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    • #2137424 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I have three bare-metal Win10 version 1903 machines. None of them is showing the KB 4532695 “optional, non-security, C/D Week” patch for Win10 version
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    • #2137436 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      “If you’re running Win10 1903 (type “winver” in the Search box), could you check and see if the optional update appears for you? Click Start > Settings > Update & Security. You should see it on the right.”

      1903. No optional update, but I have Quality Updates differed to 14 days.
      I order to get optional updates quality updates should = 0.

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    • #2137439 Reply

      Ken Sims
      AskWoody Plus

      Windows 10 Pro x64 Version 1903 Build 18362.592.

      I’m not seeing it.

      1903-Updates

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    • #2137443 Reply

      Ken Sims
      AskWoody Plus

      1903. No optional update, but I have Quality Updates differed to 14 days. I order to get optional updates quality updates should = 0.

      That’s a good point. I have Quality Updates deferred for 15 days.

    • #2137445 Reply

      PKCano
      Da Boss

      If you have deferrals set, and maybe Pause, I don’t believe you will see the “Download and install now” section at all.

      • #2137450 Reply

        Ken Sims
        AskWoody Plus

        I normally have it paused. I unpaused it for the purpose of the check.

      • #2137451 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        All three of my 1903 machines have no Pause Updates, and no deferrals. They are all up to date with the January Cumulative Update.

        I’m not sure why, but it looks like MS is only offering last month’s optional update to 1909 machines. I’d sure love to see a counterexample.

        • #2137458 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I’ve never ever seen that section on any of my Win10 of any version (which all have deferrals set).

      • #2137455 Reply

        Ken Sims
        AskWoody Plus

        I signed in with a local admin account and changed the deferral to zero and all I got was a .NET update.

        1903-Updates-1

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      • #2137642 Reply

        Matador
        AskWoody Plus

        With the Pause in place you dont see it but once the pause period has expired or the Resume Updates button is pressed and all patches installed, it rears its ugly head on my Win10 Home 1903 computer under Optional updates.

        • #2137665 Reply

          Matador
          AskWoody Plus

          My Bad, today I installed the NET patch KB4534132 and report that KB4532695 has disappeared from the Optional Update, now am seeing  “Feature update to Windows 10 Version 1909”

          Maybe Microsoft pulled it?

    • #2137448 Reply

      saturday24
      AskWoody Plus

      On my 2 1903 pro machines, none of them is showing the KB 4532695

      On my 1 1909 home machine, it is showing the KB 4532695

      Also, 1909 home machine is updated to january patches, but on both 1903 pro machines windows update has not updated them to january (december updates was the last installed). Updates are always installed one month after, using the methodology of not allow updates until the last part of the month.

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    • #2137460 Reply

      cyberSAR
      AskWoody Plus

      Don’t have any 1903 to check but I did install that update on a 1909 machine with deferrals set. I had to drop Feature update to 0 for it to show up.

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      • #2137507 Reply

        cyberSAR
        AskWoody Plus

        Just fired up a fresh 1903 VM. Feature updates 365 and Quality updates deferral to 0 and updated. Not offered. Dropped feature updates to 0 and was offered update to 1909 but not 4532695. Playing with the feature update deferral dates after that starts installing 1909.

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    • #2137463 Reply

      anonymous

      Running win 10 1903 home on two machines, with january patch installed both are showing the 1909 feature update as optional but not the KB 4532695 “optional, non-security, C/D Week” patch,

      Figured was because the feature update was present as optional that other one was not showing

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    • #2137468 Reply

      jbargo
      AskWoody Plus

      Checking winver shows I have 1909 installed. But the desktop “widget” shows I am running with 190318-1202. Why is there a discrepancy?

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      • #2137512 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        You’re definitely running 1909.

        Where do you see 190318-1202? Is it possible you’re still in one of the beta testing Rings?

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      • #2137608 Reply

        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Desktop paint version is shown from BuildLabEx registry value under

        HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion

        they stopped updating that value since W10 v 1709 (meaning it always stays at RTM release version tag)

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        • #2138219 Reply

          Rick Corbett
          AskWoody_MVP

          Desktop paint version is shown from BuildLabEx registry value

          It looks like it’s the BuildLab value:

          win-10-desktop-paint

          (I haven’t found a way to get rid of the ‘Build ‘ text prefix. 🙁 )

          This inaccuracy is why I use a custom field in BgInfo to display the correct version/build/release info.

