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Buggy Windows 7 Monthly Rollup KB 4088875 — no acknowledgment from Microsoft
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March 15, 2018 at 7:24 am #175881
woody
ManagerMicrosoft no longer installs the Win7 March Monthly Rollup automatically, but KB 4088875 is still available in the Update Catalog. Aren’t you glad you
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March 15, 2018 at 8:19 am #175885
anonymous
GuestWere the amount of complains bigger or smaller before the “Rollup updates” and “WaaS” were introduced?
I have KB4088875 installed while it was still available and checked by default, no problems so far, just like with the BIOS update for my ASRock motherboard that I had that was pulled as well (there’s now a newer fixed BIOS so no big deal), didn’t get any BSODs.
Regardless, I can’t trust anyone at this point! I’ll just stay here with my Win7 and 98SE…and later I’ll just install Arch Linux and will deal with even more problems. I have a feeling Linux problems are….more tolerable than Windows problems.
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March 15, 2018 at 5:04 pm #175947
Ascaris
AskWoody_MVPIf you are not already aware of whether Linux problems are or are not more tolerable than Windows ones, Arch is probably not the distro of choice. Someone the other day remarked that Windows was like a Lego set while Linux was like a mixture of bricks… in that analogy, Arch would be like bags of plastic pellets, molds for the bricks, and an injection molding press.
Group "L" (KDE Neon Linux 5.20.5 User Edition)
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March 17, 2018 at 12:31 am #176404
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March 15, 2018 at 8:51 pm #175997
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AskWoody PlusI use Manjaro and Antergos, both Arch derivatives. I the only update issues I have had is with AUR packages (user maintained, semi-official repository). Mostly these issues have been not having proper credentials loaded or incorrect hashes for the package. When this happens, the update stops, allowing to sort out the problem with a still functioning system.
Also, patches are never installed automatically but only after you have given positive approval. The Arch online documentation is very detailed.
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March 16, 2018 at 2:25 am #176060
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March 15, 2018 at 9:55 am #175907
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March 15, 2018 at 10:17 am #175914
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March 15, 2018 at 10:22 am #175917
MrBrian
AskWoody_MVPAs of about 10 minutes ago, KB4088875 is listed for me in Windows Update as an unticked-by-default update. It’s possible that others might not see KB4088875 at all due to Microsoft’s metadata, which was apparently changed for KB4088875 on March 14. (March 14 is the date listed for KB4088875 in the Catalog.)
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March 15, 2018 at 11:48 pm #175938
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March 15, 2018 at 10:14 am #175913
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March 15, 2018 at 11:03 am #175928
MrBrian
AskWoody_MVPI found the topic: Tip: Some unchecked Windows updates are installed when using automatic updates.
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March 15, 2018 at 7:37 pm #175981
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March 16, 2018 at 1:29 pm #176242
MrBrian
AskWoody_MVP“Is there any indication that the unchecked KB 4088875 is being installed via Windows Update?”
Yes there is indeed if I am not mistaken. Using one of the scripts at https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-view-detailed-information-about-a-given-windows-update/ modified to use this update search string, KB4088875 has AutoSelection=1 and AutoDownload=2. Most updates have AutoSelection=0 and AutoDownload=0. I believe that for those computers for which KB4088875 hasn’t been blacklisted, and also have automatic Windows updates turned on, KB4088875 will be automatically downloaded and installed.
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March 15, 2018 at 10:51 am #175925
MrBrian
AskWoody_MVPWhether a given update is automatically ticked by default in Windows Update might be determined by the given update’s property AutoSelectOnWebSites or AutoSelection. Whether a given update is automatically downloaded and installed apparently is determined by a different property – perhaps the AutoDownload property. For update properties, also click on IUpdate, IUpdate2, IUpdate3, IUpdate4, and IUpdate5 at Windows Update Agent (WUA) API Reference.
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March 15, 2018 at 8:37 pm #175992
Jan K.
AskWoody LoungerAm I the only one missing a button?
