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    • #158839 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      If you’re using Win10 1703, and you want to wait a bit to move to 1709, there may be a problem. Yesterday, Microsoft announced that 1709 is “fully ava
      [See the full post at: Another report of Win10 Creators Update (1703) users getting pushed to Fall Creators Update (1709), even with defer updates set]

    • #158850 Reply

      Mes
      AskWoody Lounger

      Wonder if CBB (and metered) no longer works, is gpedit “Configure Automatic Updates” disable the only remaining block? (besides disabling the service)

      • #158888 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Very good question… and I have no idea!

        It’d sure b e nice if Microsoft documented this stuff….

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        • #159036 Reply

          Ascaris
          AskWoody MVP

          It’d sure b e nice if Microsoft documented this stuff….

          Somehow, I don’t think Microsoft documenting ways of preventing Microsoft from doing what Microsoft wants is terribly likely!

          Microsoft has always been clear about which party is in control here.  You can request that Microsoft not do its updates during certain hours, but on their terms (don’t think they will permit you to set ALL of them to active; it’s only your PC part of the time).  You can request that Microsoft not download updates over your expensive metered connection, but they will violate that request and do it anyway if they find a given update important enough (make no mistake; it’s completely up to them).  You can request that Microsoft ‘defer’ updates, but inherent within that term is the obvious; the decision to take the update eventually does not belong to you, but to Microsoft.

          Given all of that, is it really a surprise that MS will ignore the deferral option if they feel like it?

          They are altering the deal.  Pray they don’t alter it any further.  (Wow, that’s apparently risen to “meme” status now?  I’ve been using that for ages…)

          And still I see people ask what’s wrong with Windows 10 on some sites out there.  I guess it’s like the privacy thing… some people just don’t and won’t ever care about the loss of control.  It doesn’t even register as a real concern, I guess, for some people.

          • #159074 Reply

            anonymous

            +1 about they are altering the deal.  Yes, very true, they are altering the deal.

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    • #158855 Reply

      anonymous

      Lucky for me I keep hiding the Windows 1709 update using WUShowHide or whatever it’s called. I ain’t installing that update UNTIL we get the full greenlight that it’s safe to install it. I might as well wait until March or April, because I ain’t dealing with issues before my convention in February.

      • #158858 Reply

        Mes
        AskWoody Lounger

        Have you seen 1709 in WUShowHid? Doesn’t show for me. From my understanding it could be forced before it can be hidden …

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        • #158949 Reply

          anonymous

          Chillax~I saw it in my hidden updates. Trust me-I DOUBLE CHECK each morning before I browse the web. I hid like an update for win 1703 with antivirus thingy. And last I checked the other day-1709 is still UNDER Hidden updates I’ve hid. 🙂 So no way that nasty little b***** gonna try to install under my watch. I make sure of it.

          Each morning after ccleaner, advanced system care and disk check, I run the windows update, check the win hide program, check for any new updates to hide and BAM! I disable windows update so nothing tries to install or anything.

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          Mes
          • #159458 Reply

            anonymous

            Isnt’t that too much hassle to go through every morning just before going to work?

            One is supposed to sit down in front of the computer every morning, resume it from hibernation (or turn it back on) and get back to work. No jumping through hoops like a circus animal before earning your safe treat. Getting work done is supposed to be the main goal, not some sort of reward.

            After a good stable period with Win XP and 7, Microsoft just got it all wrong. Again.

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      • #159084 Reply

        anonymous

        I have had the 1709 upgrade attempt to install even when wushowhide reported nothing unusual. You definitely can’t trust Microsoft not to break your computer, other than to disable the Windows Update service (and who knows when Microsoft will kill that?)

        • #159219 Reply

          anonymous

          Just double check the updates you’ve hidden and make sure 1709 is among the hidden updates you’ve hid.

          I’ll double check mine tomorrow morning and make sure it’s still in hidden updates I’ve hid.

           

          Still I won’t let 1709 install on my computer. I’ll make sure of it-Last month when I installed the monthly updates when we were on level 3, SURE ENOUGH 1709 was still amongst the hidden updates when I was unhiding the monthly updates. So I’m sure 1709 will be shown to be one of the hidden when I unhide the monthly updates when were at level 3.

