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    This topic contains 32 replies, has 13 voices, and was last updated by  PKCano 1 day ago.

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    • #170632 Reply

      Kirsty
      AskWoody MVP

      Due to the size of the first topic of this name, it has been closed – it was too big to load easily.

      Please feel free to ask questions about AKB2000003 here

       
      The old comments can be found here:
      Part One – Mar/17-May/17
      Part Two – Jun/17 to Feb/18

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    • #170748 Reply

      SueW
      AskWoody Lounger

      Kirsty, I wondered why I couldn’t access the original page . . . I kept getting 504 Timeouts last week.  I had wanted to read any comments that might have pertained to January’s updates prior to installing them.

      Is it possible to select and copy the comments on January’s updates (if any) from that page and then paste them here in order to make sure nothing fell through the cracks?  That is, none of us in Group B missed reading something really important or helpful?

      Many thanks!

      Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

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      • #170794 Reply

        Kirsty
        AskWoody MVP

        @suew there have been 504s on pages with barely any posts in recent days/weeks, so that may not have been the only issue. While the topic is now closed for new postings, it can still be read (if you can get past the 504s).

        If the problem persists, we might have to split the closed topic in two, but I might keep an eye on that, balanced with the other problems 😉

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        • #170897 Reply

          SueW
          AskWoody Lounger

          … it can still be read (if you can get past the 504s)

          Hmmm — I gave up after at least a dozen attempts!

          Thank you, @Kirsty, for your explanation (and your always helpful comments).  Indeed, it is a balancing act :).

          Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

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          • #172436 Reply

            Kirsty
            AskWoody MVP

            The closed comments topic has now been split in two, which may or may not make it easier to access the old comments.

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            • #172477 Reply

              SueW
              AskWoody Lounger

              YaY!!  Thank you, Kirsty!!  Each link definitely makes it easier to access the old comments 🙂

              Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

    • #170771 Reply

      SkipH
      AskWoody Lounger

      If this ‘forum’ software had a way to limit the posts-per-page (other than turning off the ‘nested’ display method), then it wouldn’t take so looooog and be so sloooow to load up a page of many posts.

      Topics on the main home page seem to be limited to a certain number (8 or 10?). If the number of posts/replies on a sub-topic page were limited to 30-40, then topics with lots of posts would not take so long to load (ludicrous speed or not).

      • #170795 Reply

        Kirsty
        AskWoody MVP

        Ok @skiph, off-topic here, but to reply: no, that’s not an option (refer recent topics on nesting/threading/paging, and the various issues that caused) 🙂

        • #170930 Reply

          SkipH
          AskWoody Lounger

          Yes, I know that. My main point was…why is not there a ‘feature’ of this software to limit a ‘page’ of posts to some finite number, preferably user selectable…as there is on number of other forums I frequent, ranging from bicycling to R/C quad copters.

          And BTW…I assume the “Notify me of follow-up replies via email” still isn’t working? I’ve checked that option on at least 2 recent topics, and never received any emails (and, no they haven’t been going into a spam folder).

          • #170943 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            We have three options:

            > Let everybody post

            > Break posts into pages – but you really need to have linear (not indented) posts to make that work

            > Seal the topic off of further comments.

            I thought we’d get better speeds by turning the replies linear, and breaking the pages up into 10 or 20 posts. But it didn’t work out that way.

            If this ‘forum’ software had a way to limit the posts-per-page (other than turning off the ‘nested’ display method), then it wouldn’t take so looooog and be so sloooow to load up a page of many posts.

            And that’s at the crux of the problem. If you have nested replies, how would the software break them into pages? I struggled with that for a while, and finally gave up.

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          • #170944 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            Oh. And “Notify me of follow-ups by email” is part of an add-on that will get upgraded before too long. In the interim, though, it doesn’t work – as you note.

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            • #170947 Reply

              Kirsty
              AskWoody MVP

              It does work, intermittently. Some people get no emails at all, but I get several each day (and cannot guarantee that is all that I should be getting, though).

              It may have something to do with the email address, as @sparky noticed a few months ago.

            • #170953 Reply

              HiFlyer
              AskWoody Lounger

              Oh. And “Notify me of follow-ups by email” is part of an add-on that will get upgraded before too long. In the interim, though, it doesn’t work – as you note.

              Does it help to “subscribe” to the topic?  btw:  I got six emails today.

               

    • #171748 Reply

      anonymous

      Is this KB4077561 only for 8.1 or for all OS? It looked like an 8.1 patch. If so, shouldn’t 8.1 be put with its name for reference?

      Jan 2018 KB 4077561 (release 1/24 for PIC/APIC stop errors) – Download 32-bit or 64-bit

       

      • #171758 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        If you will notice, it IS under the heading For Windows 8.1 and NOT listed under the heading For Windows 7.

    • #172948 Reply

      anonymous

      If one skips IE patches for a month or two, it is only necessary to install the latest one rather than each missed month correct?

