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Last time I ran my Win10 Home updates – it automatically installed 2004.  Today I went to double check that settings were paused so Win10 wouldn’t check for or install January updates.   My settings are set to pause until Feb 9, 2021, but Windows is checking for updates and seems hung up since it has run for 30 minutes looking for updates but doesn’t do anything… like it is hung up.

Do I have to do something different with 2004 to keep Windows from checking for updates or did Windows install an update with a bug in it?

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Windows will check for updates, but if you have Pause or deferrals set, it won’t find them until the delay period has ended.

See AKB2000016 Sections 2 and 5 for settings for Windows Update for v2004.

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PKCano wrote:

Windows will check for updates, but if you have Pause or deferrals set, it won’t find them until the delay period has ended.

See AKB2000016 Sections 2 and 5 for settings for Windows Update for v2004.

thanks – I have Win10 home.  Is this a wonderful new feature for 2004 – appearing to search for updates even though it isn’t really looking for any?  It wasn’t this way with 1909.   I’m getting too old for this.

I am not sure what the PowerShell copy the 2 lines of code you indicate in Section 2 will do but I copied the 2 lines of code and the Windows Update stopped running in an infinite loop looking for updates and now says it won’t check for updates until Feb 9, 2021.

Thanks

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PKCano wrote:

Windows will check for updates, but if you have Pause or deferrals set, it won’t find them until the delay period has ended.

See AKB2000016 Sections 2 and 5 for settings for Windows Update for v2004.

thanks – I have Win10 home.  Is this a wonderful new feature for 2004 – appearing to search for updates even though it isn’t really looking for any?  It wasn’t this way with 1909.   I’m getting too old for this.

I am not sure what the PowerShell copy the 2 lines of code you indicate in Section 2 will do but I copied the 2 lines of code and the Windows Update stopped running in an infinite loop looking for updates and now says it won’t check for updates until Feb 9, 2021.

Thanks

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I followed the steps in Section 2 in “See AKB2000016 Sections 2 and 5 for settings for Windows Update for v2004.” on January 11 when the DEFCON was 4.  Now today (January 31, 2021) Susan has changed DEFCON to 4 again.  When I pressed the “check for updates” now the Windows Update is just running and says “Checking for Updates” for over an hour.

What am I doing wrong now?  Wouldn’t the Windows Update check tell me that PC was up-to-date if I didn’t need to update anything?  Do I run the PowerShell code to Set the Target Release Version a second time?

 

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Use this video to verify your Registry settings are correct.

If they are not, you need to correct them – See https://www.askwoody.com/2021/tasks-for-the-weekend-january-30-2021/

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PKCano wrote:

Use this video to verify your Registry settings are correct.

If they are not, you need to correct them – See https://www.askwoody.com/2021/tasks-for-the-weekend-january-30-2021/

I matched what Susan had in the second part of her video, but I am using Win10 Home and don’t have Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) so I couldn’t check for that (at the beginning of the video said this was only for Win10 Professional.  I am not sure if Home users are supposed to have gpedit.msc or not.  Thanks

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They do not have the group policy editor, that’s only for Pro.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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They do not have the group policy editor, that’s only for Pro.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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Susan Bradley wrote:

They do not have the group policy editor, that’s only for Pro.

yes – that I understand, but it still doesn’t get me any closer to figuring out why I can’t get any Win10 Home updates since I upgraded to 2004.

I know you favor spending an extra $100 and switching to Win10, but I don’t have an extra $100 right now – so I am hoping someone can help figure out what the heck is wrong or needs to be fixed.

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When you go into update history, what does it show there?

also click on start, settings (gear) then on system, scroll down to about.  What OS build does it say you have?

Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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Susan Bradley wrote:

When you go into update history, what does it show there?

also click on start, settings (gear) then on system, scroll down to about.  What OS build does it say you have?

Here’s everything in About (just in case it tells you something)

Windows 10 Home

Version 2004

Installed on 1/4/2021

OS Build 19041.685

Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.551.0

Thanks Susan.

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The video also shows the Registry settings that Home has to have and how for find them.
It is the Registry settings you need to check.

There is also a scteenshot of where they are in AKB2000016 the second screenshot in #2286499.

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Do you know if you deferred “quality” updates also known as security updates for a period of time?

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The video also shows the Registry settings that Home has to have and how for find them.
It is the Registry settings you need to check.

There is also a scteenshot of where they are in AKB2000016 the second screenshot in #2286499.

my registry settings match the video Susan posted for TargetReleaseSetting and your AKB2000016 article – the second screenshot in #2286499.

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Susan Bradley wrote:

Do you know if you deferred “quality” updates also known as security updates for a period of time?

Susan Bradley wrote:

deferred “quality” updates

I am using Win10 Home so I don’t have the option to defer “quality” updates – but I always pause updates for the maximum number of days of possible and then “check for updates” when AskWoody says it is safe to update.  After I install the updates I then “pause” the updates again until the next time AskWoody says it is safe.