    • #158864 Reply

      bobcat5536
      AskWoody Lounger

      I started out with Home and paid the 100.00 to upgrade to Pro for the only reason of being able to have some control over updates. If this is indeed the case, and anyone from Microsoft is reading this, i want my ( bleep ) money back 🙁  I think the government or some other regulating body needs to take a good look at this company’s business practices. This is not a rant, just my humble opinion.

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      • #159087 Reply

        lurks about
        AskWoody Lounger

        I have pretty much given up on W10 because it is my box, period. I demand final control of the box overall issues; delaying updates if I think necessary, remaining on whatever still supported version it is one, etc. Even if the delay is because I need to finish something before a reboot.

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    • #158891 Reply

      anonymous

      As long as MS insist on things like this, i will never  run win 10

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      • #158922 Reply

        John in Mtl
        AskWoody Lounger

        I don’t have anything positive to add to the conversation except to agree!

        As long as MS insists on doing things “their way or the highway”, no way am I moving on to Win-10.  Win-7 & 8.1 = stable, nag-free, spyware-free, 100% user control, MY WAY. And that’s how it should be, period.

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        • #159428 Reply

          PerthMike
          AskWoody Lounger

          Same here.

          I work in a local government agency, and I have REAL trouble explaining to the directors that if we roll out Windows 10, we have no way of blocking games that Microsoft is pushing at all Windows 10 editions, such as Candy Crush, etc., and/or new features that may or may not break compatibility with our programs.

          What is the point of having a “Business” edition, when you can’t block non-business applications, like games, from being installed by Microsoft itself, at their whim?

          So yes, we will use Windows 7 until the very last critical update date in 2020. (And I still think they’ll have to go beyond that because there are many others in a similar situation to us.)

          No matter where you go, there you are.

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          • #159555 Reply

            lurks about
            AskWoody Lounger

            One of the primary complaints with W10 is the actual or potential loss of control over the computer. MS is forgetting a cardinal rule in business: never alienate your customers. In your case, you are rightfully worried about what will be installed behind your back as well as some, reasonable, future incompatibility with a mission critical application. Both pose real problems with the primary function of your (or anyone else’s) equipment; a tool to do something.

            Steve Jobs once said his goal with the Mac was to make computers appliances (think refrigerator). I think that goal is what MS should remember, people want an useful ‘appliance’.

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            • #159722 Reply

              Cybertooth
              AskWoody Lounger

              I always thought that what Jobs meant by “appliances” was that he wanted to turn computers into machines that did only certain functions specified at the factory, and nothing else. Like a refrigerator: you can’t use it to make toast, mow the lawn, or go to a museum. It is designed to perform certain limited purposes and is incapable of doing anything else.

              I don’t want my PC to become like a fridge, I want it to remain the versatile machine it’s always been, and not something whose operations are limited to what Apple or Microsoft tell me I can use it for.

               

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    • #158937 Reply

      MrBrian
      AskWoody MVP

      ‘Tellingly, Microsoft’s official Windows 10 release information page (see screenshot) is all over the map. While Cable’s announcement seems to designate 1709 as a “Semi-Annual Channel” release (formerly Current Branch for Business), in fact Microsoft’s page still shows it as “Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted)” which corresponds to the old “Current Branch.”’

      Tweet from Michael Niehaus: “Yes, the release info page will be updated at the same time that media is available. […]”

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    • #158992 Reply

      AlexEiffel
      AskWoody MVP

      I pushed registry settings for group policies delaying the feature updates on Home versions of 1607 and used lgpo to import policies on Pro versions.

      Recently, the home versions stopped respecting the parameters and updated to 1709 while I have none of the PRO version that updated. But I was for a reason or another able to skipping 1703 entirely using this on the Home versions. I never used any other trick like wushowhide or metered connections.

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      • #159157 Reply

        abbodi86
        AskWoody MVP

        Home editions are excluded from any defer policies since ver 1511

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        • #159431 Reply

          AlexEiffel
          AskWoody MVP

          Interesting. I don’t know if they respected the setting I pushed directly in the registry under policies for a while until very recently anyway or if it is for another reason, but both machines that were on home (I don’t manage many on home) got upgraded recently at about the same time from 1607 they ran for a long time directly to 1709.