      • #172953 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        The IE patches are cumulative, so you only need the latest one.

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    • #175844 Reply

      Skunk1966
      AskWoody Lounger

      I found this article about problems with this month’s updates:

      https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/14/microsoft_secures_the_servers_of_the_world/

      Until further notice I won’t install this month’s(security-only) updates for Windows 7 SP1

      • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by  Skunk1966.
    • #176090 Reply

      Skunk1966
      AskWoody Lounger
    • #184423 Reply

      z.d.
      AskWoody Lounger

      Hello all, can I ask for some advice please?

      I’m a Group B Windows 7 user . In late March, I was waiting patiently until MS-Defcon 3 arrived to install the March updates, and took the advice of Patch Lady’s post of 31st March to install KB4100480, the “Total Meltdown” patch.

      I’m now ready to install the March update, but have I done this out of sequence, i.e. by installing the March updates now will I be undoing the remedial work of KB4100480?

      Also, weirdly, Windows Update no longer offers me the March update. Obviously I’ll be downloading the March update manually, and I’m not sure if this is relevant, but I thought I’d mention it just in case.

      • #184430 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        I’m now ready to install the March update, but have I done this out of sequence, i.e. by installing the March updates now will I be undoing the remedial work of KB4100480?

        No, the March patches do not cause a problem for KB4100480.

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      • #185017 Reply

        StruldBrug
        AskWoody Lounger

        Also, weirdly, Windows Update no longer offers me the March update.

        As a Group B’er, you want “Security Only” updates, which Windows Update doesn’t give you. It gives you “Security Monthly Quality Rollups”, which you do not want, nor any previews. Use this the list, which PKCano updates monthly to get the Catalog download links for both “Security Only” and IE cumulative.

        https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/2000003-ongoing-list-of-group-b-monthly-updates-for-win7-and-8-1/

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    • #185150 Reply

      GoneToPlaid
      AskWoody Lounger

      Hello everyone,

      Following are my notes about the Group B updates.

      GROUP B SECURITY ONLY UPDATE INSTALLATION NOTES

      NOTES ABOUT THE 2017 UPDATES…

      The January 2017 update KB3212642 will not show up as installed after the March 2017 update is installed, because KB3212642 was superseded by the March 2017 update. This supersedence is not documented by Microsoft.

      There was no February 2017 update.

      The Security Only updates should be installed sequentially and in the order of their release dates, except for two notable exceptions which are described below.

      1. Install the June 2017 update first, before installing the May 2017 and April 2017 updates (in this order), in order to prevent Windows Update from subsequently being blocked on some older CPUs. This was Microsoft’s way of saying “thanks” to users who installed Windows 7 on newer generation hardware such as on computers with AMD Ryzen CPUs, yet at the same time Microsoft inadvertently killed Windows Update for some older CPUs such as Haswell Core I5 CPUs and other CPUs.

      2. Install the September 2017 update before installing the August 2017 update since the September 2017 update includes newer updates for kernel mode drivers and the Windows kernel. The kernal mode drivers in the August 2017 update have issues. This is why you should install the September 2017 update before installing the August 2017 update.

      The October 2017 update may cause Jet DB issues with much older applications. A fix is available at:

      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13255&751be11f-ede8-5a0c-058c-2ee190a24fa6=True

      The November 2017 update may break printing for some Epson dot matrix and POS printers. Update KB4055038 is available to fix this issue.

      NOTES ABOUT THE 2018 UPDATES…

      The 2018 updates for Meltdown and Spectre COMPLETELY FAIL to protect against the BranchScope security vulnerability which was publicly disclosed in late March 2018. BranchScope is a new variant of the Spectre (CPU speculative execution) class of vulnerabilities which were publicly disclosed in January 2018. BranchScope theoretically can be mitigated, yet doing so is far from easy.

      The QualityCompat regkey must be set before installing any 2018 updates. This regkey should be set ONLY IF ALL INSTALLED ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE has been updated to be compatible with all 2018 updates, regardless of whether or not the antivirus software automatically runs when booting Windows or later is manually run, because most antivirus software installs low level I/O drivers which are loaded when Windows starts, regardless of whether or not the antivirus software itself actually runs when Windows starts.

      The upshot of the above paragraph is: Make sure that ALL installed antivirus programs have been updated to be compatible with the QualityCompat regkey BEFORE you install any of the 2018 updates.

      ********************
      Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

      [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\QualityCompat]
      “cadca5fe-87d3-4b96-b7fb-a231484277cc”=dword:00000000

      ********************

      The 2018-03-29 KB4100480 Windows kernel update must be installed immediately after installing any of the 2018 updates in order to address a kernel escalation of privilege vunerability. This update may be installed after installing the 2018 updates and rebooting.