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    • #2137489 Reply

      shornoff
      AskWoody Plus

      I have Win 10 1903 (OS build 18362.592) I am being offered the update. I have not installed it!

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      • #2137513 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Could you take a screenshot of the Windows Update screen and post it?

        Many thanks!

    • #2137499 Reply

      G
      AskWoody Plus

      I have Win 10 Home 64-bit 1903 (OS build 18362.592). With PAUSE set, I see nothing being offered.

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    • #2137500 Reply

      FL Jack
      AskWoody Plus

      All 3 Windows 10 1903 machines show nothing for any updates and none have been installed since February 1.  All are now deferred until 2/23/2020.

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    • #2137510 Reply

      SteveG
      AskWoody Plus

      My Windows 10 Home 64-bit V 1903 (OS Build 18362.592) only shows “Feature update to Wondows 10 Version 1909” as an optional update.

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    • #2137511 Reply

      JC Zorkoff
      AskWoody Plus

      I have Win 10 1903 (OS build 18362.592) I am NOT being offered the KB4532695 update.

      I set the Quality update deferral to 9 and ran the Windows update manager and it showed a pending .NET update (KB4534132) and a Windows Defender definition update only.

       

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    • #2137514 Reply

      Sportsman
      AskWoody Lounger

      1903 Home, updates not deferred. Checked manually, no update available other than the recommended update to 1909.

      Windows 10 Home 64-bit

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    • #2137522 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      It’s still in the Micros0ft Update Catalog:
      https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=4532695

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    • #2137555 Reply

      Grond
      AskWoody Plus

      Win 10 1903 Pro (OS build 18362.592).
      Paused until 02-22-2020.
      I do not see the update offered.

      Edited to add: Nor have I seen it being offered since I updated to the January patches (KBs 4528760, 4532938, and 890830) on 01-25-2020.

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v1903 Desktop PC

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    • #2137565 Reply

      slatus
      AskWoody Plus

      Windows 10 Pro x64 Version 1903 Build 18362.592.

      I’m not seeing it.

      Updates are NOT deferred. I do have Windows set up to notify about updates, but not to install them.

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    • #2137566 Reply

      DriftyDonN
      AskWoody Plus

      Updates paused until 2/19, no sign of KB 4532695

      winver

      update-History-1

      1903-updates

      DriftyDonN

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    • #2137581 Reply

      anonymous

      2020-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64-based Systems (KB4532695)

      Successfully installed on 2020-01-29

    • #2137599 Reply

      sudo
      AskWoody Plus

      Don’t see that, and do not even see optional, non-security. Maybe because i have in update options “Receive updates for other Microsoft products when you update Windows”  Not selected. It’s a real head trip this updating process we have. Win 7 made it so much clearer.

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    • #2137622 Reply

      anonymous

      Win 10 home x64 version 1903 18362.592 only seeing the 1909 upgrade in the optional section.

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    • #2137644 Reply

      Tom-R
      AskWoody Plus

      Woody, I have two Win 10 Home x64 systems.   Both are Version 1903, OS Build 18362.592.   And both systems have the latest January Cumulative Update installed (KB4528760).

      One system shows “Feature update to Windows 10 Version 1909” as an optional update, with no other updates available.

      However, the other 1903 system does not show the 1909 Feature update.  Instead, that 2nd system shows KB4532695 as the only available optional update.

      I’ve attached a screenshot of the Windows Update screen.   Let me know if you have questions or need additional details.

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      • #2137657 Reply

        Matador
        AskWoody Plus

        Does your first system, the one showing “Feature update to Windows 10 Version 1909”

        have KB4534132 (.NET patch) installed?

        I installed this patch today and now have 1909 Feature update listed under the Optional Updates, yesterday it showed KB4532695 after Jan’s CU KB4528760 was installed along with KB4532938 (.NET patch), so what gives??