    • #159172 Reply

      SteveTree
      AskWoody Lounger

      If you really want to get p****d at Microsoft, try my laptop with is not 1709 compatible. It downloads, attempts to install THEN gives the message that the named Atom processor is incompatible.  Every time I update I need to set metered connection and suffer Microsoft’s stupidity not checking the processor before download to get other updates loaded before setting metered connection again Imagine the wasted bandwidth and degraded performance in the following  (list extracted from Windows via code – 28 failures to date). Sometime during my attempt to solve the problem via Microsoft there was a link for further information. That led to advertising for a Surface. They have to be kidding. After this experience nobody in their right mind would risk MS hardware! I only stick with Windows due to too many years experience with VBA in Office products to toss away. Here are the failures so far

       

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      8/01/2018 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      10/12/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      10/12/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      6/11/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      2/11/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      2/11/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      2/11/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      2/11/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      2/11/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      2/11/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      2/11/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

      26/10/2017 Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709 Failed

       

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      • #159196 Reply

        Jan K.
        AskWoody Lounger

        Just consider it to be the subtle way of Microsoft suggesting you to upgrade the laptop!

        Your idea of checking processor type _before_ starting download sounds brilliant, but how often do you see Microsoft and brilliant in same sentence?

        Try starting a thrwad in Microsoft Answers forum… good luck!

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    • #159188 Reply

      cyberSAR
      AskWoody Lounger

      Just updated 2 Win10 1703 systems.

      Set to CBB, Defer feature updates 365. Changed the Quality updates from 30 to 0 days and ran a check for updates. Downloaded and installed Office and windows updates but stayed on version 1703. We’ll see what happens next week! 🙂

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      • #159217 Reply

        SteveTree
        AskWoody Lounger

        Try starting a thrwad in Microsoft Answers forum… good luck!

        Bot frustration, here we come! Actually, I’ve been there twice already and have just about given up.  However, you can’t rule it out. After a few more months of feature update failure, who knows…

        • #159227 Reply

          Jan K.
          AskWoody Lounger

          Stupid tablet keyboard! “thrward”?? 😀

          Yes, forgot about those… perhaps better do a search on “how to prevent w10 upgrade” (ComputerWorld and here) and search WUShowHide

    • #159275 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      UPDATE: Here’s another report of a “hard” bug in 1709:

      Windows 10 Fall Creators Update is hit by a new bug that prevents installation, especially for devices with Intel’s X299 chipset and an NVMe SSD drive.

      Thx SB.

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    • #159311 Reply

      anonymous

      Hello Woody!

      Thank you very much for posting the problem of HP OfficeJet Pro 8100 in your computer world article!!!

      Now waiting if M$ or HP or both fix this strange bug!

      Thank you very much!

    • #159312 Reply

      anonymous

      Hello Woody!

      I want to report you another bug with this cumulative update of this month (8th of January 2018) in Windows 8.1 and in Windows 10 with SEP 14. The official forum only says that it only affects Windows 10, but it affects too in Windows 8.1.

      “The latest Microsoft patch is causing Symantec Endpoint Protection 14.0 RU1 MP1 (14.0.3876.1100) to report “Product Error requires attention” and the SEP system tray icon to report “There are multiple problems (2)”.

      This is the official forum link of symantec:

      https://www.symantec.com/connect/forums/latest-win10-update-corrupts-sep14

      The shame list says that Symantec endpoint is ready for this month’s cumulative update, but it isn’t ready:

       

      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/184wcDt9I9TUNFFbsAVLpzAtckQxYiuirADzf3cL42FQ/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

       

       

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    • #159325 Reply

      ax kramer
      AskWoody Lounger

      I have a desktop computer that the 1709 update has ignored for months. Then on last Friday with no warning my Internet access slowed down significantly. It does this whenever an application decides to update. After a few hours, I turned off the computer. Coming back the next day, when the computer was turned on I discovered that the1709 update was being installed, so for the next two hours I had no way to use the computer to get my office work done. Also, despite the MS claim that my settings would remain unchanged, the lock screen picture is  gone and can not be re-established. And that is just the first example, I am stil finding more collateral damage days later. Don’t even ask what MS did to my nicely tiled start screen.

      = Ax Kramer

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    • #159465 Reply

      krisweir
      AskWoody Lounger

      I came in on January 3rd to find almost all (100+) Windows 10 PCs that were on older versions than v1709 downloading from Microsoft – and, interestingly, all from the same IP address: 13.107.4.50.

      All these PCs are Win 10 Pro and are on WSUS for updates, with Domain group policy set to enforce this.