      The January through March 2018 updates are inherently flawed by Microsoft. These flawed Meltdown updates expose ALL kernel and program memory to ANY program. This new expoit is called Total Meltdown. Microsoft themselves created this Total Meltdown flaw. NO MALWARE TECHNIQUES WHATSOEVER ARE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO EXPLOIT THIS FLAW.

      The March and April 2018 security only updates KB4088878 and KB4093108 still have issues (SMB server memory leaks and stop errors). KB4100480 Windows kernel update for Total Meltdown must be installed immediately after installing the March update. KB4099467 must be installed immediately after installing the March update to resolve stop error (ab) when exiting a Windows session.

      The April 2018 security only update will be presented and will install REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT the QualityCompat regkey is present and set within your Windows 7 computer’s registry. Why? Because Microsoft is trying to cover their collective rear ends in order to resolve the Total Meltdown vulnerability which Microsoft themselves created. The upshot is that, after installing this update and if your antivirus software is not compatible with the QualityCompat regkey, then your computer may BSOD on reboot. Microsoft kindly leaves it up to you in order to figure out how to resolve this issue.

      Best regards,

      –GTP

       

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    • #185166 Reply

      anonymous

      Is it correct that KB4100480, KB4099467 and KB4099950 are now included in the April KB4093108 update?

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    • #185171 Reply

      GoneToPlaid
      AskWoody Lounger

      Is it correct that KB4100480, KB4099467 and KB4099950 are now included in the April KB4093108 update?

      That is a good question. The article for KB4093108 states that KB4093108 supersedes KB4100480, yet makes no mention about KB4099467 and KB4099950. Additionally, the Microsoft Update Catalog Package Details for KB4093108 do not list KB4093108 as superseding ANY updates whatsoever. Now, isn’t this a riot of fun to try to figure out?

      Yet at the end of the day, KB4099467 and KB4099950 still appear to remain stand-alone updates which are not part of KB4093108.

      Nothing verified, yet this is all that I have to say at the present time.

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    • #185314 Reply

      anonymous

      What will Group B folks be missing by never doing 4088878 on Windows 7 x64 machines that are up to date from February?  Are there stable updates from within 4088878 that can be done separately from the catalog?

      I’m wondering if March updates will eventually have to be installed or if “just” April 4093108 will be the way to go due to it containing fixes for things like 4100480 & possibly 4099467.

      Having only installed March MSRT last DEFCON 3, it’s a bit worrisome that the others might still need doing, so I’m hoping some can be avoided.  Perhaps I’m fooling myself.  Please advise, thanks.

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      • #185318 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        Group B folks who do not install March update KB4088878 will be missing all the fixes contained in the patch. Security-only patches are NOT cumulative. If you do not install one, you never get the fixes contained in it.
        April security-only update KB4093108 takes the place of KB4100480 and KB4099467. But it does not contain the fix for NIC/IP address problems. You will need to download KB4099950 and install it manually BEFORE you install the March and April Security Only UPdates. (And, yes, you need both).

        As Group B you will also need to download and manually install the IE11 Cumulative Update every month.

        My suggestion is you manually install KB4099950, reboot, check to see if C:\Windows\LOGS\PCIClearStaleCache.txt file is present. If it is….
        Install 4088878 KB4093108 KB4092946 (in that order, not necessary to reboot in between), reboot.
        Wait for DEFCON 3 or above to follow Woody’s patching.

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    • #185323 Reply

      anonymous

      thank you for the response.  Helps to unmuddy the water a bit.

    • #185372 Reply

      LeaningTowardsLinux
      AskWoody Lounger

      Like the man said: Helps to unmuddy the water a bit. I would even say ‘a lot’.

      Held off any updates (or uninstalls) for more than a month. Just couldn’t keep up with all the patches and repatches, but now I was ready to give it a try – thanks to @mrbrian‘s sum up.

      Had IE 4092946 and 4100480 already installed, and that turned out to be no issue when I just installed 4099950 > reboot > 4088878 > 4093108 > reboot.
      Everything’s working fine – for now.

      Thank you again & always @woody @sb @mrbrian @pkcano!

       

       

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    • #186183 Reply

      anonymous

      Looking for clarification and a recommendation on the following.

      Group B. I haven’t updated since December so nothing from January through April. Above it says to install KB4099950 prior to the March KB4088878 update. But this article, https://www.askwoody.com/2018/patch-lady-kb4099950-gets-a-revision/, says KB4099950 does not apply to Group B patchers. Come time, do I install KB4099950 reboot and check for PCIClearStaleCache and then proceed or KB4099950 is not needed?

      For the January KB4073578 or KB4056897, February KB4074587 and March updates KB4088878. Is it advisable to hold off on those for a bit longer since they don’t contain any critical patches and seemed to cause many issues or it is not recommended to continue waiting on them?

      Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.

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      • #186186 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        Look for the answer to your questions to be finalized when Woody raises the DEFCON level to 3 or above. At the time, he will publish his recommendations in a blog post ans a ComputerWorld article.
        All the information is not in yet.

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