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     wavy 7 hours, 38 minutes ago.

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    • #1858656 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      I was telling GF that maybe I should build a new computer in the fall as my current rig is 5 years old, to my surprise she said “why not now?”. (She says that a lot to me but usually about something I would rather do later, much later. ) She asked how long it would take, I said oh a couple of hours and she made a disappointed sound and I added that it would likely take me a few weeks to DECIDE what to get, an she perked right up. (Maybe I have been getting on her nerves this summer??)
      I had been wondering if now might be a good time as a trade war with one of the bigest manufacturers of tech stuff might tend to inflate prices this side of the world. On first glance at present prices look good, for some reason I was thinking that memory prices were high but looks like I can get twice as much DDR4 for less than what I bought DDR3 for a few years ago.

      So anybody else out there in AWforum land planning on building a computer this summer?

      FYI looking at

      yet to be released Ryzen 7 3700X

      Intel Core i9-9900 Coffee Lake 8-Core, 16-Thread, 3.1 GHz (5.0 GHz Turbo) LGA 1151 (300 Series) 65W BX80684I99900 Desktop Processor Intel UHD Graphics 630

      AMD Ryzen 7 2700X AMD50 Gold Edition 3.7 GHz (4.3 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 YD270XBGAFA50 Desktop Processor
      or maybe
      AMD Ryzen 7 2700X AMD50 Gold Edition 3.7 GHz (4.3 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 YD270XBGAFA50 Desktop Processor

      the 3700X @ $329 looks golden! but not yet released.

      What I see as needed in a case:
      Ability to filter incoming air and have a positive pressure
      front panel USB3s (2 at least)
      front panel eSATA would be nice
      front panel audio connections
      room for a BluRay player
      still thinking on the rest…

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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    • #1858727 Reply

      rhp52
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’m also going to have to build a new one, so I’ll be watching this thread. I’m not even past the linux or Win10 pro decicion, but have looked a little and for the first time considering an AMD product.

      I’m not a gamer and I find most things I’ve looked at (mobo’s especially) are geared for gaming. I just want a current board with current specs..  no overclocking, etc.

      Suggestions are welcomed as iI havn’t built a new computer for 7-8 years

    • #1858815 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      Not a gamer either, just want snappy.
      I am considering a TPM but maybe need to post questions in another part of the forum.

      I am trending away from Gigabyte mb because of the crap ware they want me to load to use their utilities. It seems prudent to wait for the AMD 3000 series CPU release either for it or the commandment price reductions for previous hw .
      I am going to look at cases for the time being, seems to be a harder process 🙁

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    • #1858875 Reply

      NetDef
      AskWoody_MVP

      I’m in the same boat – need to build a VR capable system for my son before the holidays. (He’s using my ancient Intel i7-2600K system as a hand-me-down – which was doing fine with various inexpensive upgrades over the years until he started wanting to create VR sets.)

      Looking in the near-term (meaning the next 5 months) I suspect we are about to see a drop in Intel prices, or something.  Based on AMD’s recent announcements.

      Planning to wait until those are on market before I decide.

      BTW if you need a neat tool to help put your parts list together, along with rudimentary compatibility checking and price shopping, check out pchound.com . . .  you can put together a list, save the custom URL it generates, even send that URL to others (or here) for partners/clients to review before purchasing.

       

      EDIT: PCHound appears to lack compatibility info for the newest Intel CPU’s, use with caution and be certain you know your socket matches!  You can also try pcpartpicker.com which currently looks like it’s compatibility filter is working much better!

      ~ Group "Weekend" ~

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      • #1858944 Reply

        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        OK I must be over the hill, What are VR sets, I know what VR is, been meaning to use my old phone to look but I take forever to get around to things these days..

        “create VR sets”

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        • #1859000 Reply

          NetDef
          AskWoody_MVP

          Specifically my son want’s this for the holiday: https://store.steampowered.com/valveindex

          And he want’s to use it to work on a personal project using SteamVR API and the upcoming kit. (11 years old and already trying to outshine his dad.)

           

          ~ Group "Weekend" ~

    • #1858880 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      Hi Wavy,

      I just built a 2700X in Oct. 2018 and it is definitely snappy 🙂 I used PC Partpicker for most of my build stuff (other than the case which was cheaper through Walmart CoolerMaster Model # MCM-M500M-KG5N-S00). AMD is kickin Intels butt on CPU’s especially when you get a good cooling fan with the CPU. Here’s my part’s list that has current prices.

      NOTE: I didn’t get the Pioneer Blu-Ray drive just the ASUS burner.

