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      • #2344295
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2344304
        anonymous
        Guest

        I am on 20H2 Home version and I got this update this morning. I got the regular Defender definitions update and this one. But it did not install automatically. The definitions did (they always do), but the Flash removal update showed it was available to download. I did go ahead and click download and let it install. It did not ask for a reboot after installing.

      • #2344313
        howardagoldberg
        AskWoody Plus

        On my 1909 system, when clicking ‘Check for Updates’ last night, it was downloaded and installed – no option given.

        On my 20H2 system – last night, the ‘Flash’ settings app was still in the Control Panel (legacy), and check for updates showed nothing. Just now, checked for updates again, nothing. But went to the Control Panel, and the Flash settings app was gone. Going to ‘View History’ in WU, under ‘other updates,’ it shows the removal update (KB4577586) was installed today (sometime between 6:30 a.m. and 1:00 p.m.) – completely silently, and no reboot requested/required.

        So … does not seem like an optional update. More so, on my 20H2 system, it installed without any user interaction whatsoever.

        It’s good by me Flash is gone – but this is not the behavior MS describes as the update should follow. And of course, continues begging the question how much control over updates we really have regardless of our settings.

        • #2344343
          Seff
          AskWoody Plus

          Never “check for updates” if you aren’t ready and willing to install whatever updates are found.

        • #2344344
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          You can never ever “check for updates”.  It doesn’t “check” … it “installs”.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2344353
            howardagoldberg
            AskWoody Plus

            Susan,

            Generally, I agree with you regarding ‘check for updates.’ In this case though, there should be an ‘optional updates’ section where this would fall.

            And with my 20H2 machine, as I said, it was installed with zero user interaction. Any time I checked for updates, the update was not offered, and the result of the check was ‘up to date.’ The Flash removal KB was installed completely silently.

      • #2344318
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        how much control over updates we really have regardless of our settings.

        Just the amount Microsoft is willing to give, disregard, or take away.
        Microsoft has full ‘front door’ into Windows OS.

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      • #2344351
        jayinalaska
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10 Pro, 20H2: The update is respecting my deferral settings. I’m not seeing it here.

      • #2344383
        redknight
        AskWoody Plus

        I received KB4577586 (both 1909 and 2004).  It showed up when doing a routine wushowhide.  I hid it.  Do I install it (is it safe to install) or do I keep it forever hidden?

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by redknight.
      • #2344391
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        You need to install it. It will get rid of Flash Player that is embedded in 1909 and 2004. Flash Player is EOL so a potential security risk and should be removed.

        You also need to make sure Flash Player is removed from all browsers used on both 1909 and 2004.

      • #2344401
        Bob99
        AskWoody Plus

        I just got it, and it didn’t force a reboot. 20H2 19042.746 x64 Pro. Installed via WU.

        I rebooted anyway out of habit. No ill effects nor side effects so far.

        My 2¢ worth.

      • #2344431
        Pixie
        AskWoody Plus

        I am on 2004 with WU deferred.    If I resume click on resume updates to get this update that removes Flash, it will download and install all Febr updates. Is that is what being recommended NOW because of Flash?   I recall several weeks ago reading we could remove Flash manually or wait until the update came out that would remove it automatically.  I chose to wait for auto removal.  Is there a risk waiting another week to update and remove Flash?

         

      • #2344436
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I received KB4577586 (both 1909 and 2004).  It showed up when doing a routine wushowhide.  I hid it.  Do I install it (is it safe to install) or do I keep it forever hidden?

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by redknight.

        It is safe to install.

      • #2344439
        Pixie
        AskWoody Plus

        Alex, if I install Flash update, all the other WU that are deferred will also install.  All are being deferred presently.  So are you saying it’s safe to install Febr updates?

      • #2344440
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Is there a risk waiting another week to update and remove Flash?

        There is no risk in waiting.

        There are 2 Flash uninstall steps needed :

        1. Adobe Flash browsers uninstall
        2.Microsoft Flash browser (IE11/Edge) uninstall KB4577586.

      • #2344441
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        So are you saying it’s safe to install Febr updates?

        No.
        KB4577586 is safe to install.

        You can wait until MS-DEFCON = 3/4.
        You download and install KB4577586 manually.
        You can hide all other Feb. updates apart from KB4577586 using WUmgr, WUmt..

        • #2344443
          Pixie
          AskWoody Plus

          Thank you Alex.  I may wait a week or two then unless it’s critical we update now.

      • #2344462
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP
      • #2344463
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        Susan,

        Generally, I agree with you regarding ‘check for updates.’ In this case though, there should be an ‘optional updates’ section where this would fall.

