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    • #175881 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Microsoft no longer installs the Win7 March Monthly Rollup automatically, but KB 4088875 is still available in the Update Catalog. Aren’t you glad you
      [See the full post at: Buggy Windows 7 Monthly Rollup KB 4088875 — no acknowledgment from Microsoft]

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    • #175885 Reply

      anonymous

      Were the amount of complains bigger or smaller before the “Rollup updates” and “WaaS” were introduced?

      I have KB4088875 installed while it was still available and checked by default, no problems so far, just like with the BIOS update for my ASRock motherboard that I had that was pulled as well (there’s now a newer fixed BIOS so no big deal), didn’t get any BSODs.

      Regardless, I can’t trust anyone at this point! I’ll just stay here with my Win7 and 98SE…and later I’ll just install Arch Linux and will deal with even more problems. I have a feeling Linux problems are….more tolerable than Windows problems.

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      • #175947 Reply

        Ascaris
        AskWoody MVP

        If you are not already aware of whether Linux problems are or are not more tolerable than Windows ones, Arch is probably not the distro of choice.  Someone the other day remarked that Windows was like a Lego set while Linux was like a mixture of bricks… in that analogy, Arch would be like bags of plastic pellets, molds for the bricks, and an injection molding press.

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        • #176404 Reply

          anonymous

          I do have experience with Linux in general, never used Linux on my main PC though and as a daily OS. I do like tweaking though, so Arch is best option. I never used XP without nLite, and will definitely do NTLite for my daily Windows 7…

      • #175997 Reply

        lurks about
        AskWoody Lounger

        I use Manjaro and Antergos, both Arch derivatives. I the only update issues I have had is with AUR packages (user maintained, semi-official repository). Mostly these issues have been not having proper credentials loaded or incorrect hashes for the package. When this happens, the update stops, allowing to sort out the problem with a still functioning system.

        Also, patches are never installed automatically but only after you have given positive approval. The Arch online documentation is very detailed.

      • #176060 Reply

        anonymous

        IOW, ArchLinux and Debian are for tech-geeks.

    • #175907 Reply

      MrBrian
      AskWoody MVP

      The fact that a given update is unticked by default in Windows Update doesn’t necessarily mean that those getting updates automatically aren’t getting the update.

      • #175911 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        How so?

        Latest reports say that the patch doesn’t even show up in Important. But it’s still in the Catalog.

        Wonder if it’s in WSUS?

        • #175914 Reply

          MrBrian
          AskWoody MVP

          Whether a given update is ticked by default in Windows Update apparently is a different setting than whether the given update installs automatically. I also made the mistake of conflating the two in the past.

        • #175917 Reply

          MrBrian
          AskWoody MVP

          As of about 10 minutes ago, KB4088875 is listed for me in Windows Update as an unticked-by-default update. It’s possible that others might not see KB4088875 at all due to Microsoft’s metadata, which was apparently changed for KB4088875 on March 14. (March 14 is the date listed for KB4088875 in the Catalog.)

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        • #175938 Reply

          anonymous

          As of now, 10:20 Pacific time, the March Windows 7  Monthly Roll-up, KB4088875, does not show up on my Windows 7 computer through Windows Update.  All previous monthly roll-ups have installed without any problems.

          KB2952664 now for the first time shows up as important and is checked.

        • #175939 Reply

          anonymous

          Still showing in my WSUS list, listed as “Important.”

      • #175913 Reply

        MrBrian
        AskWoody MVP

        I know this because I observed it with other update(s). I started a topic about it at AskWoody around a year ago, probably posted as anonymous.

      • #175925 Reply

        MrBrian
        AskWoody MVP

        Whether a given update is automatically ticked by default in Windows Update might be determined by the given update’s property AutoSelectOnWebSites or AutoSelection. Whether a given update is automatically downloaded and installed apparently is determined by a different property – perhaps the AutoDownload property. For update properties, also click on IUpdate, IUpdate2, IUpdate3, IUpdate4, and IUpdate5 at Windows Update Agent (WUA) API Reference.