      AMD

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
      4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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      • #1858903 Reply

        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        BTW, I didn’t spend that much for W10 Pro. I got a retail key through a MS authorized company for $125.00 and used 1803 (at the time) that I had already downloaded on a USB. Not sure of your OS plans but I can post the link for where I got mine if your interested.

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1858915 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      Oh Cool looks very nice!!!
      I am still wondering about the OS. I believe i have rights to one more w7 pro, gotta look closer I bought an W7 Ultimate as well as a pro…. I think that a half year ago I would consider the exact same rig!!

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      • #1859011 Reply

        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        At the time, I had an XP upgraded to W7 32 bit that was originally built in 2003 and it was just getting too slow for me so I decided it was time to start fresh. Although AMD is coming out with new stuff, I’m pretty darn happy with this 2700X system. It’s not used for any heavy gaming but some number crunching and amateur Photoshop.

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1858945 Reply

      RetiredGeek
      AskWoody MVP

      Wavy,

      Going into the Bit-Coin mining business or you going to generate “fake news videos”?

      ROTFLOL-BlueShoes
      That’s an awfully powerful system are you sure you need that much power?

      Make sure you have plenty of cooling I’d recommend water cooling a rig like this.

      You didn’t mention what Power Supply you were looking at. I’d take a look at the one CADesertRat chose.

      HTH 😎

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

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      • #1859001 Reply

        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        I am a big believer in quality PS s . That is what keeps it all going. I was a Seasonic fan but now run EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 220-G2-0750-XR which has been good .

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        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #1870597 Reply

        Lugh
        AskWoody_MVP

        I’d recommend water cooling a rig like this

        I haven’t done any comparison research, but fyi Noctua fans look interesting at the higher cooling end.

        Lugh.
        ~
        Alienware Aurora R6; Win10 Home x64 1803; Office 365 x32
        i7-7700; GeForce GTX 1060; 16GB DDR4 2400; 1TB SSD, 256GB SSD, 4TB HD

    • #1858968 Reply

      mngerhold
      AskWoody Lounger

      Wavy: in case your budget is more modest, last October I upgraded my 12-year old Acer with:

      Icy Box 3.5" USB-3 Front Adapter Mfg# IB-866        £13 
      Lite-On iHAS124 DVD Drive Mfg# IHAS124-14           £12 
      Maxtor 1TB M3 USB3.0 HDD Mfg# STSHX-M101TCBM        £42 
      CCL MB Bundle: GB A320M-S2H, Ryzen3-2200G, 8GB DDR4 £230 
      Intel 760p 256GB M.2 SSD Mfg# SSDPEKKW256G801       £62 
                                                   total: £361

      All put into the original case with original PS (!) and newish HDD. W10 runs like a dream. That lot would cost £30 less now.

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    • #1859003 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      ROTFLOL-BlueShoes
      That’s an awfully powerful system are you sure you need that much power?

      Heck no, but GF said go fer it 🙂

      🍻

      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #1859014 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      Going into the Bit-Coin mining business or you going to generate “fake news videos”?

      If i though BitCoins were a way to actually make money I might be on it but we are a decade late for easy money there..
      The Fake News Business is way too competitive now….
      🙁

      🙂

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #1859038 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      BTW, I didn’t spend that much for W10 Pro. I got a retail key through a MS authorized company for $125.00 and used 1803 (at the time) that I had already downloaded on a USB. Not sure of your OS plans but I can post the link for where I got mine if your interested.

      Ok Retail = OEM ??
      seems not bad these days of WAAS..

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #1859046 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      Ok Retail = OEM ??

      No, Retail means I can install it on any computer I want as long as it’s only on 1 computer. In other words, if my MB dies and I have to replace it there are no problems with validation from MS. It’s different with OEM since you may have to call MS to re-validate if you change a major component on your computer.

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
      4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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    • #1863652 Reply

      Bill C.
      AskWoody Plus

      You may find the front panel eSATA to be a hard one to find. It seems to have fallen from favor with the rise of USB 3.0+. For my new box, I have not seen any front panel eSata in a case for a while, and definitely not in a case with external 5.25 Optical drive bays. I have an eSATA drive, but have found USB 3.0 to be more reliable than my eSATA drive.

      If you can find an older case NOS or used you might find front panel eSATA. I have also seen memory card panels with eSATA ports.

      I do wish you luck though, sounds like a nice build with decent headroom.

    • #1871015 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      Wavy,

      Going into the Bit-Coin mining business or you going to generate “fake news videos”?

      ROTFLOL-BlueShoes
      That’s an awfully powerful system are you sure you need that much power?

      Make sure you have plenty of cooling I’d recommend water cooling a rig like this.

