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    Here’s an interesting question from SA: I know most Win10 upgrade posts are concerned with preventing Win10 from installing but suppose you want to in
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    • #38835


      Before you do anything else, make at least one and preferably two system image backups of your current system in case something goes horribly wrong. The built-in Windows 7 backup and Macro in Reflect Free are two excellent choices for this task.

      Next, use the MS Media Creation Tool to download and install the latest version of Win10 to a USB key or a DVD.

      Then decide if you want to do an in-place update or a clean install once you have your installation media.

      To update in-place, start Windows normally, then insert your new installation disk/key, open file explorer and navigate to the setup.exe file on that media and double-click it to start the update.

      Follow the progress on screen and respond to any prompts you receive. For more control over some key settings, choose custom install instead Of express settings when offered the choice.

      When Windows 10 finally starts, all of your files and almost all of your programs will be there and ready to go. Check to make sure it’s activated which won’t be a problem if your current license is valid. Then if you roll back to your current system, you will retain a digital entitlement to update again at a later date.

      If you prefer to do a clean install, boot from your installation disk/key but be prepared to have all your files and programs deleted, and you’ll have to supply a valid product key to get Windows 10 activated properly. If you decide to roll back after a clean install, it’s unclear whether you retain a digital entitlement for a future update.

      Sorry for the length of this post

    • #38836

      Yes……. I would go with what Woody suggested…
      download the ISO file for Win10 …… you don’t even need to ‘burn’ it as they say…….. just click on the GWX.exe icon and it will open it for you.
      I did have the ISO originally for Win10 before I realised all about the snooping and stuff…… and came to a halt. Installed Josh’s GWX Control Panel which got rid of the whole lot for me. I know lots have upgraded that way and preferred to go that way rather than be downloading/installing at the same time. You know when you think about it…. it’s a huge ask for something so big to be downloaded, installed and be spot on….without some kind of mix-up happening. No wonder there have been so many
      problems for people……..
      Guess it goes without saying that you have got a backup image all ready in place. Good luck! LT

    • #38837

      Woody… I forgot to credit Ed Bott with the advice re in-place updates. I may not share this rose-coloured-glasses view of Windows 10, but he certainly knows how to install it!

    • #38838

      Yep, Ed has the straight scoop on all sorts of Winthings…

    • #38839

      Thanks Woody, Mike & LT, for the responses!

      1. Yes, I already made a system image of my Win7 install. My plan was to revert to Win7, using that image, after playing with Win10. Of course, I would also image the Win10 install if I thought I might want to keep it.

      2. I already downloaded a Win10 ISO from TechBench but couldn’t find an MD5 or SHA-1 hash to confirm the integrity of the download. I thought I’d try the direct method just in case it worked better. I’ll probably try installing the ISO using my Win7 key anyway.

      I’m happy to know that it’s not a case of missing “bad” patches that affect the download.

    • #38840

      I know that the TechBench image is the really clean image, however Microsoft recommends and supports downloading and installing from the “official” site https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
      Does anybody know if there are any significant differences between those 2 images or if there are any downsides in using the TechBench image instead? Would the licensing mechanism work in the same way for the TechBench image which is supposed to be used mainly by IT Technicians?

    • #38841

      I guess microsoft figures broadband is “99.7%” distributed now, no need to support “archaic” features such as resume on downloads, or any form of download control.

      Being on a limited usage connection do also watch out for the peer to peer file sharing feature introduced and enabled by default in windows 10 (for windows update). Unless you don’t mind high upload usage on your connection (to cut microsoft server bandwidth costs).

      Also, if this helps, direct from MSDN (x64):
      (Aka Win10_U1511_x64_ALL_Apr2016.iso)

    • #38842

      Thanks Bob?(Maybe?err…ok). I’m in Asia where many places have far from reliable connectivity.

      I used FreeDownloadManager to download the ISO and resume was supported. It took 4 hours to download. I can extract the files from the ISO, using 7zip, without any warning so I can probably assume that the download is not corrupt. Thanks also for the hash but I have the 32bit version. It says “Win10_1511_2_English_x32.iso”. Do you have a link for the page where the hashes are?


