaid
        AskWoody Plus

        I figure that Enable Virtualization is either present in BIOS or its not. If it is there, it should work. I have a computer with a 760G chipset, and virtualization does work.

      • #413831 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Wow, thank you all for this wonderful information. I apologize for the delay in responding: tied up in theme selection!!

        After reading everyone’s input and discovering the level of technical knowledge required for this issue, I’m going to back away. Instead of using Local by Flywheel to install the test site, I’ll set up a subdomain and create the new site there. Afraid Local installation is not worth the potential issues it can cause on my computer.

        Thank you all so much for your detailed, helpful responses. As always, I’ve learned new things about computing from Woody’s terrific loungers and have a solution for my issue (albeit, a different one from what I started with!).

        Gratefully,

        Linda

        • #415503 Reply
          mn–
          AskWoody Lounger

          After reading everyone’s input and discovering the level of technical knowledge required for this issue, I’m going to back away. Instead of using Local by Flywheel to install the test site, I’ll set up a subdomain and create the new site there. Afraid Local installation is not worth the potential issues it can cause on my computer.

          Um, sure.

          Though I’d expect either WAMP or XAMPP would run a typical local WordPress just fine, if not as, um, refined as Local by Flywheel.

          Though, aside from the virtualization part (which is usually solved by running on different hardware, I’d think), those others would seem to be require more technical knowledge.

      • #435189 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks for your input, mn-.

        I have no idea what WAMP or XAMPP are! You can tell my level of technical knowledge is slight!!

        Linda

        P.S. The subdomain set up went smoothly; I have the test content installed and am working on “theme-ifying” it.

        • #459743 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          Here’s a link to the specs of your HP p6620f desktop PC, Linda:

          https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02479654

          It seems that model uses a N-Alvorix-RS880-uATX (Alvorix) motherboard.

          On my HP Pavilion m8417c media center computer (a 2008 model), the AMD-v option is listed as “Virtualization Technology” in the Power menu in the BIOS setup. when the HP logo appeared when I power on my HP computer, I press the F10 key to enter the bios setup, go to the Power menu and I change the Virtualization option to Enabled then I save changes.

          It looks like it’s the same thing with your HP P6620F computer – the Virtualization option is available in the Power menu in BIOS setup. see this document from the HP web site:
          https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02698971

      • #451572 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        If you need a local test installation you can run The Uniform Server under Windows. It’s simple, portable and doesn’t require a virtual server. They have a WordPress mini machine ready to go, along with a bunch of other products.

        cheers, Paul

        • #456316 Reply
          mn–
          AskWoody Lounger

          … as long as you aren’t relying on anything that changes between PHP 5.x and 7.x …

          5.x is EOL and The Uniform Server doesn’t seem to have 7 yet. But as long as you’re only doing local testing and such yourself, the security thing is not an issue.

      • #465860 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Wow, as always I am blown away by all the information all of you have provided!

        First, EP, thanks for the link to my PC info. I’ve saved it for future reference. Will also give your BIOS access instructions a try, just to learn – but not until this new site is closer to completion! 😉

        Paul, that Uniform Server looks great. Will pass it along to the person who told me about Local, as another, maybe simpler, option.

        Having a place to test sites on my computer will be a positive thing going forward.

        Thanks so much for all your help and practical suggestions.

        Linda

        • #515210 Reply
          GoneToPlaid
          AskWoody Plus

          Hi Irene,

          It should be a piece of cake to change that one setting in BIOS to enable virtualization. If you think that you accidentally changed anything else, all you have to do is to choose to exit BIOS without saving any changes.

          Don’t be afraid to at least look at the various settings which are available under the different menus in BIOS so that you become familiar with them. Most of the stuff is explained pretty well in the user manual.

          Best regards,

          –GTP

           

      • #589776 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks so much for the reassurance, Gone to Plaid. You certainly reduced my anxiety over BIOS. I will go in and poke around a bit (gently). A user manual is always a great help!

        Once I make some time to do this, I’ll post back with results.

        Happy Easter!

        Linda

        • #616418 Reply
          GoneToPlaid
          AskWoody Plus

          Hi Linda,

          I dug around and finally found HP’s web page for your computer’s motherboard and its BIOS settings. Here is a link to verify that this is your computer model:

          https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02479654

          Your HP Pavilion p6620f Desktop PC uses a Foxconn N-ALVORIX-RS880-uATX (Alvorix) motherboard. Here is a link to the motherboard specifications:

          https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02560084

          The above link is important since it also shows you how to set the BIOS back to its defaults, or how to clear a BIOS password if you ever forget the password.

          Here is a link for your computer motherboard’s BIOS settings:

          https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02698971#AbT1

          I initially couldn’t get the above web page to print properly in any web browser. Finally, I managed to turn the above web page about your BIOS settings into a PDF which you can download from my web site:

          http://www.mem-tek.com/askwoody/HP_Pavilion_p6620f_Foxconn_N-ALVORIX-RS880-uATX_BIOS_Settings.pdf

          The photos in the above PDF show the default value for each available setting. If ever you somehow choose a bad setting in BIOS such that Windows won’t start properly, all you have to do is to go back into BIOS and go to the Exit menu, and then choose Load Setup Defaults. Then choose to Exit Saving Changes and you are back in business.

          See pages 7 and 8 in the above PDF. The setting to enable your CPU’s virtualization capabilities is under the Power menu in your BIOS. All you have to do is to change the Virtualization Technology setting from Disabled to Enabled, then go to the Exit menu and choose to Exit Saving Changes. Shazam! You are done!

          On a final note and if the other experts here agree, I strongly recommend that you enable the NX (No Execute) feature. This feature also is under the Power menu in your computer’s BIOS. This feature requires Windows XP or higher. I recall that you can’t install or upgrade to Windows 8 or Windows 10 unless this NX feature is enabled.