      You didn’t mention what Power Supply you were looking at. I’d take a look at the one CADesertRat chose.

      HTH 😎

      Maybe fake bitcoin mining videos.
      But H2O cooling should not be needed. Except for my Cyrix ?? I have never OCed, a CPU capable should IMHO be a good one though.
      Just scratching at the skin….

      One note :
      This one should be MUCH more accessible than the present which requires 2 c-clamps to move my 300 lb desk to access. Gonna go where the really old one is now!!

      🍻

      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #1876459 Reply

        rhp52
        AskWoody Lounger

        wavy-

        Could you post the link to where you got your win 10 pro key?

        Thanks

    • #1876154 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      Ok I have made some decisions (well purchasing type). I am for once a bit more on the bleeding edge rather than the healing edge. The AMD RYZEN 9 3900X just seems too good to ignore, $500US but unless one goes ultra for a $1000 or more it is the price point to beat. I have gotten Gigabyte M/Bs for a while but dislike their utility structure, too unified. Asrock, MSI and Asus were contenders, I was unable to make a really informed decision but Asrock was new to me and Asus vs MSI M/Bs were a toss up. My requirements are not stringent, a $200 goal yielded an Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) looked good and like a couple of others was available. Unfortunately the RYZEN 9 was not, looks like Monday (and be quick about it, looks like I am not the only one to see the value equation). I found an Asus TUF-GTX1660TI-O6G-GAMING card for just over $200 w/ rebates and coupons.
      Pretty new and fast, tough to ignore. I found a Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 1TB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 3D2, QLC Internal Solid State Drive for $10 off. The unit is not a high usage hero but very fast for most routine use at a very good price ($95) to begin with.
      Memory is still up in the air, I am still waiting for a good deal on 2 16 GB units of DDR4 3600 capability. Looking at a Seasonic PS but cases are going to be a problem, most have no Optical Disk space and more whiz bang than I really care for.

      I will update as I go, any one out there making these kind of decisions?

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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      • #1876171 Reply

        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        The AMD RYZEN 9 3900X just seems too good to ignore

        Should be a “Screamer” Wavy, most benchmarks show it to be fast.

        I have gotten Gigabyte M/Bs for a while but dislike their utility structure

        I had always used ASUS in the past but went with Gigabyte for this 2700x because of all the USB availability and I didn’t install most of their Utility’s just the drivers.

        cases are going to be a problem, most have no Optical Disk space and more whiz bang than I really care for.

        Take a look at that CoolerMaster I got for mine (in my earlier post) and CoolerMaster has a number of other cases with Optical drive bays.

        20190717_155811

        Anyway, sounds like you will have quite a system 🙂

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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        rhp52
        AskWoody Lounger

        you’re further along than I am. I’ve looked at numerous cases but they all have a lot of bays that i won’t use, I’d like to stick to a mid tower so it’s upgradeable, they seem to be more in line for what I’m doing.

        I haven’t yet decided about the processor, but will be using an M.2 drive, probably Samsung. At least 512GB. I’m not a gamer so I don’t need a high end graphics card or maybe none at all if I go with an Intel proc.  Probably go with an Asus board.

        Keep us informed about what you find and I’ll do the same.

    • #1876157 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      @ Retired Geek
      Yes I am planning on taking over the would with this rig -;
      PS also bought a really cheap W10 Pro Retail Key. Fingers crossed….. turning blue..

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        rhp52
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        @retiredgeek  Aren’t you taking a chance buying a retail key so cheap? How does that work?

        • #1876218 Reply

          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Plus

          @retiredgeek  Aren’t you taking a chance buying a retail key so cheap? How does that work?

          Wavy bought the retail key.

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1876160 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      BTW how does one get an image in the post rather than as an attachment (yes I see it does come up in both places sometimes )

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      • #1876166 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        There is a link next to the attachment in the edit view that says “insert in content” – In the Visual tab it inserts where the cursor is.

        Screen-Shot-2019-07-17-at-5.35.38-PM

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    • #1876638 Reply

      wavy
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      @retiredgeek  Aren’t you taking a chance buying a retail key so cheap? How does that work?

      I will let you know, I failed to find any bad stuff on a cursory search. Hopefully I will get my parts together soon enough to cancel CC if if proves bogus…

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #1876935 Reply

      wavy
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      wavy-

      Could you post the link to where you got your win 10 pro key?

      Thanks

      PM sent

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #1880662 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      Well been busy ..