Does Win10 Home check for updates only after the “paused” time runs out or can’t I override the pause and check for updates?

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The updates won’t show up as long as you computer is Paused.
Turn ON Metered connections.
Click Resume Updates.
Use wushowhide to hide the updates you don’t want.
Wait till Windows Update scans again on its own to be sure the updates you don’t want are gone from the list.
Turn Metered connections OFF and let the computer update.

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PKCano wrote:

The updates won’t show up as long as you computer is Paused.
Turn ON Metered connections.
Click Resume Updates.
Use wushowhide to hide the updates you don’t want.
Wait till Windows Update scans again on its own to be sure the updates you don’t want are gone from the list.
Turn Metered connections OFF and let the computer update.

let me try that.  Question – where can I download a safe version of wushowhide?  The link in your AKB2000016 article doesn’t work anymore and the link from Microsoft Windows wushowhide gives a 404 error.

 

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MajorGeeks is safe.
From MajorGeeks, not the Author’s site.

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PKCano wrote:

The updates won’t show up as long as you computer is Paused.
Turn ON Metered connections.
Click Resume Updates.
Use wushowhide to hide the updates you don’t want.
Wait till Windows Update scans again on its own to be sure the updates you don’t want are gone from the list.
Turn Metered connections OFF and let the computer update.

Thanks PKCano – this worked great.  I resumed updates last night and just searched for updates until I turned off my PC and went to bed.  This morning I turned it on and an hour later it started to download and install the updates.

I have turned the Metered connections off .  Am I supposed to keep metered connections off and not “Pause Updates” anymore?  Will these keep my from having future updates installed automatically?

When I was on 1909 and still using the default Target Release Version – everything was simple:

1 Pause updates until AskWoody gives the go ahead

2 Check for updates

3 Turn pause back on.

Now with 2004 after I updated TRV I have to do:

The updates won’t show up as long as you computer is Paused.
Turn ON Metered connections.
Click Resume Updates.
Use wushowhide to hide the updates you don’t want.
Wait till Windows Update scans again on its own to be sure the updates you don’t want are gone from the list.
Turn Metered connections OFF and let the computer update.

Is the change in how to check for updates due to me changing the TVR from the original install default setting to 2004?  Why can’t it be simple like was for 1909?

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You can leave metered on, but you have to click to download and install – saves pausing. Up to you.

Setting TRV does not affect how updates/patches are applied, it only limits the update version.

cheers, Paul

 

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You can leave metered on, but you have to click to download and install – saves pausing. Up to you.

Setting TRV does not affect how updates/patches are applied, it only limits the update version.

cheers, Paul

 

Thanks Paul T – I was wondering what the purpose of the metered connections was for – other than to trigger the updates now that I turned off “pause checking for updates”

Good to learn something new after 40 years.  Programming with keypunch cards were so much easier than trying to out what the heck Microsoft is doing sometimes – and how to get around it.

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[Cijan]

I am on Win 10 v1909 Home. Am doing prep work for upgrade to v2004.
I have already installed Jan updates, done backups/restore pts/created a USB recovery drive.
I have hidden the only update waiting (the Intel System – 2040 one) via WUShowHide.

I have a couple of questions:

1. I am torn between the 2 update methods:
ISO method (have the Oct download, so I know I will have to apply the Jan 2021 Cum Updates) and the TRV/Let Windows update itself. Some say this is slower, but I am in control of when the update occurs and can babysit it.
OR
Let Windows Update do it automatically which sounds faster, but it seems from many comments that people are waiting for the update to kick in. In other words the Windows Update voodoo means it’s a bit unpredictable when the update will actually start. Or is this due to missed steps with the TRV/WUShowHide?

2. Right now I have the TRV set to 1909 (used Susan’s handy 1909.reg file). Can I just run the Susan’s 2004.reg file to reset TRV to 2004, or do I need to get rid of/blank out the current TRV=1909 reg entry first?

I should also say I’ve got metered connection set after running WUSHowHide, and reset the pause on updates to March after installing the Jan updates (I use manual process of installing the MasterPatch List recommended KBs).

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Leave the Metered connection ON.
Run Susan’s 2004 reg file to set TRV. It will overwrite the 1909 one.
Resume Updates (turn off the Pause).
Immediately restart the computer – WU will fail when you do.
Use wushowhidide to hide anything that shows up in Windows Update that you don’t want.
Wait for WU to scan on it’s own.
You should have the  2004 Feature Update in Windows Update – turn off Metered connections and install it.

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Leave the Metered connection ON.
Run Susan’s 2004 reg file to set TRV. It will overwrite the 1909 one.
Resume Updates (turn off the Pause).
Immediately restart the computer – WU will fail when you do.
Use wushowhidide to hide anything that shows up in Windows Update that you don’t want.
Wait for WU to scan on it’s own.
You should have the  2004 Feature Update in Windows Update – turn off Metered connections and install it.