         

        • #2137680 Reply

          Tom-R
          AskWoody Plus

          Matador: Both 1903 systems have KB4534132 installed.  As far as recently installed Windows updates to these two systems, they are pretty much the same.  The only difference (as far as installed updates) is that the 1st system has KB4532938, while the 2nd system does not have it.  (The 2nd system was never offered that update.)

          Perhaps KB4532938 is the common thread here.  Maybe 1903 systems with KB4532938 get offered the Feature Update to 1909?  Whereas those without KB4532938 get offered the Cumulative Update KB4532695 instead?

          Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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    • #2137662 Reply

      Linda2019
      AskWoody Plus

      I have 1903, build 18362.592
      I have that optional update listed ..KB4532695 but I have lost the feature update to 1909 now

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    • #2137663 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      Not seeing it on my Home 1903 machine. It has other patches waiting – I have a metered connection.

      cheers, Paul

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      • #2137946 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        try un-metering it if it makes a difference, Paul T
        reboot afterwards

    • #2137668 Reply

      Andrew Wright
      AskWoody Plus

      I have Win10 version 1903 build (18362.592) and have no optional update listed on a Windows 10 Pro x64 laptop.

       

       

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      • #2137691 Reply

        Andrew Wright
        AskWoody Plus

        Sorry just checked. 4532938 was installed on 25/1/2020

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    • #2137670 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP

      Fresh

      After installing updates

      Another test

      installed KB4530684 (18362.535), and hiddden KB4528760 (18362.592)

      conclusion:

      – KB4532695 (18362.628) will be offered in two cases:

      1) KB4528760 is not installed + hidden

      2) KB4528760 is installed + 1909 Feature Update is not available (for whatever reason, e.g. not compatible, hardware blocked, appraiser data not sufficient… etc)

      – KB4532695 will be available behind the scenes even with fresh 1903 installation, but you can only show it using powershell or WuMgr

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      • #2137763 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        So THERE it is….

        • #2137779 Reply

          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          Is it likely this patching information will be included in Microsoft documentation?

          – Patches appear on random dates.
          – Patches are issued again and again.
          – Patches appear in the Windows Update Catalog, but not in the Windows Update Queue.
          – Patch documentation is incomplete.
          – Patches require “i” before “e” installation in order to install correctly.
          – Average person is unaware that patches have been issued with the same number.
          – Servicing Stack Updates must be treated differently.

          What do we know about the big, scary, exploited, emergency patched Internet Explorer security hole CVE-2019-1367?

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          Online▸ Win10Pro • 1909.18363.657 • x64 • i5-9400 • RAM8GB • HDD • CanonMG3620 • Firefox74.0b5 • Windows{Defender/SystemImage/RescueDisk/Firewall}
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      • #2138059 Reply

        Tom-R
        AskWoody Plus

        conclusion:
        – KB4532695 (18362.628) will be offered in two cases:
        1) KB4528760 is not installed + hidden
        2) KB4528760 is installed + 1909 Feature Update is not available (for whatever reason, e.g. not compatible, hardware blocked, appraiser data not sufficient… etc)

        The 1903 system where I have KB4528760 installed is a recently purchased (about 3 months old) Dell XPS 8930 desktop system (i7-9700 CPU, 16 GB RAM).  It came pre-installed with Win 10 version 1903.  It seems highly unlikely that this system would be incompatible or have its hardware blocked.  How is it possible that the 1909 Feature Update would not be made available or be offered for this system?

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        • #2138076 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          If you have any Pause or Feature deferral set, you may not see the 1909 Feature update.
          Have you installed the latest .NET update being offered through WU? There has been some indication that that may factor in also.

          • #2140857 Reply

            Tom-R
            AskWoody Plus

            If you have any Pause or Feature deferral set, you may not see the 1909 Feature update.
            Have you installed the latest .NET update being offered through WU? There has been some indication that that may factor in also.

            Neither system has any Pause or Feature deferral set; so that shouldn’t be a factor here as to why only one of the two systems is getting the offer to update to 1909.

            Also both systems have identical sets of .NET updates installed except as noted previously regarding KB4532938.  The 1st system (which has KB4532938) gets the offer to update to 1909.   Whereas the 2nd system (which does not have and was not offered KB4532938) is not being offered the 1909 update.