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        • #175992 Reply

          Jan K.
          AskWoody Lounger

          Am I the only one missing a button?

          At the bottom of the above (interesting!) links, I see a question “Is ths page helpful” with a “yes” and a “no” button…

          Instead I would like to see “Is this page” and then 3 buttons, “Helpful”, “Not helpful”, “Scary”.

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          • #176011 Reply

            anonymous

            You forgot “headache”. 🙂

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    • #175909 Reply

      laidbacktokyo
      AskWoody Lounger

      Well,  as usual I gave KB4088875 a try install thru win7sp1x64 update center, and surprisingly towards a topic of this thread I must report that it seems performing better than all of its 5 predecessors of 2018 including KB4091290.

      One of issues reported by me earlier here:

      https://www.askwoody.com/2018/microsoft-releases-kb-4091290-a-fix-for-the-win7-server-2008r2-scard_e_no_service-bug/#post-171682

      as dwm.exe irregular error in logs has expectedly gone due to some windows graphics component refresh included, but the 2nd one as the same irregular and annoying leftovers of the already closed windows in win7 taskbar is yet present, although again it occurs less frequently than before.

      Also:

      I use static IP but can’t report any issues here, and while I don’t use VMware VBox performs just fine.

      KB4088875 doesn’t contain any microcode updates for older CPUs like Intel T9500 CPUID 10676.

      Anyhow now it’s removed & put to hidden list but I bet that any coming March Preview of Rollup will likely be acceptable for a permanent deployment.

      Rgds,

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    • #175915 Reply

      MrJimPhelps
      AskWoody MVP

      A Stop error occurs if this update is applied to a 32-Bit (x86) machine with the Physical Address Extension (PAE) mode disabled.

      This might be a good thing. PAE mode has been around for a long time, so there has been plenty of time for someone to have enabled PAE mode on their computer. As I recall, PAE mode is designed to provide more security against malware. So I would ask, why hasn’t PAE mode been talked about much over the years, not only by Microsoft, but also by others? In all honesty, this is the first time I have heard much about PAE mode and the security benefits of it.

      Something like this — a patch which has security benefits, but also has the potential for causing problems — makes a strong case for the way Microsoft used to do patching — as individual patches, rather than as one big rollup. In this way, someone could decide if they want that patch or not.

      Group "L" (Linux Mint), with Windows 8.1 running in a VM.

      • #175935 Reply

        anonymous

        The reason is that PAE is not talked about much is that the PAE mode is generally not a relevant option anymore for most systems.  It is almost always on or superseded.

        1. The standard 64-bit setup for long addresses (64 bits) already has a PAE like structure as part of the design.
        2. Windows has required PAE since Windows 8, effectively meaning they drop support for non-PAE entirely when Windows 7 goes EOL.  Additionally 7 will enable it automatically if DEP is enabled using hardware support.
        3. Most Linux distributions have a kernel which enables PAE by default as long as the system is capable of using it.
        4. Macs have supported PAE since Tiger, as of Lion 32-bit operation is no longer supported.

        In other words most systems either enforce / default to PAE or use an addressing mode designed for 64-bit which has the same benefits already.

        The whole thing is just another example of Microsoft not testing patches on more unusual or niche setups, in this case older machines.

         

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      • #176071 Reply

        anonymous

        Any processor that supports the NX/XD bit will have PAE mode enabled by default in 32-bit mode. Even the old Pentium M supports XD, so it runs in PAE mode on XP SP2 or later.

        So the only users who I think would be affected by this bug would be those who intentionally disabled PAE for whatever reason, or those with very old setups such as Athlon XP or Pentium 4 processors.

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        • #176102 Reply

          EP
          AskWoody Lounger

          not all Pentium Ms & Pentium 4s have XD & PAE support, mr anonymous.

          many of the “Prescott” & “Cedar Mill” series of P4s have XD & PAE support:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4
          the early series like “Willamette”, “Northwood” & “Gallatin” don’t have XD and PAE support.