    • #38843

      Update – well, I tried installing the ISO from TechBench and it failed with the warning

      Operating System Failed to Load Because the Kernel is Missing or Contains Errors
      ERROR CODE: 0x0000098

      I guess that puts an end to my Win10 experiment if my connectivity, even with a download manager, isn’t good enough. Not that I needed it. I’m happy to stick with Win7. I wonder what we’ll all be doing four years from now? Maybe we’ll all switch to to some flavour of Android/Linux? Maybe I should start experimenting with Wine!

    • #38844

      Funny you should mention… Take a look at the well-known Windows bloggers. Several of them have already started blogging about other platforms.

      I’m not sure what I’ll be running four years from now. Likely I’ll still be stuck on Win10, but every day I find myself using my Android phone, iPad and Chromebook more and more – and my Win10 production systems less and less.

    • #38845

      Susan have you thought perhaps to give the ISO that comes directly from MS a go ? I googled the problem you had…….. seems to be a few fixes……… but perhaps some of the experts on here may have a few clues as to how to get round it for you. Even tho’ I’m a died in the wool fan of Win7 (and don’t want to budge) a ‘problem’ always gets my attention! BTW I wouldn’t attempt any of those fixes they speak about
      on line…….. I don’t have that experience and have enough respect for my computer to stay away from that sort of stuff!!! lol. anyway….. just thoughts! LT

    • #38846

      Downloading the Win10 images from the MS Techbench site downloads the images in ISO format while the ones downloaded them from the official Win10 page are in compressed ESD format, which are a little smaller than ISO but the ESDs can be converted to ISOs automatically by the Win10 Media Creation tool. I know cuz I’ve done this before.

    • #38847

      How fast is your internet connection, Susan?

      I’m using a 3Mbps DSL connection from AT&T and I can download the Win10 x64 ISO image using the Win10 Media Creation tool for about 2 hours.

      Though I can download it faster using my aunt’s cable internet connection from Time Warner for about 30 minutes (I think her cable internet speed is either 20Mbps or 30Mbps).

    • #38848

      EP asked about my internet connection – it’s variable. In any case, it’s what you actually get rather than what they say you “might” get! If the planets are aligned just right I can manage about 2Mbps. Since it took about 4 hours to download the ISO, that would probably equate to about 1.5Mbps. Of course the quality of the connection is important too since it’s easy to end up with a corrupted download even if the speed is decent.

      Maybe I’ll give it one more go. I’ll let you know – and thanks again to all of you for your advice!

    • #38849

      Sounds a lot like the internet I used to get in Thailand. Very… challenging.

    • #38850

      My old DSL connection was even slower than these connections. It peaked below 800 kbps. That’s right — KILObits per second.

      There’s only one solution in that situation. Find someone with true broadband and/or a good DVD burner. Get them to either provide a downloaded and checked DVD of the installer ISO, or else borrow their bandwidth and do your download and installation on their Internet connection.

      I used a semi-public community center’s WiFi for my Win 10 upgrades. No initial problems, but the tablet needed to have Windows 10 reinstalled eventually. I think that was due to my own post-install error in updating some MS Store Apps.

      In regions or areas without reliable broadband internet, MS insisting on a download strategy without a restart option is a maddeningly insensitive snub to those whose local tech still hasn’t entered the 21st Century.

    • #38851

      Also downloading the Win10 ISO images directly from MS Techbench site are “glitch free” according to a user from this Tenforums page:

      Note that I was using a WiFi/WLAN 3Mbps DSL connection for AT&T and my aunt’s Time Warner cable internet connection is wired/ethernet. The quality of both DSL and cable connections are very good (my aunt and I live in southern California).

      I NEVER do online/internet based Win10 installs and only use “offline” installations either thru DVD or USB flash drives, especially with an old HP A6110n desktop PC that had onboard nVidia nForce 430/GeForce 6150SE graphics hardware, which NVIDIA claimed it was not compatible with Windows 10 when in fact it actually is – it’s just that it required an offline install of Win10 to make it work and not an online install.

    • #38852

      I have satellite internet with a 1gb daily limit, except for an unmetered period between 2am and 7am. I downloaded the media creation tool from MS and made a bootable DVD and that worked fine for converting a Win 8 laptop.

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