          What NX does is to tell your CPU to never allow executable code to run in any memory pages which are assigned to hold only data. When NX is enabled, it prevents simple buffer overflow attacks in with malware tries to inject executable code into memory pages which are assigned to only hold data. Here is a nice yet short online article which explains NX:

          Execute Disable Bit – The BIOS Optimization Guide

          So there you have it. This is pretty much everything which I was able to dig up about your computer’s motheboard and BIOS.

          Best regards,

          –GTP

           

           

      • #628822 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Wow and double wow, GTP. I honestly cannot believe your fantastically detailed and linked response. What a wealth of information.

        Yes, that is my HP PC you found. That’s the only link I’ve had time to follow as yet, but I’ll get to all of them over the next few days. Whenever I need a break from trying to create our updated site, I’ll check your links. The only one I likely won’t need right now is the “enable NX”. This computer is 7 years old now and I’m pretty sure I’ll have to buy a new one before updating. Sure wish Microsoft were continuing Windows 7 support: I am NOT looking forward to learning a whole new OS. Heck, I’m already struggling with WordPress’ Gutenberg!!

        Once I get through your links, I’ll post back to let you know what I’ve learned.

        Again, my sincere appreciation for the time you have spent researching and helping me with my issue … as well as providing information beyond it!

        Linda

      • #2269879 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Well, it’s over a year later and I’m trying again to create a new site on Local by Flywheel on the recommendation of my trusted WP teacher/advisor, Kirk Biglione of WPApprentice.

        First, thanks to all of Gone to Plaid’s details, I found and enabled the Virtualization setting in BIOS (you were right: it was not difficult!). I then downloaded and installed Local, got as far as the Overview page for the new site I was creating and could get no further. All the items were filled in except for the WP version, which just kept rotating the 3 “loading” dots (see attachment). Admin or Visit Site buttons return only 404 or 403 errors respectively.

        Actions to Date:

        1. Uninstalled and reinstalled program several times.
        2. Restarted computer, corrected BIOS setting
        3. Exited from Local, restarted it: got to page in attachment
        4. Searched online and in Local community for help to no avail. Posted there, too, but not overly confident of timely response.

        What is especially strange is that I tried this yesterday, before the BIOS change, and got much further! The new WP Hello Dolly page opened. I needed to change an item in original settings, however, so ended up deleting that site and adding a new one, the start of all my problems.

        After hours on this, I’m hoping someone here can help. I also realize this is NOT actually a Windows issue so understand if no Lounger can offer suggestions. As a minimum, at least I’ve updated this thread to let you know I’ve successfully modified my BIOS … that’s a huge accomplishment when the modifier is as technically naive as I!!

        Thanks for listening and for any ideas!

        Linda

        PS Specs for my PC are in post above #351428

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      • #2270003 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Your BIOS / virtualization setting have nothing to do with connecting to websites. Network settings will be the issue.

        I assume the virtual machine is used to run the site you are developing and you then connect to that VM from your development program – the one that gives 403/4 errors – or is the dev program also on the VM?

        What happens if you click the “connect host” button in the bottom right corner?
        Can you see the VM via the VirtualBox console?
        Are you able to see the IP address used by VirtualBox? Can you ping that IP?

        cheers, Paul

      • #2270555 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Hi Paul, I’ll try to answer your questions (in bold):

        Your BIOS / virtualization setting have nothing to do with connecting to websites. Network settings will be the issue. OK, got it.

        I assume the virtual machine is used to run the site you are developing and you then connect to that VM from your development program – the one that gives 403/4 errors – or is the dev program also on the VM? Dev program?? I’m using WordPress, is that it? I don’t want this site to connect but just to be hosted on my PC.

        What happens if you click the “connect host” button in the bottom right corner? I get the choice of “Flywheel” or “WPEngine”, which are web hosts, I believe.
        Can you see the VM via the VirtualBox console? Sorry, don’t know where the console is!
        Are you able to see the IP address used by VirtualBox? Can you ping that IP? Not sure where to look for the IP address it uses, sorry.

        I attached a screenshot of what I found in Local’s error log. Is that any help?

        Paul, if this is overly technical for my level I don’t want to take up too much of your time. I can always give up on Local and set up a subdomain instead. I braved Local again because it seemed like a good idea, but not if it’s going to prove super complicated for me to set up!

        Thanks for your help, as always,

        Linda

        Local-Error-Log

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      • #2270708 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Your error log suggests the web site is not running correctly, which may be a configuration issue.

        It was working so it may be worth uninstalling and deleting any configuration files, then reinstalling.

        Check your Windows menu for VirtualBox and see what VMs have been created. Deleting these and then reinstalling Local may work.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2270939 Reply
        IreneLinda
        AskWoody Plus

        Positive suggestions, Paul. I did find VirtualBox and removed Local by Flywheel.

        …deleting any configuration files

        Unfortunately, I didn’t do the file removal as I didn’t know how. This may be why the reinstall gave me the exact same issue I had had before.

        Another thing that puzzled me: when I’d uninstalled/reinstalled Local, the Simple Solutions site was there in the new install. Why would it not have been removed with the uninstall? Or is that what removing the config files would have done?

        Linda

      • #2271171 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I don’t have that software so I’m guessing.

        The site files are created by Local, then pushed to the VM which gives you a site to play with.
        Not being able to connect to the site suggests the VM was not configured correctly. Removing the VM and reinstalling should reconfigure it.

        The site files will be local, possibly in Documents and you need to move them to another location to allow a completely fresh start. Not worth doing as a fix for your problems as the config is in the VM.

        cheers, Paul

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