            So my current thinking here is that the presence or absence of KB4532938 is what determines whether or not a system gets offered the Feature update to 1909.  But then the question is why was KB4532938 offered to only the 1st system, and not to the 2nd one?

        • #2138078 Reply

          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          Who knows 🙂
          as you said, 2 systems, same edition and installed updates, yet 1909 is only offered for 1

          .NET and Flash updates have no effect on features updates
          but, different user configuration might have effect

          you could check and compare these registry keys between the two

          [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WaaSAssessment]

          [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsSelfHost\OneSettings]

          [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\PolicyState]

          [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\TargetVersionUpgradeExperienceIndicators]

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          • #2140860 Reply

            Tom-R
            AskWoody Plus

            you could check and compare these registry keys between the two
            [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WaaSAssessment]
            [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsSelfHost\OneSettings]
            [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\PolicyState]
            [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\TargetVersionUpgradeExperienceIndicators]

            Per your suggestion I checked and compared the above registry keys between the two systems, and this is what I found.

            [HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WaaSAssessment]:
            Almost all values are identical between the two systems except for these two: ETag (REG_SZ) and refreshAfter (REG_QWORD).  These two values are completely different between the two systems, and I have no idea how to interpret their meaning.

            [HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsSelfHost\OneSettings]:
            All values are identical between the two systems.

            [HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\PolicyState]:
            All values are identical between the two systems.

            [HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\TargetVersionUpgradeExperienceIndicators\UNV]:
            Many values in this key are different between the two systems. However these values all seem to be descriptors of various hardware characteristics (e.g., BIOS versions) and OEM settings.  So unless Microsoft is hardware blocking this 1903 system from updating to 1909, I don’t know why any of the values in this key would have any effect on whether or not the 1909 Feature update is getting offered to the system.

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            • #2141137 Reply

              abbodi86
              AskWoody_MVP

              Thanks for checking
              it was merely a suggeestion, no one really know what attributes could affect 1909 offer

      • #2138137 Reply

        DavidForrest57
        AskWoody Lounger

        My experience was a little different.

        On 9 February I resumed updates and installed (amongst others) KB4528760 CU for Win 10 Pro 1903 for x86-based systems, to give OS build 18362.592, and KB4532938 CU for .NET Framework.

        After rebooting, the optional KB4532695 showed up in Windows Update, but not the optional feature update to Windows 10, version 1909.

        I was specifically looking for the feature update, so I paused updates again and immediately resumed them. This resulted in me being offered the feature update to version 1909, but not KB4532695.

        After updating to Windows 10 version 1909 (OS build 18363.592) I was once again offered the optional update KB4532695 (which I haven’t installed).

        Updates are now paused until 10 March.

        I only use the pause function to control Windows Updates; I don’t use group policy settings or deferrals.

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    • #2137683 Reply

      migongo
      AskWoody Lounger

      KB 4532695 not offered. Upgrade to 1909 pending to install, not offered as optional update.

      Captura-de-pantalla-2

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      • #2137688 Reply

        Tom-R
        AskWoody Plus

        migongo: Does your system currently list KB4532938 in the list of installed updates?

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        • #2137717 Reply

          migongo
          AskWoody Lounger

          Tom, it doesn’t and it wasn’t offered in the updates.

           

    • #2137709 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      KB4532938

      I have the KB4532938 installed on my 1903 Pro. No KB4532695 or 1909 (feature updates differed to 120 days) offered.

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    • #2137736 Reply

      Wayne
      AskWoody Plus

      Will DEFCON  be dropped to 1 sometime today (it’s already noon here in Europe). Before I paused three times there was a NET update pending and the Optional Updates listed, but both have disappeared.

      Sorry if I’m off topic but updates start tomorrow, right?

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      • #2137750 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        You don’t see any updates because you Paused updates. They don’t show up if they are Paused.

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      • #2137776 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        MS-DEFCON will be dropped (raised?) to 2 around noon (Central US time) today. I mostly do that to warn folks who haven’t been following the steps in Computerworld – if you followed those steps correctly last month, you don’t need to do anything now.

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    • #2137872 Reply

      Linda2019
      AskWoody Plus

      Signed in again this morning.  Now, optional update KB 4532695 is gone and the optional feature update to go to 1909 has returned.

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