          Certain “Dothan” series of 32bit Pentium Ms have XD & PAE support (starting from 730 to 780):
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_M
          The “Banias” series do not have XD support.

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          • #176138 Reply

            anonymous

            Hence why I said that Pentium 4 users would be affected. Only the later ones support NX.

    • #175934 Reply

      David F
      AskWoody Lounger

      I just checked and I’m still seeing it here unticked (In UK)

      • #175983 Reply

        Heavenly
        AskWoody Lounger

        I just checked and it has disappeared from  the updates awaiting to be installed I only have the  Windows malicious tool  remover left  ticked up awaiting to be installed. KB 4088875 was there ticked up on the 14th but today the 15th it has gone  (I am in UK)

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    • #175940 Reply

      Robboj
      AskWoody Lounger

      On 12th I tested KB4088875 in my Group A Win7 32bit test machine and couldn’t find any faults.
      So this morning I installed in all my Win7 Group A Win 7 32bit and 64 bit machines.
      Again Ive not seen any problems.
      Why not live dangerously, like me and install KB4088875.
      Your PC is only a machine that can be repaired.

      • #175988 Reply

        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Lounger

        That depends on how much you have at stake. I’m just a little old lady who lives alone and thinks technology’s wonderful when it works, but what skills I have are all self-taught. Because I co-ordinate a voluntary organisation, I spend a large part of each day pouring over a hot computer. If it does what I want, I’m happy, but a software problem beyond my ken can bring everything to a halt and my only recourse is to call in a P.C. technician. Before evolving a ‘Group B’ approach, I found myself ringing my local computer engineer so regularly he started arriving with a bunch of flowers, clearly getting the wrong message. I now consult somebody else who is happily married, but – Heaven knows! – I infinitely prefer to avoid the stress and expense by keeping all updates to an essential minimum. The system seems to be working.

         

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    • #175945 Reply

      BobbyB
      AskWoody Lounger

      KB4088875 appeared Tuesday in Win7x86 & 64 machines, and promptly disappeared today when a check for updates was run. The Win7x86 never shuts down as a rule and it had already gone.

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      • #175961 Reply

        Bill C.
        AskWoody Lounger

        It has disappeared here also. Win7-64Pro_SP1.

      • #176471 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @bobbyb:   This question is one which I should have asked the first time I saw it listed.

        Exactly what is:

        Spectre and Meltdown

        I have no idea what it is, however have tried to keep up with the various messages posted here.   Thank you to all!

        • #176473 Reply

          woody
          Da Boss

          Good explainer here:

          https://blog.barkly.com/meltdown-spectre-bugs-explained

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          • #176478 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @woody:  Thank you so much for the link.    I intend to read it thoroughly, and hopefully I will understand exactly what this (Spectre and Meltdown) is.   I’m Win 7, Home Prem., x64, no sophisticated programs running that I am aware of.   Group A.  Have not checked the updates for a few days however I have not seen that KB4088875 listed in any updates I have done previously  (up to March 10th).

            Thank you once again for your help.  Hoping that “someday” I will have the ability to understand more.      We all appreciate your outstanding help  – – – – It is truly WONDERFUL!    🙂

             

    • #175950 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Lounger

      I don’t know if it is checked or unchecked now, because I have, as invariably with all and any previous such rollups, hidden this as soon as it showed up.

      As in the past, I’ll later install the Win 7 SP1, x64 Security Only and the IE11 Security Cumulative from the Catalog. The MS Malware Removal Tool, the .Net and Office patches now being offered to me by Windows Update (set to: tell me about the patches, but let me decided when and what to install), I’ll install later, when the cries of the badly injured and the dying are heard no more.

      Don’t agree with my approach?

      So sue me.

      Be Group B, or die!

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    • #175974 Reply

      rontpxz81
      AskWoody Lounger

      KB4088875 appeared in my Windows Update for Windows 7 64 bit yesterday March 14, 2018, listed as Important.  Installed, no problems I’m aware of yet.