      This is bad news, as we had found nearly a 50% failure-rate on our PCs, and some compatibility issues, when testing the v1709 update and had therefore decided to hold off releasing this.  Sure enough, about half of the feature updates failed to install.  In most cases the “restore previous version of Windows” worked, but in one case this failed and went into a retry loop.  This installation proved impossible to repair and the PC had to be reformatted.

      In some cases it also appears that the Windows 10 Update Assistant had been installed (or at least updated – the installation date in Programs and Features showed Jan 3rd.)  This then continually re-attempted the v1709 install.  Even uninstalling the Update Assistant did not always help as it would reinstall itself.  Eventually I found scheduled tasks had been created to run the Update assistant – again, dated 3rd Jan.  Removing these and unistalling the Update Assistant did usually stop this behaviour.

      Not a good way to start the year 🙁

      We have now added “DisableWindowsUpdateAssistant” and “DisableWindowsUpdateAccess” to our Windows Update Settings GPO.

      Note: DisableWindowsUpdateAccess does not stop updates from WSUS, despite the name.
      This took a while to find, as it’s not under the Windows Update template, but under System/Internet Communication Management/Internet Communication settings.

      Other ways of stopping PCs downloading Windows updates – including feature updates – directly from MS servers had to be abandoned as they also broke the Microsoft Store.

      Not good.

      I was quite surprised not to see more people suffering similar issues, as this suddently came out of the blue after our Xmas/New-Year break.  Note, most of these PCs would have been shut down on December 24th.

      There were quite a few complaining about the Windows 10 Upgrade Assistant thing, but virtually nothing about WSUS-managed PCs suddenly downloading updates directly from MS – and these included driver updates too, incidentally, which I also block on WSUS.

      Anyone else out there seeing this??

      Chris.

       

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    • #159475 Reply

      krisweir
      AskWoody Lounger

      Thanks Mr B – I had looked at this before.

      As the referenced MS blog says:
      Windows updates from WSUS, blocking WU access entirely – the “workaround” scenario. If you have blocked access to Windows Update, then enabling the policy described in this post is irrelevant. Note that this workaround is no longer necessary and that you can control WU access by combining deferral policies with Disable Dual Scan.

      For us this is not a “workaround.”  At the moment it’s essential that we have complete control of updates, and feature updates in particular.  Given the 50% failure rate and potential bricking of PCs with v1709 it’s even more important.

      Even with planned feature updates, we need to control exactly which PCs are scheduled to update and warn the users beforehand – and give them advice such as to reboot their PCs when they leave the office rather than just shut down, and then spend two hours waiting for their PC to be useable the next day…

      Hopefully, v1803 is going to perform better than v1709 in the upgrade process.
      If not, we may have no choice but to reformat and reload Windows on 200+ PCs 🙁

      On my own PC the upgrade to v1709 (from 1703) failed repeatedly, and I investigated various ways of getting it to work, including disconnecting all USB devices, using the Upgrade Assistant, using the ISO installer, etc.  None worked.  It always complained about “incompatible hardware.”  Eventually I tried a clean boot with all unnecessary services and programs disabled.  This worked. v1709 installed successfully.

      All appeared fine.  Then I re-enabled the services and programs…
      Now unbootable – and impossible to repair.

      I now have a new PC and have lost days if not weeks of time setting this up and finding alternatives to the network management software that I can no longer install, etc.

      We can’t afford to have this happen on a large scale.

      C.

       

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      • #159482 Reply

        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Lounger

        What an unbelievable mess.

        Except that it’s Windows 10 with its predilection for force-feeding updates on people, so it IS believable.

        Which makes it an OUTRAGEOUS mess.

         

      • #159492 Reply

        MrBrian
        AskWoody MVP

        Perhaps this technique would work? I am not sure if it has Microsoft Store effects too though.

        • #159605 Reply

          krisweir
          AskWoody Lounger

          Mr B said: “Perhaps this technique would work? I am not sure if it has Microsoft Store effects too though.”

          Yes, but I do want to run Windows Updates on PCs.  I just want to control which updates, and which specific PCs get what updates (I have several groups of PCs and servers in WSUS for testing and deployment, etc.)

          Thanks,

          Chris.

    • #159535 Reply

      anonymous

      I was one of the people who got pushed last November to 1709 despite having Current Branch for Business set in Win10 Pro with a delay that should have blocked it. That was the bad news.