      I was all set on Ryzen 9 3900x 5 bills but what the hey. But nobody had any!! The egg said they should have them Monday. Tried today , had one in the cart with a couple of other items only there because the wish list was not working, Whilst removing the extraneous items the Ryzen 9 was sold out. Now I have gone with the Ryzen 7 3700X and save 170 bucks. Ps the egg raised their price 70 bucks on the Ryzen 7 3700X overnight..

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #1880696 Reply

        rhp52
        AskWoody Lounger

        I think the 3700x is the best bang for the buck. Good choice.

      • #1880774 Reply

        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        I was all set on Ryzen 9 3900x 5 bills but what the hey. But nobody had any!! The egg said they should have them Monday. Tried today , had one in the cart with a couple of other items only there because the wish list was not working, Whilst removing the extraneous items the Ryzen 9 was sold out

        I went through that when I decided on the 2700X, I waited though and pre ordered and it actually came in the next day. 🙂 My guess is that you will probably be pretty happy with the 3700X though.

        Sounds like a fun build. Congrats

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #1880732 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      yeh maybe lucked out in that regard. Also ordered The end game steel, which I had been holdifg off oon . Now i may not feel so bad about spending 120 on a case! Looks like Phanteks Enthoo Pro TG PH-ES614PTG_BK 110 bucks,

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #1881250 Reply

      MrJimPhelps
      AskWoody_MVP

      Get at least 16 GB of RAM, an NvME solid state drive, and a good video card with a decent amount of memory. By doing so, you will have plenty of speed in three critical areas: video, disk reads and writes, and “elbow room” to work.

      If you want to have several VMs open at the same time, then get at least 32 GB of RAM; and get a separate NvME solid state drive for each of the VMs.

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
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    • #1882575 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      Well for better or worse, as they say. Way over budget (ok I really should have figured out a budget)
      Ryzen 7 3700X
      ASUS AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)
      ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce GTX 1660 Ti DirectX 12
      Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 1TB PCIe NVMe 3.0
      G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB)
      Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-550FX 550W 80+ Gold
      Phanteks Enthoo Pro TG PH-ES614PTG_BK

      Or in long form

      AMD – Ryzen 7 3700X Octa-Core 3.6 GHz Desktop Processor
      $329.99

      ASUS AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) ATX Motherboard with PCIe 4.0, Dual M.2, 12+2 with Dr. MOS Power Stage, HDMI, DP, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Aura Sync RGB Lighting
      $199.99

      ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce GTX 1660 Ti DirectX 12 TUF-GTX1660TI-O6G-GAMING 6GB 192-Bit GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card
      $299.99 $-50.00

      Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 1TB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 3D2, QLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSDPEKNW010T8X1
      $94.99

      G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C14D-32GVR
      $247.99

      Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-550FX 550W 80+ Gold Intel ATX 12V Full Modular 120mm FDB Fan Compact 140 mm Size Power Supply
      $74.99

      Phanteks Enthoo Pro TG PH-ES614PTG_BK Integrated RGB lighting Tempered Glass Side Panel ATX Full Tower Computer Case – Black
      $109.99

      WD Black 4TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive – 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s 256MB Cache 3.5 Inch – WD4005FZBX
      $164.99

      WD Blue WD20EZAZ 2TB 5400 RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5″ Internal Hard Drive
      $54.99

      StarTech.com USBPLATE4 4 Port USB A Female Slot Plate Adapter – USB panel – 4 pin USB Type A (F)
      $6.99

      Coboc PCIU3-20PSPL2-18 18″ Dual Ports USB 3.0 to 20pin Header Adatper Cable w/ Rear Panel – PCI Bracket USB 3.0 20pin to 2 Ports Type A Female
      $5.49

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      • #1882612 Reply

        Microfix
        Da Boss

        Nice rig, congrats and enjoy. We all want pics posted once built!
        Oh and good luck with the OS ‘creature update’ gravy train..

        ********** Win7 x64/x86 | Win8.1 x64 | Linux Hybrids x64 **********

      • #1882824 Reply

        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        Nice rig Wavy and you’ll be ready to change parts when more PCIE 4.0 parts become available (not many on the market yet). My tally with what you listed is $1540.39, a bit more than what I spent but you got more computer, LOL.

        Congrats and as Microfix say’s, post some pictures.

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

        • #1882833 Reply

          wavy
          AskWoody Plus

          Nice rig Wavy and you’ll be ready to change parts when more PCIE 4.0 parts become available (not many on the market yet). My tally with what you listed is $1540.39, a bit more than what I spent but you got more computer, LOL.

          I figure 1565 with tax and a coupon and rebate. More than I was planning on spending but….
          I know once PCIe 4.0 parts are available at a reasonable price it would seem to be a good upgrade.

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          Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      @microfix
      Thanks and will do.

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      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.

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