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    • #2017914 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Microsoft has officially yanked the bogus Autopilot patch, KB 4532441, that some of you saw yesterday. Reminds me a lot of the same stupid thing in Oc
      [See the full post at: December 2019 Patch Tuesday foibles and quibbles]

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    • #2017945 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP
      • #2018257 Reply

        anonymous

        My experience with EOSNotify and the December 2019 updates follows;  am running Windows 7 Pro SP1 32-bit and am a Group B updater:

        1.  Updated the SSU (KB4531786)
        2. Installed the Optional Net Framework security & quality update
        3. Installed Win7 Security-Only KB4530692

        Rebooted between all.  Surprised to see that after the KB4530692 installed/booted, the EOS nag screen did NOT appear, nor did it after another manual reboot.  Both the EOSNotify and EOSNotify2 tasks did appear in Task Scheduler/Microsoft/Windows/Setup set to “Active.”  I have disabled both (right-click, “Disable”).  I did NOT add the registry entry mentioned elsewhere ([HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\EOSNotify]
        “DiscontinueEOS”=dword:00000001) and see no reason to unless the task disabling already done fails at some point.

        No problems noticed with performance, etc. after the updates.  Of course I keep a recent system image handy just in case.  Not sure if not seeing the EOS nag was related to timing, or the security patch (32-bit perhaps??).  The timestamp on the digital signature of the KB4530692 is December 6, 2019 2:00:38PM.

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        • #2018260 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          The nag screen is supposed to appear Jan 15th after Win7 is EOL, not now.

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          • #2018283 Reply

            anonymous

            Clicking on “Don’t remind me again” on the notification screen does the same thing.

            Lawrence has amended the BleepingComputer article to indicate the distinction.

    • #2017963 Reply

      anonymous

      Changed a 10-year old Atom Netbook W7 – W10, as per the still available ‘freebie’. Did just what it says on the tin. Took all night. The Netbook is experiencing high performance issues.
      HP printer required a new set of drivers. JOB DONE !

    • #2018011 Reply

      anonymous

      Color me confused. The Computerworld article says that the Win7 SO patch doesn’t include the nag but the M$ page seems to indicate otherwise. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4530692/windows-7-update-kb4530692

      • #2018018 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Yes, the way I read it, the SO has the nag as well.

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    • #2018028 Reply

      WildBill
      AskWoody Plus

      From the Computerworld article:

      Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

      Just a reminder for the amnesiacs…

      Windows 8.1, 64-bit, back in Group A... & leaning toward Windows 10 V1909. As long as it's a Lot Less Buggy!
      Wild Bill Rides Again...

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    • #2018046 Reply

      anonymous

      No word yet on the Access query bug being fixed in this round of updates?

    • #2018072 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      KB4533002 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.3 for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64 KB4530684 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64-baseed Systems KB4532441

      Those two rolled in my NAS yesterday evening, got them on my Dell Latitude E5420 this morning.  No AutoPilot update for either of those machines.  No hiccups, no issues.

      I went seeking on my desktop this morning and got the Malicious Software Removal Tool.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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    • #2018076 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      I didn’t realize Gregg Keizer of Computerworld wrote this article a few days ago about MSE support on Win7 ending on Jan. 14, 2020:
      https://www.computerworld.com/article/3489036/microsoft-to-end-updates-to-windows-7s-free-av-software-security-essentials.html

      no more new MSE definition updates for Win7 will be made after that EOL date

      and yes PKCano is right about the KB4530692 update – EOSNotify.exe is included in that recent Win7 security-only update (that small app that shows the Win7 EOL nags) as I checked the contents of that patch myself and downloaded the 4530692.csv file info list from MS support and EOSNotify.exe is listed on there

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      • #2018144 Reply

        anonymous

        It’s funny but when I removed MSE from 3 out of 4  of my windows 7 64 bit laptops that were running MSE, I get a message to update the Windows defender definitions and  I can not find any Windows defender installed on the laptops. Now Windows Defender on 7 was supplanted by MSE and after uninstalling MSE the action center flags are going off requesting that I find some security software and also update the Win Defender definitions.

        But you are correct MS needs to support those definition updates at least for keeping the botnets from taking over. But I guess that MSE has been going downhill for me for the last 8 months as its been having failures to start properly on startup and after reboots and black screened one of my laptops that was running MSE after is was rebooting to Apply the Windows 7 Security Only update for Nov 2019.

        I have to say that MS has been mostly ignoring MSE for many months in 2019 in the process of ending support for MSE after Jan 2020 so maybe it’s time to look for other options even if that’s some paid options. So with around 25% of Windows OS users still expected to be on Windows 7 after Jan 2020 there may be a market for post 7 EOL security software that specializes in protecting 7 longer term and has extra Zero Day awareness added in to some extended level that folks would pay extra for. There is that 0patch offering but what about integrating that with some Virus/Firewall real time protection features as well for more protection after Jan 2020 on Windows 7.

        I’m now Looking at Security Software but I do not want any Security Software that forces me to remain online and connected just to perform scans of my system. I’m fine with license verification after installation, and to install definition updates, but I’d rather have Scan ability while not being forced to remain connected. I want nothing to do with cloud based security solutions on my laptops and really just want Virus/Firewall and the Real Time protections that can make use of downloaded definitions that are updated daily.

        Folks running 7 after its EOL are really going to have to install some No-Script and other Browser plugins that can block everything possible if they plan going Protection Free with their security software after MSE is no longer getting definition/engine updates. And many of those free options have spying as a source of income under the “Free” business model so that’s more to consider as well.

    • #2018203 Reply

      shaun.calton
      AskWoody Lounger

      Just had an interesting blip on my Windows 10 -1909 device with the 12-2019 Cumulative Update (KB4530684).