      There was good news too: No issues for me from Win 10 Pro 1709. It’s consistently run very smoothly.

      But the other bad news is that these major-version upgrades do temporarily break some things for me. For example, I still use a legacy, non-subscription, legally-licensed version of Adobe Audition that in combination with my SoundBlaster audio card driver, goes kerflooey every time Win 10 does a major version upgrade. I’ve kept detailed log notes on how to reset everything, but it still takes more time than I’d like, and until I do it, I can’t stream-record the way I otherwise can in Adobe Audition. Also a couple programs I have are twitchy enough that they insist on reactivating licenses, which is easy enough, but an annoyance. I’d rather do all this on my schedule than Microsoft’s, and as someone else pointed out, I paid for that privilege with the Windows Pro-rather-than-free-Home license.

      I have another laptop which I rarely connect to the web that had legal Win 7 Home, not Pro. It got automatically updated early to Win 10. And it didn’t run well on Win 10. My antivirus program, for example, broke and couldn’t be completely uninstalled–it kept nagging to be reactivated no matter what I did. A couple weeks ago, I took a *day* to R&R back to Win 7 and shut off updates past the point where the Win 10 stuff started creeping in. I’ll also keep that laptop off the web. The old laptop serves the purpose I need. When we paid for Win 7, we paid for an OS that should have been able to do this without MS’s nonsense.

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    • #159785 Reply

      Jonathan Handler
      AskWoody Lounger

      This message is a long FYI for what my experience has been before (and mostly after) I upgraded from Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro.

      I have always used Metered Connection on my PC since I learned about that technique here.  It reduced but did not eliminate forced upgrades on Windows 10 Pro because I do not have Internet connectivity at home and therefore spend a lot of time in libraries and Paneras.

      I have to say that I have had a much easier time avoiding forced updates once I switched from Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro and set Windows 10 Pro to work on the Current Branch for Business, not the Current Branch (Home).  I missed updating to Windows 10 Version 1703 KB4048954 when we were at MS-DEFCON 3 or 4 at the end of November because of some problems that I was working through.  I also missed updating to the same cumulative update at the end of December because of different problems that I was working through in December.  I am now waiting for Woody to put us at MS-DEFCON 3 or 4 later in January.

      The servicing update from November, KB4049011, failed to install in November (IIRC), that entry has disappeared on my Update History, and also failed to install December 20 (or maybe slightly later) but just installed on January 10, even with Metered Connection on all of the time and Quality Updates set to install 30 days late.  My security updates are all current, as they should be.

      When I upgraded to Windows 10 Pro, I initially set Feature Updates to be 90 Days Late and adjusted it to 120 days late shortly after that, based on the advice of PK Cano (IIRC).  When forced updates to Version 1709 recurred recently, I changed the Features Update to 365 Days Late.  Now that some people have been hit with Forced Upgrades with Features Update 365 Days Late, I have interpreted that as Microsoft persuading people not to arbitrarily delay Feature Updates to 365 Days Late.  Because of that happening, yesterday I moved Features Update back to 150 Days Late to have it delay 5 of the 6 months that a Semi-Annual Release is current for Windows 10 Home users.

      This is starting to save me several hours of worry time every month, which is the benefit I expected to get by paying for the Windows 10 Pro upgrade.

      I hope that this information help[s some people who have been considering doing what I did.

    • #162101 Reply

      AlexEiffel
      AskWoody MVP

      Just to let you know, I have one laptop yesterday on 1607 Pro that updated to… 1703!

      Funny how home versions got updated from 1607 to 1709 but how this Pro version got updated to 1703! The thing is, it might have been a year I put the settings to delay the update in group policy, so it would make sense it now lets the computer upgrade, but I find it very interesting it upgraded to 1703 and not 1709, unlike the home version.

      Now I didn’t check if the group policy setting has been reset. I will do that on another machine later when I have time to analyze everything that got changed while upgrading.

    • #162666 Reply

      anonymous

      Hello!

      Problems with Lenovo T440 with patch KB4056892:

      https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/forums/v3_1/forumtopicpage/board-id/tp01_en/thread-id/121585/page/1

      This is a mess: Intel + OEMS + M$

    • #162670 Reply

      anonymous

      Hello Woody and good night!

      Another problem with Lenovo buggy microcode:

      If you rollback, that buggy microcode doesn’t dissapear!!!!

