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      • #2312650 Reply
        anonymous
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        is it really you? hope you and family are well.
        in reply to #2312647 …malarkey

        https://www.thefreedictionary.com/malarkey

        see you again soon?

      • #2312742 Reply
        anonymous
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        this is the “rants,” section?
        who is minding the store?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Krebs

        remember this ?:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre which led to this:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_in_Government_Act and when it expired in 1999 led to this:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice_Office_of_Special_Counsel,

        thanks to S.I. Hayakawa- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._I._Hayakawa

        and especially to Woody for providing a place to “vent.”

        • #2312806 Reply
          wavy
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          thanks to S.I. Hayakawa- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._I._Hayakawa

          and especially to Woody for providing a place to “vent.”

          What is Senator Hayakawa’s place is that?

          PS don’t see many refs to Korzybski these days. Maybe we need more of what he talked about to enable a bit more clear, critical thinking these days.

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          Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
          • #2312835 Reply
            anonymous
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            thanks for replying, wavy

            i can relate to some of Hayakawa’s ideas about the dangers of propaganda from Language in Thought and Action where he recommends (“peaceful accomodation and mutual respect…”) his anti digit dialing league, and his poliical attitude in general. i’m surprised you made it all the way to A. Korzybski and his offering of the “Dog Cookies,” to students in order to demonstrate the importance of words. what started me off down this road was the definition of malarkey in the urban dictionary .com after Woody mentioned it in the “Security shouldn’t be political,” post. urban dictionary .com first quotes J. Biden then right below yesterday’s word of the day was “Your Fired,” D. Trump…

            • #2312985 Reply
              wavy
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              Actually read some Hayakawa, Korzybski and Chomsky in a high school linguistics class. Its been a while 😉

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              Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #2313038 Reply
        OscarCP
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        I hope I am not just demonstrating my own confusion as to what is exactly the subject under discussion here, but reading the Wikipedia precis of what were Prof (and politician) Hayakawa’s ideas (that I was no aware of and I have learned just now by reading the preceding comments, something I am thankful for) I get the impression that, if this has anything to do with the firing of people in government that do not endorse the current president’s opinions on the elections as stated in his tweeted messages, then Prof. Hayakawa’s ideas might not be quite on point in this particular context.

        What follows is not a further comment on those presidential Tweets, but on the use of mass media to influence people, sometimes to a quite surprising extent.

        There is a mention in the Wikipedia precis of Hitler. Well, here is my take on him and on those who followed his path and applied his lessons by example in order to achieve very great power, even if they might not have known that was really what they were doing:

        Hitler and other would-be tyrants, since him (although one might argue that Benito Mussolini had a start on him) have all used the modern means of mass communication. In the 30s and 40s it was radio and it was broadcast, one to many, and one way. Now we have both one way and interactive, at the very least in the sense of the spreading of (mis)information further and the reinforcing and adding to it by the susceptible users of Facebook and other social networks.

        In my view, the key here is the susceptibility of individuals to have their generalized anger — sometimes provoked by a valid grievance, but then evolving into a free-floating aggressive passion — focused, by the skillful tickling of whatever part of the brain is susceptible, on a purported and often faked enemy. In the case of Hitler, the end result was the mass murdering of millions of men, women and children as a well as a calamitous war where tens of millions more died and cities that were great centers of civilized life got reduced to rubble, industry was largely destroyed, with many of the surviving millions left wandering in the ruins scrounging for food. So the exploitation of the mass communications media for the obtaining of absolute power by would-be tyrants with a gift of the gab who are also wise to how to use them, is a truly dangerous thing. I am not too sure that the semantics of the precise wording of their messages is that important.  The way I see it, this is more like a fakir playing a flute to hypnotize a snake and make it do tricks than a case of semantic wizardry. Whatever would explain this resides somewhere in the mysterious workings of the human mind about which we are probably quite ignorant, but some can find practical ways of using this anyways, for gaining their own advantage at the cost of the grief of many others.

        But, if I am wrong, perhaps someone here can explain how.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

      • #2313049 Reply
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        thanks for your reply, Oscar. very deep and i appreciate very much you sharing your understanding above. i started this after i read Woody’s comment in “Security shouldn’t be political,” where he used the word “malarkey,” (he was being kind) to help couch his take on the most recent in a long line of  firings Chris Krebs. (i was also excited to hear from Woody another of my literary heroes.) i guess i am extremely burned out by the overwhelming smoke and mirrors tweat storms and the damage they have done as you well know and have been ceaselessly emanating from the east over the past four plus years. ending soon mercifully. i take considerable umbrage in being governed via propaganda.  numbers have their place; however, i love words and ideas and when thoughtfully employed the real power for good they hold thence S.I. Hayakawa , “…that everyone needs to have a habitually critical attitude towards language—his own as well as that of others—both for the sake of his personal well being and for his adequate functioning as a citizen.” i also was paying attention to his handling of the student strike as acting President at San Francisco State College. so, please don’t be confused by my late night ramblings and if you would enjoy more twists and turns have a look at the wiki pages on Leni Reifenstahl and one of her films:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leni_Riefenstahl

        and one of her films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympia_(1938_film)

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        • #2313226 Reply
          OscarCP
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          Anonymous ( #2313049 ): Yes, Leni R’s masterpiece, “The Triumph of the Will” was a great example of intellectuals, including artists of all people, bending the knee to, and using their gifts and knowledge for glossing over the atrocious nature of a gang running the government whose members were capable of unspeakable crimes. Including setting off possibly the greatest man-made catastrophe in history: WWII. And here we are, still working on new ones as if that one had not been enough.

          Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

      • #2313239 Reply
        anonymous
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        “…and here we are…”

        Wing Attack Plan R, sir? is it comedy or science fiction?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove

        we used to visit the abandoned liquid fueled Titan silos east of town in the late 60’s. thank God that hasn’t happened, yet…

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