At the bottom of the above (interesting!) links, I see a question “Is ths page helpful” with a “yes” and a “no” button…
Instead I would like to see “Is this page” and then 3 buttons, “Helpful”, “Not helpful”, “Scary”.
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March 15, 2018 at 11:33 pm #176011
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March 15, 2018 at 10:03 am #175909
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AskWoody LoungerWell, as usual I gave KB4088875 a try install thru win7sp1x64 update center, and surprisingly towards a topic of this thread I must report that it seems performing better than all of its 5 predecessors of 2018 including KB4091290.
One of issues reported by me earlier here:
Microsoft releases KB 4091290, a fix for the Win7/Server 2008R2 SCARD_E_NO_SERVICE bug
as dwm.exe irregular error in logs has expectedly gone due to some windows graphics component refresh included, but the 2nd one as the same irregular and annoying leftovers of the already closed windows in win7 taskbar is yet present, although again it occurs less frequently than before.
Also:
I use static IP but can’t report any issues here, and while I don’t use VMware VBox performs just fine.
KB4088875 doesn’t contain any microcode updates for older CPUs like Intel T9500 CPUID 10676.
Anyhow now it’s removed & put to hidden list but I bet that any coming March Preview of Rollup will likely be acceptable for a permanent deployment.
Rgds,
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March 15, 2018 at 10:19 am #175915
MrJimPhelps
AskWoody_MVPA Stop error occurs if this update is applied to a 32-Bit (x86) machine with the Physical Address Extension (PAE) mode disabled.
This might be a good thing. PAE mode has been around for a long time, so there has been plenty of time for someone to have enabled PAE mode on their computer. As I recall, PAE mode is designed to provide more security against malware. So I would ask, why hasn’t PAE mode been talked about much over the years, not only by Microsoft, but also by others? In all honesty, this is the first time I have heard much about PAE mode and the security benefits of it.
Something like this — a patch which has security benefits, but also has the potential for causing problems — makes a strong case for the way Microsoft used to do patching — as individual patches, rather than as one big rollup. In this way, someone could decide if they want that patch or not.
Group "L" (Linux Mint)
with Windows 8.1 running in a VM-
March 15, 2018 at 12:21 pm #175935
anonymous
GuestThe reason is that PAE is not talked about much is that the PAE mode is generally not a relevant option anymore for most systems. It is almost always on or superseded.
- The standard 64-bit setup for long addresses (64 bits) already has a PAE like structure as part of the design.
- Windows has required PAE since Windows 8, effectively meaning they drop support for non-PAE entirely when Windows 7 goes EOL. Additionally 7 will enable it automatically if DEP is enabled using hardware support.
- Most Linux distributions have a kernel which enables PAE by default as long as the system is capable of using it.
- Macs have supported PAE since Tiger, as of Lion 32-bit operation is no longer supported.
In other words most systems either enforce / default to PAE or use an addressing mode designed for 64-bit which has the same benefits already.
The whole thing is just another example of Microsoft not testing patches on more unusual or niche setups, in this case older machines.
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March 16, 2018 at 4:01 am #176071
anonymous
GuestAny processor that supports the NX/XD bit will have PAE mode enabled by default in 32-bit mode. Even the old Pentium M supports XD, so it runs in PAE mode on XP SP2 or later.
So the only users who I think would be affected by this bug would be those who intentionally disabled PAE for whatever reason, or those with very old setups such as Athlon XP or Pentium 4 processors.
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March 16, 2018 at 5:46 am #176102
EP
AskWoody_MVPnot all Pentium Ms & Pentium 4s have XD & PAE support, mr anonymous.
many of the “Prescott” & “Cedar Mill” series of P4s have XD & PAE support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4
the early series like “Willamette”, “Northwood” & “Gallatin” don’t have XD and PAE support.Certain “Dothan” series of 32bit Pentium Ms have XD & PAE support (starting from 730 to 780):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_M
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March 16, 2018 at 8:54 am #176138
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March 16, 2018 at 1:00 am #175983
Heavenly
AskWoody LoungerI just checked and it has disappeared from the updates awaiting to be installed I only have the Windows malicious tool remover left ticked up awaiting to be installed. KB 4088875 was there ticked up on the 14th but today the 15th it has gone (I am in UK)
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March 15, 2018 at 3:38 pm #175940
Robboj
AskWoody LoungerOn 12th I tested KB4088875 in my Group A Win7 32bit test machine and couldn’t find any faults.