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    • #175951 Reply

      anonymous

      On 3/14/18, I installed KB4088875 for Windows 7 since it was shown as “important”. Today, when I tried to access a website I have always used, I see a message that says “this page can’t be display”. When I try to “fix” the connection problems, I see the following: “The remote device or resource won’t accept the connection.” Is it possible that this update could be causing the problem? It doesn’t matter which browser I use. The link/website will not open. Actually, there a other websites that I’m also having the same issue with. I use my desktop PC for personal use only and I don’t know what could be causing this problem. Any feedback would be appreciated. HELP!!

      • #175995 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        Can you share the web site?  I would use a service like https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ to check if it’s them or you.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #175998 Reply

      Jan K.
      AskWoody Lounger

      On 12th I tested KB4088875 in my Group A Win7 32bit test machine and couldn’t find any faults.
      So this morning I installed in all my Win7 Group A Win 7 32bit and 64 bit machines.
      Again Ive not seen any problems.
      Why not live dangerously, like me and install KB4088875.
      Your PC is only a machine that can be repaired.

      Eerh… of course you’re right. Only a machine and nobody gets killed or wounded and it usually can be “unpatched” in so or so many minutes/hours…

      But if you have work to do and/or clients are waiting, then it may be a bit irritating not being able to. Been there, done that…

      Big fan of a boring and un-adventful life. Ms-Defcon system helps, Ms does not…

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    • #176002 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody MVP

      They did acknowledge the issue in article:

      A new Ethernet virtual Network Interface Card (vNIC) may be created with default settings in place of the previously existing vNIC, causing network issues after applying this update. Any custom settings on the previous vNIC are still persisted in the registry but unused.
      Apply the resolution documented in KB3125574 (Convenience Rollup) for Known issue 1:

      IP address settings are lost after applying this update.
      Microsoft is working on a resolution and will provide an update in an upcoming release.

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      • #176287 Reply

        OscarCP
        AskWoody Lounger

        “Microsoft is working on a resolution and will provide an update in an upcoming release.”

        Well, OK, good for them: that keeps them occupied, out of trouble and in gainful employment, I suppose.

         

    • #176005 Reply

      anonymous

      “Microsoft no longer installs the Windows 7 March Monthly Rollup automatically, but KB 4088875 is still available in the Update Catalog. Aren’t you glad you held off on patching this month?”

      No, I installed it, it works fine. Everyone except Woody seems to think the problems only effect servers configured with fixed IP addresses.

      • #176223 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Everyone except Woody seems to think the problems only effect servers configured with fixed IP addresses.

        See Microsoft’s acknowledgment of the problem.

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        • #176362 Reply

          anonymous

          Where is this acknowledgement?

          You still can’t expect me to regret installing it. It didn’t break my laptop, didn’t break my desktop and didn’t break my 32 bit Windows VM on my desktop either.

    • #175948 Reply

      anonymous

      It looks like it has been pulled, no longer showing up on my unpatched Windows 7 machines.

    • #175954 Reply

      anonymous

      Hi our till systems works on Win 7 32bit but when the patch KB4088875 was installed the system started up and after a minute or 2 the start rebooting.

      Starting in save mode and uninstalling the patch leaves us with a very slow sytem.

    • #175994 Reply

      anonymous

      Win7ProX86 Group “B” KB408875 disappeared today too, and remains “disappeared”…but KB4075211 (Feb Preview rollup) appeared as “optional”…Bizzare.  Going to wait another few days until everything stops “changing”…I know, “You may wait longtime….”   ..Dreamtime?  MS is making me crazy.

    • #176087 Reply

      MrBrian
      AskWoody MVP

      Testing within past hour: On a virtual machine, this update is not listed in Windows Update. On my physical computer, this update is listed but unticked by default in Windows Update.

    • #176136 Reply

      CraigS26
      AskWoody Lounger

      I, too, No Longer have the Chk’d KB4088875 – BUT – I have a REPEAT of  [JAN – FEB] 4.7.1 .Net Frameworks  – Although – (History shows JAN Kb4055532 Inst’d 2/8 — FEB Kb4076492 was Inst’d 3/10 —

      Net Frameworks not the Lead Actor now but hopefully some comments will surface on what to do about the Repeat.

