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    #2419212

    This is mind blowing to me.

    I have tried various settings of either wushowhide or wumgr and still these driver downloads keep coming………

    All I am trying to do is ensure that I don’t get MS Store updates (in the form of DCH drivers).

    I’ve tried the following settings with wumgr:

    1.  Automatic Update (ON), Disable Store Auto Update (ON)
    2.  Disable Automatic Updates (ON), Disable Store Auto Update (ON)
    3.  Manual Download/Install (ON), Disable Store Auto Update (ON)
    4.  Manual Download/Install (ON), Disable Automatic Update (ON), Disable Store Auto Update (ON)

    Each test followed this procedure:

    1. New installation of Windows 10 21H2 Pro with no connection to the internet.
    2. Opened wumgr and ran it.  Made the settings and then rebooted.  Opened wumgr again and verified the settings, leaving it running.
    3. Logged on to the internet for the first time.
    4. Clicked the refresh/search button in wumgr.
    5. About the same time, the three downloads from the MS store (or where ever the heck they are coming from) downloaded and installed.

    I’ve also done all tests with “Include Drivers” either checked or unchecked.  Please check out the images below.  So, I’m pretty frustrated trying to figure this out and reading countless articles on how-to.  There are way too many variables.

    But I would appreciate any ideas.

    Thanks

    Mike

    • This topic was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by Mike. Reason: Added correct Win10 version as Pro
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    • #2419230

      You have disable “Update apps automaticallyin the MS Store app itself.

      Step12

      Step3

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    • #2419236

      All these years I’ve never had a Microsoft account, so perhaps it’s time to get one. The problem I see is as soon as I enable the internet and log on just to do what you’re suggesting then the downloads will be downloaded and installed.

      Note:  This isn’t an update to an existing app, it’s the app itself. Don’t need it.  For example, the Intel graphics control panel, is just a bunch of advertising.  Not only that, but the application doesn’t completely uninstall.

      Perhaps there’s a way around this irritating forced update… and it would be nice to cherry pick the applications you want rather than turn the whole MS Store off.

      • #2419333

        Actually, you don’t need a Microsoft account to access the MS Store app and its settings.

        I don’t have one either and MS Store still works when I need it to (i.e. manually updating a specific app.)

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    • #2419262

      Update!  Here’s where it really gets interesting if anyone wants to tackle this mystery.

      Regardless of turning off the switch in the MS Store to block the updates and installation of apps, these 3 apps still update.  The same issue using the Group Policy Editor where you can make a similar setting offline.  I also tried a variety of ways to pause WU updates.

      Mike

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    • #2419291

      In Windows Pro you can block driver updates.
      In Windows 10 you can block Windows drivers update too.

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      • #2419375

        Yes, tried that Alex. Doesn’t make a bit of difference for these particular DCH components (Noted above and in my other posts).

    • #2419319

      Two things which might be of some relevance despite not being an exact solution.

      re the Intel software which “doesn’t completely uninstall” – I’ve seen that, it’s an AppX component, an application type used by Dell update drivers and others as well (these also cause image preparation with Sysprep to fail, which explains both why some Dell will arrive with older update software and indicate Intel don’t test their software for OEM operation compatibility, as the software there I had to remove came from Windows update. The drivers worked OK without the component.).

      You remove these components from a command prompt with DISM.

      dism /online /Get-ProvisionedAppxPackages > %userprofile%\desktop\windowsappxcomponents.txt

      In an elevated CMD prompt, the above (that’s all one line..) will get the list into a file on the desktop; review it and note the packagename parameter for anything you need to remove and use the following and simply add the package name after the terminal colon on this line (again, it’s all one line..)

      DISM.exe /Image:C:\test\offline /Remove-ProvisionedAppxPackage
      /PackageName:

      This can take more than one go (error 9 being common if a process for the software is active) – a second attempt should finish the job.

      Secondly, I believe one of Mike’s machines is a Lenovo. You might have to live with some Lenovo drivers as they have historically used the platform binary table to insert low level Lenovo components into the OS at install (and indeed if you remove these Windows will reinstall them immediately as the source is the UEFI firmware) and thus it’s more important to run up to date firmware with these systems, as protection products can not act against such drivers.

      Needless to say this isn’t the best way to do things if there is a problem with that software, that and the action of the system is made plain here:

      https://support.lenovo.com/gb/en/solutions/ps500018-lenovo-service-engine-lse-bios-for-notebook

       

       

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    • #2419320

      BIG error! the second DISM command should read

      DISM.exe /Online /Remove-ProvisionedAppxPackage /PackageName:

       

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    • #2419374

      oldguy: Thanks for the information, that’s a good read. Where do you come up with this stuff, does it just pop into your head? You must have an incredible repository up there…the things you know about.

      Couple of points: First, I do indeed have a Lenovo laptop, however it’s one of the latest versions with the latest BIOS. Who knows whether or not Lenovo is up to their tricks again. Entirely possible.