So this morning I installed in all my Win7 Group A Win 7 32bit and 64 bit machines.
Again Ive not seen any problems.
Why not live dangerously, like me and install KB4088875.
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March 15, 2018 at 8:18 pm #175988
The Surfing Pensioner
AskWoody PlusThat depends on how much you have at stake. I’m just a little old lady who lives alone and thinks technology’s wonderful when it works, but what skills I have are all self-taught. Because I co-ordinate a voluntary organisation, I spend a large part of each day pouring over a hot computer. If it does what I want, I’m happy, but a software problem beyond my ken can bring everything to a halt and my only recourse is to call in a P.C. technician. Before evolving a ‘Group B’ approach, I found myself ringing my local computer engineer so regularly he started arriving with a bunch of flowers, clearly getting the wrong message. I now consult somebody else who is happily married, but – Heaven knows! – I infinitely prefer to avoid the stress and expense by keeping all updates to an essential minimum. The system seems to be working.
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March 15, 2018 at 4:54 pm #175945
BobbyB
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March 17, 2018 at 9:49 am #176471
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March 17, 2018 at 9:57 am #176473
woody
ManagerGood explainer here:
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March 17, 2018 at 10:10 am #176478
walker
AskWoody Lounger@Woody: Thank you so much for the link. I intend to read it thoroughly, and hopefully I will understand exactly what this (Spectre and Meltdown) is. I’m Win 7, Home Prem., x64, no sophisticated programs running that I am aware of. Group A. Have not checked the updates for a few days however I have not seen that KB4088875 listed in any updates I have done previously (up to March 10th).
Thank you once again for your help. Hoping that “someday” I will have the ability to understand more. We all appreciate your outstanding help – – – – It is truly WONDERFUL! 🙂
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March 15, 2018 at 5:20 pm #175950
OscarCP
AskWoody PlusI don’t know if it is checked or unchecked now, because I have, as invariably with all and any previous such rollups, hidden this as soon as it showed up.
As in the past, I’ll later install the Win 7 SP1, x64 Security Only and the IE11 Security Cumulative from the Catalog. The MS Malware Removal Tool, the .Net and Office patches now being offered to me by Windows Update (set to: tell me about the patches, but let me decided when and what to install), I’ll install later, when the cries of the badly injured and the dying are heard no more.
Don’t agree with my approach?
So sue me.
Be Group B, or die!
Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)
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March 15, 2018 at 7:04 pm #175974
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March 15, 2018 at 8:40 pm #175951
anonymous
GuestOn 3/14/18, I installed KB4088875 for Windows 7 since it was shown as “important”. Today, when I tried to access a website I have always used, I see a message that says “this page can’t be display”. When I try to “fix” the connection problems, I see the following: “The remote device or resource won’t accept the connection.” Is it possible that this update could be causing the problem? It doesn’t matter which browser I use. The link/website will not open. Actually, there a other websites that I’m also having the same issue with. I use my desktop PC for personal use only and I don’t know what could be causing this problem. Any feedback would be appreciated. HELP!!
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March 15, 2018 at 8:44 pm #175995
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March 15, 2018 at 8:55 pm #175998
Jan K.
AskWoody LoungerOn 12th I tested KB4088875 in my Group A Win7 32bit test machine and couldn’t find any faults.
So this morning I installed in all my Win7 Group A Win 7 32bit and 64 bit machines.
Again Ive not seen any problems.
Why not live dangerously, like me and install KB4088875.