      WU Grp A - Win 7-64 Hm Prem / Hm-Stdnt Office '10 - NO Java or Flash

    • #176180 Reply

      BryanP
      AskWoody Lounger

      I just checked with both a physical and VM Win7 boxes, and neither 4088875 or 4088878 was offered, FWIW.

    • #176200 Reply

      EspressoWillie
      AskWoody Lounger

      One of my Win7 machines is set to download updates but ask me if and when to install. Interestingly, the 4088875 was checked, even after I checked for updates a few times yesterday (15th). I finally decided to reset my windows update folder (turn off Windows Update service, rename the SoftwareDistribution folder, restart Windows Update service).  Lo and behold, after checking for updates, 4088875 did not even show up.

      Cheers!!
      Willie McClure
      www.datarim.com
      Talk's cheap, takes money to buy whiskey.
    • #176239 Reply

      anonymous

      “You really have to wonder who’s testing this stuff.”  Actually, we already know; their customers are testing it!  Nadella sent the QA department packing and replaced them with “telemetry” so now the process is, push out a patch, and see what happens.

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    • #176302 Reply

      zero2dash
      AskWoody Lounger

      You really have to wonder who’s testing this stuff.

      No one, that’s problem #1. 😀
      Problem #2 is that all the good patchers are now working on Win10; the cleaning crew churns out the 7 & 8.1 patches after they clean the toilets. 😀 😀

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      • #176539 Reply

        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Lounger

        Well, Anonymous who submitted # 176362 is happily testing them, at any rate. Maybe that’s part of the problem?

    • #176307 Reply

      Geo
      AskWoody Lounger

      Mine it marked important but unchecked in WU.  I have it set for  check but let me choose to download and install.

    • #176358 Reply

      David F
      AskWoody Lounger

      Still showing here in UK as unchecked at 02:25 GMT 17/03/2018

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    • #176494 Reply

      Chris B
      AskWoody Lounger

      For those people interested in the hit to systems from the Meltdown and Spectre patches, here is the result of my testing. The system is a 6 year old Dell Inspiron 620, Win7 Home Premium 64 bit, i5-2310 CPU, 4GB RAM. The tests were done first before any Meltdown patches, then after the Feb rollup (but not the March one).

      Passmark test     05-Jan-18             17-Mar-18         Change

      Overall rating               1,754.9                    1,573.6             -10.3%
      CPU Mark                     6,104.7                   6,047.8              -0.9%
      2D graphics                    604.2                        595.5              -1.4%
      3D graphics                     515.9                         514.6             -0.3%
      Memory                        1,636.3                      1,426.9           -12.8%
      Disk mark                        747.3                         563.5           -24.6%

      Frankly, I am a bit shocked by the Disk and RAM hit, but we will have to see whether the hit is noticeable in practical usage.
      Chris B

      Edit to remove HTML from copy/paste.

      Please remember to use the ‘text’ tab in the post entry box when you copy/paste.

      Chris

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      • #177518 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody Lounger

        hey Chris B. My family also owns a Dell Inspiron 620 desktop computer!
        BUT our 620 originally came with an Intel i5-2310 CPU [upgraded this to an i5-2500 CPU], Win7 SP1 Home Premium x64 [upgraded to Win7 SP1 Ultimate x64] with 6Gb of RAM (that’s right, SIX!) > eventually upped the RAM to 8Gb – also has a 1TB hard drive.

        The so called meltdown-spectre patches made very little or no performance drops; I made the HW upgrades long before those patches ever came out.

        Looks like Windows Update is no longer offering the KB4088875 update on my family’s Dell 620 computer after doing recent WU searches. I only see that update thru the MS Update Catalog site.

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    • #176840 Reply

      anonymous

      Just wondering: (it is Monday 19th now): anyone seen this update as ticked (selected) again?

      • #177545 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        There still seems to be confusion about that very topic – and Microsoft hasn’t enlightened us with an official position.

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