      Personally I think that the Lenovo based drivers that I download and install on a new clean installation of my own OS are partial, and then the DCH components are pulled from the MS Store once connected to the internet. I also have a sneaking suspicion that even deleting these components, that they will just reinstall. But it’s worth a try.  Hope that all makes sense.

      In conclusion I’m fairly resigned to allowing these three drivers or control panels to download and install.  I’ve always tended to gravitate toward PC-based computers (for thinking I have some control), but it seems like you’re either all-in or all-out…..much like the “walled gardens” of Android or Apple (no offense to the users here).

      Mike

    • #2419422

      First, I do indeed have a Lenovo laptop

      Do you have installed/ use Lenovo’s Vantage app ? Is it configured to auto install updates, drivers..?
      If so, remove it.

      For drivers use OEM sites and download directly.
      For BIOS/Firmware use Lenovo’s support site for your specific Lenovo model.

      I use Lenovo Y530, no Vantage app, no drivers downloading.

      • #2419455

        You are correct Alex. The Vantage app doesn’t do much more than what you can do by yourself. There is a commercial version for enterprise that’s a little less intrusive.

        However, I don’t have it installed. Just the basic drivers and my own OS.

        For your information, a lot of the Realtek audio drivers from Lenovo have a packaged program called Nahimic. It’s questionable.

        In fact, rhe Realtek audio drivers, Intel graphics command center, and Intel thunderbolt control center are the ones that insist on downloading additional DCH components.

        Thanks for the ideas.

        • #2419508

          My Y530 has Realtek audio but no Nahimic files.
          I download DCH drivers directly from Intel. Nvidia…

          I manage DCH GPU updates for Intel, Nvidia, AMD on Lenovo Gaming forum here

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        • #2419627

          Thanks Alex.  I’ll check out your posts.  Yes, I’ve seen the Intel DCH drivers for their NUC platforms.  Do you have any links for the Intel Thunderbolt and Realtek DCH drivers?  (Realtek s website is all old stuff).

    • #2419578

      My spouse’s laptop (Lenovo T series Win10Pro last updated 2018 – my custom install, not what came from Lenovo) sits and never get used.  Booted it up with no internet this week.  Ran Group Policy Editor, set Do not install drivers with Windows Update.  Connected internet.  Ran Windows10Upgrade9252.exe to bring current faster than a series of updates and restarts.  After update, looking at Apps.  ALL drivers listed have an install date of the day I did the update.  Run Windows Update to get some more updates.  It shows drivers as optional updates.  Check GPE – it is reset as well.  Reset GPE no drivers with Winupdate.  Run WinUpdate again.  No optional updates.

      I find the same behavior on custom built desktops as well, so I don’t think it is Lenovo related – that GPE is only a pacifier to delude the public into thinking they have ANY control over what the softies decide is in my best interest.  I’ve tried using the registry editor to effect the no drivers in WinUpdate as well with same result.

      Alex I have found that the GPE setting is completely ignored.  I have found it doesn’t seem to matter whether I have ever logged into a MS Account or not.  I have systems logged in and those that have never been logged in ever and still the same situation.

      What is the “one ring to rule them all” to forevermore stop Windows from ever updating my drivers for Win10Pro?  I understand that most users don’t know/care about driver updates.  I also know not all driver updates are good/beneficial.

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    • #2419587

      My 3 year old custom built desktop (currently running Win10 Pro 21H2) has never gotten any driver updates except those I “manually” downloaded and installed myself.

      I enabled the GPE setting “Do not include drivers with Windows Updates” right after first activating it back in Nov 2018 and currently the following 5 registry locations all contain a dword entry of ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate = 1

      HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy Objects\{8A52A48E-FEA9-4271-9DBD-43C7C115EE34}Machine\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
      
      HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy Objects\{C005BD12-81BF-4665-BCB5-2FC5BF8301BC}Machine\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
      
      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\PolicyState
      
      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings
      
      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate

      Not sure why there are 2 “duplicate” Group Policy Object keys (maybe due to my “manually” updating it from Win10 1809 -> 1903 -> 20H2 -> 21H2, but I’m not about to try removing either one since that might mess up things.

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      • #2419645

        to clarify further the post by @alejr:
        Double check the settings for WU within GPedit which

        Type in search type gpedit.msc and double click to opem.

        Navigate to:
        Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update

        On the right side, double-click
        ‘Do not include drivers with Windows Update policy’
        select the ENABLE radio button, then APPLY and OK

        Group policy FTW, should take precidence over anything 😉

        "-rw-rw-rw-" extreme computing
        • #2419646

          I have 6 times proved that to NOT be true.  I enabled this policy.  Run the update Windows10Upgrade9252.exe.  Afterward, the policy is reset back to NOT enabled.  And drivers were installed without notification in the process.

        • #2419692

          The problem is, by design, Windows10Upgrade9252.exe resets all group policy settings back to Microsoft’s predetermined defaults (i.e. automatically download and install all available updates.)

          To avoid that, download the upgrade ISO, create an upgrade USB and, when you run it, select the option to not check for updates during the upgrade (or run it while off-line.)

          Then verify your group policy settings are still set the way you want them before it runs it’s next check for updates.

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