Your PC is only a machine that can be repaired.Eerh… of course you’re right. Only a machine and nobody gets killed or wounded and it usually can be “unpatched” in so or so many minutes/hours…
But if you have work to do and/or clients are waiting, then it may be a bit irritating not being able to. Been there, done that…
Big fan of a boring and un-adventful life. Ms-Defcon system helps, Ms does not…
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March 15, 2018 at 10:06 pm #176002
abbodi86
AskWoody_MVPThey did acknowledge the issue in article:
A new Ethernet virtual Network Interface Card (vNIC) may be created with default settings in place of the previously existing vNIC, causing network issues after applying this update. Any custom settings on the previous vNIC are still persisted in the registry but unused.
Apply the resolution documented in KB3125574 (Convenience Rollup) for Known issue 1:IP address settings are lost after applying this update.
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March 15, 2018 at 11:24 pm #176005
anonymous
Guest“Microsoft no longer installs the Windows 7 March Monthly Rollup automatically, but KB 4088875 is still available in the Update Catalog. Aren’t you glad you held off on patching this month?”
No, I installed it, it works fine. Everyone except Woody seems to think the problems only effect servers configured with fixed IP addresses.
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March 16, 2018 at 8:30 am #176136
CraigS26
AskWoody PlusI, too, No Longer have the Chk’d KB4088875 – BUT – I have a REPEAT of [JAN – FEB] 4.7.1 .Net Frameworks – Although – (History shows JAN Kb4055532 Inst’d 2/8 — FEB Kb4076492 was Inst’d 3/10 —
Net Frameworks not the Lead Actor now but hopefully some comments will surface on what to do about the Repeat.
W10 Pro 20H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 Coffee Lake/ GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0
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EspressoWillie
AskWoody PlusOne of my Win7 machines is set to download updates but ask me if and when to install. Interestingly, the 4088875 was checked, even after I checked for updates a few times yesterday (15th). I finally decided to reset my windows update folder (turn off Windows Update service, rename the SoftwareDistribution folder, restart Windows Update service). Lo and behold, after checking for updates, 4088875 did not even show up.
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March 16, 2018 at 1:32 pm #176239
anonymous
Guest“You really have to wonder who’s testing this stuff.” Actually, we already know; their customers are testing it! Nadella sent the QA department packing and replaced them with “telemetry” so now the process is, push out a patch, and see what happens.
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March 16, 2018 at 3:57 pm #176302
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Chris B
AskWoody PlusFor those people interested in the hit to systems from the Meltdown and Spectre patches, here is the result of my testing. The system is a 6 year old Dell Inspiron 620, Win7 Home Premium 64 bit, i5-2310 CPU, 4GB RAM. The tests were done first before any Meltdown patches, then after the Feb rollup (but not the March one).
Passmark test 05-Jan-18 17-Mar-18 Change
Overall rating 1,754.9 1,573.6 -10.3%
CPU Mark 6,104.7 6,047.8 -0.9%
2D graphics 604.2 595.5 -1.4%
3D graphics 515.9 514.6 -0.3%
Memory 1,636.3 1,426.9 -12.8%
Disk mark 747.3 563.5 -24.6%Frankly, I am a bit shocked by the Disk and RAM hit, but we will have to see whether the hit is noticeable in practical usage.
Chris BEdit to remove HTML from copy/paste.
Please remember to use the ‘text’ tab in the post entry box when you copy/paste.
Chris
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March 21, 2018 at 6:49 pm #177518
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AskWoody_MVPhey Chris B. My family also owns a Dell Inspiron 620 desktop computer!
BUT our 620 originally came with an Intel i5-2310 CPU [upgraded this to an i5-2500 CPU], Win7 SP1 Home Premium x64 [upgraded to Win7 SP1 Ultimate x64] with 6Gb of RAM (that’s right, SIX!) > eventually upped the RAM to 8Gb – also has a 1TB hard drive.The so called meltdown-spectre patches made very little or no performance drops; I made the HW upgrades long before those patches ever came out.
Looks like Windows Update is no longer offering the KB4088875 update on my family’s Dell 620 computer after doing recent WU searches. I only see that update thru the MS Update Catalog site.
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