      Here’s the link:

      https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Security-Malware/Stuck-with-buggy-micro-code-after-recent-BIOS-update/m-p/3951432#M3171

       

    • #162837 Reply

      anonymous

      other than to disable the Windows Update service (and who knows when Microsoft will kill that?)

      Strange you say that because on win 10 ltsb I have windows update disabled..’yeah i know i dont have to do that with ltsb”As of late after every restart the service is back running.

    • #162907 Reply

      conehead
      AskWoody Lounger

      Until yesterday I had three Win 10 machines on build 1703. All of  them had “widespread” use selected for when “Updates Are Installed”, had ethernet set to metered, and had “Pause Updates” on.

      Without warning, they were all upgraded to build 1709.

      Microsoft has turned into “Evil Corp”.

      What then is the  point  of  these options if MS can go ahead and ignore them?

    • #163327 Reply

      MrBrian
      AskWoody MVP

      From Microsoft Explains Its Windows 10 Update Messaging Goals (January 17, 2018): ‘In a Wednesday phone interview, Niehaus explained Microsoft’s communication approach with regard to Windows 10 updates. It has been trying to arrive at a more uniform messaging, both for consumers and IT pros. Last week, Microsoft noted the “full availability” of Windows 10 update 1709, but that phrase is just an attempt to prod awareness. The full availability release is the same thing as the semiannual channel release. Microsoft was just giving advance notice.’

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    • #171373 Reply

      anonymous

      Has any one heard any news lately around this type of behavior or found any effective method for getting your 1703 systems to honor the Defer Windows Updates GPO settings?

      • #171407 Reply

        anonymous

        Somehow I think they are going to say “Fixed in 1709, upgrade to 1709 to solve this problem”.

    • #178080 Reply

      Rocket2TheMoon
      AskWoody Lounger

      While there is a lot of information strewn about all over the interwebs about how to disable the windows update feature by using gpedit, disabling certain services, and perhaps a few other tweaks, most that I have seen do not include disabling all of the scheduled tasks, such as the ones that call that annoying MusNotification.exe application that pops up the update prompt that hijacks your screen and only appears to give you one option: to update.  You can press ESC on that one which will take you to the updates tab that can be safely closed without updating.  However, it’d be better to simply never see that annoying message.  Want to get rid of it and also stop Windows from automatically downloading updates that you don’t want?  Disable everything you find in Task Scheduler under Microsoft/Windows/UpdateOrchestrator (may not work on Home Edition without some tweaks, but should work on Pro and up; google for solutions).  Pretty much every task in there is associated with Windows Update in one form or another.  One of them automatically downloads the Windows 10 Update Assistant, which then installs itself, downloads updates, and installs them regardless of your group policy settings, etc.  It also tends to do all of this while your machine is idle so that you don’t see any of it happen until it’s too late.  Disabling the associated tasks appears to stop this behavior. Do this in addition to all of the other tweaks found all over the interwebs and you should finally do away with forced updates as well as the annoying prompts to get them until Microsoft buries another scheme for forcing updates down our throats somewhere else in the OS.

       

      It’s very frustrating that this has become Microsoft’s attitude, and it’s one of the finest examples of why monopolies are bad for consumers.  There has never been a better time for another software developer to challenge Microsoft for OS dominance in the PC market than now.  Give us ease of use, compatibility with the programs we use, and complete control over our machines and the OS that drives them, and I really think you can steal a lot of market share from Microsoft since they appear to have become deaf to what customers continue to demand.  We don’t want delayed updates; we want no updates at all, ever, under any circumstances, until we decide to do it.  It’s our risk to take.  Don’t want to make updates opt-in because of all of the computer illiterate out there that will be put at risk?  Fine.  At least give us a way to opt-out for those of us that actually know what we’re doing: one that is clearly documented and easy to do, and one that YOU DO NOT BYPASS!  It’s our risk to take.  Not that I completely buy this big-brother-for-our-own-good c*** as the real reason for forcing updates down our throats.  Right now Microsoft is violating their own built-in OS settings by adding another Windows Update (in the form of the assistant) that simply bypasses any policy settings and updates Windows anyway, and it does it without any user interaction or permission.  While you can dial it back at the moment, it should not be necessary to deal with it at all.  What’s the point of the policy and security settings if even Microsoft doesn’t honor them?  Anyway, that’s enough out of me.

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