Cjian – I did this and it worked great.

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Ok, thanks guys. How long did you have to ‘wait for WU to scan’?

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Cijan wrote:

Ok, thanks guys. How long did you have to ‘wait for WU to scan’?

It didn’t happen until the next day – about an hour after I turned my computer on.

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[Cijan]

Well, this is a PITA. I think I prefer the ISO method.
I’ve followed the instructions, but I guess I’m not patient enough for the ‘WAIT’.

I went to look at Settings/Windows Update, and it went and showed the 2004 Feature as well as the items I had hidden as available and started to download them (recognized the metered connection and stopped there). I had forgotten the step of clearing the WUCache (as in topic 2000013) and deleted the files in the SoftwareDist/Download folder.

Right now I have WUservice set to manual and stopped, metered connection on, and have hidden what I don’t want with WUShowHide. Updates are not paused.

Am I supposed to resist the urge to go to Settings/Windows Update?
How does it actually kick start the download and install of 2004?
Will I just find my computer is randomly installing at some point in the next 3 days when I want to use it???

Another question – I’ve always disabled the AV (Norton) during the ISO method because I’m doinng it offline. Does the AV affect this Windows Update method at all?

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Leave Metered connections ON.
Restart your computer.
Wait for WU to scan on its own.
If 2004 is the only thing there, turn off Metered connections and let it install.

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Too late! No patience here. I clicked on the download and it appears to be downloading along with the hidden items.

Is it normal for the Feature download to go up in percent and then seem to start back at a lower percent? I.E. are there multiple downloads for the 2004 Feature?

Can I just uninstall KB4023057 and KB 4535680 after the upgrade (via uninstall updates from WU or control panel?)?

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Depending on the date of the 2004 update you may need only one or two patches post update.
Don’t remove any patches after the update, let Windows manage it.

cheers, Paul

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Cijan wrote:

Is it normal for the Feature download to go up in percent and then seem to start back at a lower percent? I.E. are there multiple downloads for the 2004 Feature?

What you are probably seeing here is the (not listed) SSU installing first, then the upgrade installing.
That’s a guess at what’s happening.

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Thanks for the input/advice folks.
Upgrade was successful on Feb 6 to V 2004 Build 19041.746. Still a mystery why hidden updates were ignored despite clearing the WUCache and checking WUShowHide repeatedly.
No harm done as everything seems to be running fine.

I did have to go back and disable some of the services that were previously disabled like Application Experience/Telemetry.

I am trying to search this site for a list of post-upgrade tweaks (like the telemetry one) that I thought someone had created (for performance, security, etc) Can anyone point me to that?

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Cijan wrote:

post-upgrade tweaks

O&O ShutUp10
Spybot AntiBeacon
etc
https://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/

cheers, Paul

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Thanks for the suggested privacy tools, Paul T, I’ll look into them. I was actually looking for a list of services that are either resource hogs, unnecessary, etc. Telemetry was just an example. I thought someone had posted something like that … it may have included search, xbox/other apps MS is pushing, fast start and so on.

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See this post for some app / service removal suggestions.
#2339505

cheers, Paul

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Thanks Paul.
I thought there was a (powershell?) script someone had created to identify what MS apps are installed and another one you could tweak to remove the ones you don’t want? Or is everyone using these tools now? I was hoping to avoid installing more apps!

I have meanwhile turned off Fast Startup, Search Indexing to improve performance (hopefully).

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Searching for Get-AppxPackage.
#2342439
#2294786
#208701
#99873

cheers, Paul

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Thanks Paul. That is exactly what I was looking for, but I didn’t hit on the right search terms!

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OK, there is absolutely no reason to wait for Windows to re-scan.

With metered connections on
Press pause updates then immediately press Resume Updates.

This will trigger a check for updates and clear the queue.

Then when you check WU only the updates that you want should be present,

go ahead and turn metered connection off.

Let it do its thing and update.

Turn metered back on prior to the restart.

 

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What you describe is what I expected yet it kept offering me more than what I wanted – including the hidden updates. Must be a timing thing because it didn’t offer hidden driver updates, thankfully.

For now Metered connection is on, updates are paused until March.
In following article 2000013 (clearing WU cache), does one ALWAYS leave the Windows Update service stopped and set to manual? I think MS must have flipped that back on after the last upgrade to 1909 and I didn’t notice.

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Cijan wrote:

What you describe is what I expected yet it kept offering me more than what I wanted – including the hidden updates.

If you used wushowhide to hide updates that app isn’t to be trusted.
Use wumgr or wumt instead.

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After reading Susan’s Tasks for the Weekend Feb 6 – it makes sense. Too bad I was already in upgrade process when she wrote that :)!

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There is nothing wrong with wushowhide.

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I second that, no problems using it, should be in everybody’s toolbox

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