      After the update was installed and the PC was restarted, I noted that my Drive Mappings were no longer available and my AD management tools could not find the domain to PC is bound to.  The associated message was that Naming was not available due to the RPC server not being available.

      Rolling the update back has corrected the issues but I wanted to put this out there for anyone listening.

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    • #2018265 Reply

      bill_rothman
      AskWoody Plus

      Yesterday (Tuesday evening) I tried to install yesterday’s patches on my pretty-much vanilla 8 year old Dell XPS laptop. The update tried to install, but just hung. After what I considered enough time for something to happen, I did the unthinkable: I powered off the machine and rebooted it in safe mode. Windows then reverted the changes (I was surprised, to say the least). I then rebooted and the machine booted normally, but then tried to install an update, which hung again. I repeated the power off, boot to safe mode procedure, but this time I turned Microsoft Update b****y off. It will remain  turned off until Woody and Ms. Susan sound the ‘all clear’. The laptop is now running just fine without whatever updates MS wanted me to have. Other than the “missing updates preventing any Updates” riot a few years ago, I have never had any problems with Microsoft Update, believing that the lack of any software other than MS Office would keep me safe. Oh, well. Perhaps this is Microsoft’s subtle hint that I should buy a shiny new Windows 10 machine… 🙂

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      • #2019781 Reply

        bill_rothman
        AskWoody Plus

        Followup: I checked Microsoft Update today (Sunday) and found that KB-4530734, 2019-12 Security Monthly Quarterly Roll-up, had failed to install. I tried installing it from MS Update, and it installed just fine this time. I have turned MS Update back on, and put the new machine purchase (Dell apparently does not support Win 10 on my old XPS-720x laptop).

    • #2018278 Reply

      rick41
      AskWoody Plus

      I see that the Win7 EOL date of January 14, 2020 is a Patch Tuesday.  (BTW, isn’t it curious how Patch Tues is on the latest possible date that month?) Does anyone know whether people who still have Win7 on Jan 14 (probably including myself, Group A) will be offered the January updates?  And if so, will they remain available later in the month?

      EDIT:  I now see that the ghacks article says Win7 updates *will* be offered in January.  But I still wonder if they will *remain* available.

    • #2018289 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      Perhaps this is a possible strategy:

      (1) Install the updates, as usual, once it becomes clear they are harmless, the SO included, first for December and then for January, creating a restore point before installing the December SO, but after installing the other December patches.

      (2) When the NAG flash screen shows up, try pushing the “Don’t show me this screen again” button in it.

      (3) If this button-pushing does not work, confirming the darkest suspicions of people around here, first try hacking the Register, as explained by Lawrence Abrams in the ‘Bleeping Computer’ article, or else use the restore point created in step (2) to restore the OS to its state before installing the December SO patch and all the January patches. (Or if one is really ambitions, create an ISO disk image of the state of the system at that earlier time, instead of a restore point, and use it to do the restore.)

      (4) Reinstall the important January patches, besides the SO and IE11. In case they are no longer available by then (unlikely, but you know what? It’s MS!), it might not be a bad idea to have saved, earlier on, all their .msu files, downloaded directly from the Catalog.

      (5) Subscribe, before January 14th, to a Win-7-afterlife independent patching service such as ‘0patch’ and hope for the best. As usual.

      Worth considering: 0patch for Win7 after January 2020

      Comments welcome.

      Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W + Mac&Lx

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    • #2018486 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      Probably irrelevant, bu my Microsoft Lumia 950 still gets updates occasionally.  I got one this morning, don’t know if it’s related to Patch Tuesday.  I’m now on Windows 10 Version 1709 OS Build 10.0.15254.600.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

    • #2018591 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      It was related, but it’s the last one you’ll get

      Not a concern.  The probability of miscreants, malcontents and/or ne’er-do-wells enthusiastically targeting Windows Phones with malware seems to me to be rather remote.

      Back in February I bought a new spare Lumia 950 for less than $200, much cheaper than replacing it with any other “flagship” mobile phone; I don’t care for Android, and won’t pay the Apple tax.  My original is still working quite well, but one never knows.

      I haven’t updated my spare since February, so I swapped out the SIM, installed the battery and powered it up.  I’ve installed 128 updates (after downloading and a restart) and it’s now fully updated, as well, powered off and battery removed, ready for service when the time comes.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

    • #2019232 Reply

      anonymous

      Had to reset the computer and I have instaleld 1909-nothing out of the unusual at the moment, but all programs and functions are now normal. 🙂 Sighhh~TOOK ME A day and a half and with somewhat sleep to get everything back to normal. 🙂

    • #2019750 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP
    • #2020107 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP

      Blocker Toolkit to disable automatic delivery of Microsoft Edge

      Microsoft will distribute Microsoft Edge (Chromium-based) through Automatic Updates for Windows 10 RS4 (1803) and newer.

      i guess this might happen tomorrow or next week

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    • #2020128 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Bogdan Popa just posted a link to this problem with Outlook, reported on the MS Answers forum by DGilfor:

      My Outlook 2007 stopped sending/receiving email from my gmail account after installing this update. I tried rebuilding my account and changing it from POP3 to IMAP but nothing worked. Outlook could not find my gmail account. My internet was ok. I uninstalled the update and outlook started working again. Anyone else have this issue?

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    • #2054749 Reply

      honx
      AskWoody Lounger

      i deactivated both EOSNotify and EOSNotify2 in task scheduler Microsoft/Windows/Setup.

      i couldn’t find anything in registry regarding, so in registry i didn’t change anything:
      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\EOSNotify
      or
      HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\EOSNotify

      PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
      Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

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