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  • Early 20H2 observations

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      • #2308389
        PFC
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10 Pro 64. 2004 (since June no issues) to 20H2 Oct 28 vis Download/Install.

        No issues, took approx 2 hours.

        Removed gpedit changes, only had notification #2 set.

        Since update, Optional Update for KB4580364 (a preview) still sitting there.

        On shutdown for the night last night KB4580419 (a .net Preview) installed.

        My question is, why did it install the .net preview and should I install KB4580364 that is described as addressing many issues?

         

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      • #2308392
        PKCano
        Manager

        Cumulative Update Previews are always described as addressing many issues.

        Previews contain last month’s Security CU (from the previous Patch Tues) and the non-security fixes MS has been working on since the last Patch Tues.
        The Previews are meant for testing these fixes to see if they are effective and if they cause any unseen problems. If OK, these fixes are rolled into the next month’s Patch Tues Security CU.

        Because of this, the Preview CUs are optional. And because of this, Woody does not recommend installing the Previews. But it is your choice whether or not you want to install the Previews and participate in the testing phase of the fixes to be included in next Patch Tuesday’s updates..

      • #2308393
        PFC
        AskWoody Plus

        Sorry, I missed the edit window, it was the 2004 update that took 2 hours, the 20H2 only took 12 minutes.

        The .net preview did NOT give me a choice, it just installed.

         

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        • #2308399
          PKCano
          Manager

          Explanation for that time difference:
          2004 and 20H2 have the same core. The difference is that in 20H2 the extra Features are turned on. If you are running 2004, basically everything is already there and the upgrade to 20H2 is only the implementation of the turning on of the Features.

          On shutdown for the night last night KB4580419 (a .net Preview) installed. My question is, why did it install the .net preview



          @abbodi86
          gives an explanation for the .NET Preview behavior in the related discussions here, and here, and here.

           

        • #2308398
          PFC
          Guest

          so I uninstalled KB4580419 and it installed KB4578968 instead. Makes sense.

          thanks PK.

      • #2308406
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        A bit of a tangent here, asking if the GP setting is still available in 20H2 to avoid previews altogether?
        W10 1909 (OS build) 18363.1139 has the following under ‘Windows Update for Business’
        Which, once enabled, and set to disabled in the drop down menu, Avoids ALL previews.
        Checked via WUMgr and wushowhide and no previews appear whatsoever.(and don’t have any installed)
        Might be a setting to visit and ammend..

        NoPreviews

        W10, the itch you simply cannot scratch!
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        • #2308428
          anonymous
          Guest

          That’s about preview builds – prevents opting-in to Insider Program:

          How to Enable or Disable Insider Build Settings in Windows 10

          Wouldn’t affect any previews other than feature releases.

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        • #2308429
          anonymous
          Guest

          The Manage Preview Builds group policy is still there in 20H2.  Unfortunately, after enabling it and selecting Disable preview builds, KB4580364 is still offered and installed if you click download and install now.  Note that this update doesn’t appear in wushowhide, only in the windows update settings panel.  I’m not being offered any .NET previews so I can’t test the group policy for that case.  The .NET previews are the most aggravating, since they’re prone to “surprise” installs.  I’ll leave the GP set, since I can’t think of a downside, and we’ll see what happens.  But, it’s not a magic bullet 🙁

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          • #2308462
            Microfix
            AskWoody MVP

            On the cautious side of updates, think I’ll keep that setting as is 😉

            W10, the itch you simply cannot scratch!
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            PFC
      • #2319796
        PFC
        AskWoody Plus

        What am I missing?
        File Explorer is not showing it’s own computer in Network.
        Both computers Win10 Pro 64 at 20H2 up to date, wired connection.
        Dell XPS 2720 i7 and Microsoft Surface Pro 3 i5.
        Ping both ways.
        File sharing same on both.
        SMB 1 turned on, both.
        I have other communication problems between computers but I have
        workaround so I’ll just ask about this specific issue for now in
        case it’s related.

        edit. I’ll get another pic from SP3, sorry.

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        • #2319830
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Windows home networking is notorious for not “seeing” PCs, including the one you’re on. If it’s otherwise OK, sit back and ignore it.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2319849
            PFC
            AskWoody Plus

            Windows home networking is notorious for not “seeing” PCs, including the one you’re on. If it’s otherwise OK, sit back and ignore it.

            cheers, Paul

            I’ve had these two puters since 1703 and until 2004 no issues.

            I have a printer, usb attached to the XPS and now can’t use it from SP3, one of “the other problems”; had to install Printershare as workaround.
            Can’t browse the XPS files from SP3, keep failing on Credential issues, that problem is widely reported.
            Can’t do windows remote desktop, again for Credential problem. Workaround for these two is 3rd party remote software (Teamviewer).
            Can’t access common DB file like Excel/Word, workaround is putting it on Onedrive.

            Individually the computers are just fine. So, otherwise OK

            • #2320044
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              I suggest you start a new topic for this one.

              cheers, Paul

              • #2320056
                PFC
                AskWoody Plus

                I suggest you start a new topic for this one.

                cheers, Paul

                My issues seem to touch the edge of more serious problems that Microsoft promises to fix. See a Nov 10 ZDNET article (I hesitate to add links).
                Just today this XPS box was offered the 2020-12 CU for the 3rd time this month (not the SP3), the 8th,11th and today. Maybe MS is trying.

                I’ll wait before “flogging the dead horse”

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