        And with my 20H2 machine, as I said, it was installed with zero user interaction. Any time I checked for updates, the update was not offered, and the result of the check was ‘up to date.’ The Flash removal KB was installed completely silently.

        well KB4577586 is no longer an optional update as of mid-February 2021
        MS didn’t update that support article to reflect that

      • #2344503
        Tex265
        AskWoody Plus

        OK, so I installed the KB update, the Control Panel icon is gone, and each browser shows Flash gone on the Adobe site, but I still have the Adobe and Macromedia folders with some sub-folders (most empty) under %appdata% Roaming folder.

        So simply manually delete these 2 Main Folders with remaining content?

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v20H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2344524
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        So simply manually delete these 2 Main Folders with remaining content?

        I left the folders in place but deleted the files inside.
        The KB update is just for removing Flash from IE11 and Edge.
        In order to remove flash from other browsers you need to uninstall Flash with Adobe uninstaller.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Alex5723.
        • #2344538
          Tex265
          AskWoody Plus

          The KB update is just for removing Flash from IE11 and Edge.

          All I had was/is IE11, Latest Edge (chredge), and Firefox (which never had it).  According to the  Flash website none of the 3 have Flash but those (mostly empty) folders still remained after installing the KB.

          Windows 10 Pro x64 v20H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
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      • #2344541
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        but those (mostly empty) folders still remained after installing the KB.

        Microsoft always fails with uninstalling software leaving Leftover files behind.

        • #2344663
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          MS is not alone in this.
          If the program creates files/folders/registry entries outside the installer, e.g. during use, the installer can’t know about these and therefore cannot remove them.

          cheers, Paul

      • #2344665
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        MS is not alone in this.
        If the program creates files/folders/registry entries outside the installer, e.g. during use, the installer can’t know about these and therefore cannot remove them.

        cheers, Paul

        3rd party uninstallers will search and remove orphaned folders, registry entries… if a small developer can do it, 166,475 Microsoft employees should too.

      • #2344687
        anonymous
        Guest

        i guess reboot is only needed when Flash-Plugin is active, e.g when IE is opened while update is installed.

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      • #2344774
        anonymous
        Guest

        I need my Flash player for my bank log in and other finical sites. how to stop this from being removed? I already had to spend time with my bank to unblock after 1/12/2021. The bank is planning to move to something else in 6 month or so. Other option is to install older version of a player on WIndows 7 or Xp or will it be removed as well on those OS?

        • #2344780
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          I’d be talking to your bank.  They knew this was coming for years.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #2344793
          Bob99
          AskWoody Plus

          Instead of talking with your bank, I’d be looking for a new financial institution instead. As Susan said just above, they’ve known about this since Adobe put out the notice about discontinuing support for Flash back in 2017, nearly four years ago by now. That’s more than enough time for establishments that play such a central role in peoples’ lives to come up with an HTML5-based alternative to Flash content.

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        • #2344805
          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          even if you don’t install the Removal update, Adobe Flash will stop working by itself (or already have)
          it has timebomb since June 2020 release

      • #2344940
        anonymous
        Guest

        Bank provide a work around and Flash is still work now in Feb 2021. i will have to call them again and get help to not remove flash player now in Windows 10.

      • #2345090
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        apparently the “forced” KB4577586 flash removal update from WU (or auto updates) seems to occur only with Win10 versions 1809 (incl. LTSC 2019 which was offered the KB4577586 update during a recent WU search) and greater. KB4577586 is not offered thru WU if running Win10 versions 1803 or older. doing a recent WU check on an old Win10 LTSB 2016 (v1607) system did not offer the KB4577586 update for that version.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by EP.
        • #2345131
          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          Yes, apparently MS push updates for those downlevel Windows only on Patch Tuesday 🙂
          likewise Windows 8/8.1

          this is began when the COVID-19 thing paused non security updates for All Windows for few months
          after they resumed them, only W10 1809 and later get non patch tuesday updates

      • #2346050
        opti1
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m doing initial set up prep on a Win10 1909 PC that has not yet been connected online.

        I ran the Adobe uninstall which removed Flash from the list of apps. When I try to manually delete all the additional files from the four folders Adobe says to remove from I get the ‘You need permissions from the TrustedInstaller to delete these files’ message.

        I’ve found a couple of articles that show how to change permissions on the files\folders so that I can delete them. But I’m wondering, should I just wait and let KB4577586 clean things up and do it for me?

        Also, I assume this deleting of files in the four folders listed by Adobe needs to be done in the Admin account as well as my standard user account. Is that correct?

        Thanks!

        • #2346220
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Do not change permissions, they are set that way for a reason.
          Let Windows patches do the work.

          cheers, Paul

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