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      • #2358706
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

          ISSUE 18.14 • 2021-04-19 PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley The April 13 updates bring a close to “old”  or “legacy” Edge and force us to say hello t
        [See the full post at: End of the road for old Edge]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2358728
        anonymous
        Guest

        I have to admit I was a bit disappointed that for the most part with Legacy Edge gone we are now back to mostly browsers working off a single browser engine which is Chromium. It does make all these Chromium based browsers a pretty big target. I get that Microsoft seemed unwilling to invest in its own browser engine and it certainly had very little success with the original Edge. But some of that was Microsoft’s own doing making Edge only run within Windows 10. Chrome is still dominating and that’s even more scary given that we have so many other good choices for browsers.

      • #2358748
        WSMRCS
        AskWoody Lounger

        “Sometimes I don’t understand Microsoft updates, do you?”

        I guess I do because I don’t understand what you don’t understand. Was there something inadvertently left out of that section?

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by WSMRCS.
      • #2358753
        anonymous
        Guest

        What’s wrong with Edge? I switched from Chrome a couple months ago and think it’s as good or better than Chrome.

      • #2358766
        Tex265
        AskWoody Plus

        Back when New Edge was introduced, if you manually installed it, you retained the ability to uninstall it (shows in Add/Remove Programs).

        Will this uninstall still remain after the April CU?

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v20H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
        • #2358772
          b
          AskWoody MVP

          No, that uninstall option is now unavailable to me after April cumulative update.

          Windows 10 Pro version 21H1 build 19043.985 + Microsoft 365 (group ASAP)

        • #2358794
          CraigS26
          AskWoody Plus

          Back when New Edge was introduced, if you manually installed it, you retained the ability to uninstall it (shows in Add/Remove Programs). Will this uninstall still remain after the April CU?

          I Manually Installed it way back and it Remains in Control Panel after April CU.…… 98% Used just to Test Firefox issues…..

          W10 Pro 20H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

          • #2358817
            b
            AskWoody MVP

            With an Uninstall option, not just Change/Repair?

            (That would be the opposite of my experience.)

            Windows 10 Pro version 21H1 build 19043.985 + Microsoft 365 (group ASAP)

        • #2358875
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          See the article, I talk about this.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

          • #2358949
            Tex265
            AskWoody Plus

            See the article, I talk about this.

            Unless I’m missing something, you talk about the process of how to remove Edge via the rather involved command line process which I think was always the case IF you allowed Windows to install New Edge via the Windows Updater.

            This question is simply will the ability to uninstall New Edge still be available via the Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs like it is now, if it was manually installed?

            Windows 10 Pro x64 v20H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
            • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by Tex265.
      • #2358786
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        FYI, only versions 1909/2004 got the new Edge and removed legacy Edge with April CU
        versions 1809/1803 will have that in May

      • #2358805
        anonymous
        Guest

        “Sometimes I don’t understand Microsoft updates, do you?”

        It’s about time they fixed the behavior of “Apply updates and Shutdown”.  Several times I have shut down a machine telling it to “Apply updates”.  It would only do half, or less of the job and the next time I wanted to use the machine I was greeted with a 1-2 hour wait while it completed the rest of the job.  Very annoying when you think you are going to look at something quickly.  I trained myself to never take that option any more but then have to remember to come back later and shut the machine down.

      • #2358814
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Fairwell, legacy Edge! Good idea, bad timing? ChrEdge is cheaper to develop, I suppose, plus its one major platform for everyone, that can be usefull too. On the other hand, one vulnerability to “rule them all”. But who is trully safe these days?

        Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 20H2 Enterprise

        HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

      • #2358822
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        Castrol Edge is for my daily driver to the end of the road..

        W10, the itch you simply cannot scratch!
        • #2359081
          anonymous
          Guest

          Titanium Edge, little ball bearings or slippy shingles, something.  Ionic repulsion, that’s it!

          I use the stuff too; gotta wonder how much Castrol John Force was responsible for selling over his career?

      • #2358864
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        I have a DYMO Labelwriter 400 on my older Win 10 computer which is at 2004 with Feb 2021 updates 19041.804 (I skipped March and so far April W10 updates).

        The DYMO printer is at the old version of around 7. something because that was the software that I liked better than their newer 8 series software. My question is, has MS fixed the DYMO printer issue or will I be forced to update the DYMO software?

        Thanks

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        All Win 10 Pro at 20H2 (2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

        • #2358874
          b
          AskWoody MVP

          The problem was with 8.7.3 and a workaround was to use 8.5.4, so your 7 something may be OK and not print blank labels after March/April update.

          Windows 10 Pro version 21H1 build 19043.985 + Microsoft 365 (group ASAP)

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      • #2358867
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’m on windows version 20H2 and when I get an update, after it’s downloaded it tells me it will restart in so many minutes unless I do it manually, which I usually do and I have no bother. Normally it takes about 5 to 10 minutes from start to finish. Admittedly I mainly use my laptop for browsing and email but I seldom get any trouble from new updates, maybe I’m just lucky.

      • #2358923
        bwsantana
        AskWoody Plus

        This morning my Office 2010 on a Windows 7 machine  was found to be unlicensed.  This has to be a result of a recent update as it has been working fine.  What is going on with MS?  First nasty notices that the product is unsupported, now no access to any of my Word files and probably Excel as well.  Is there a work-around.  I am very tired of MS bullying to force a new web-based subscription.

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        • #2358928
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          Go back through the activation and see if it re-activates.  I’ve seen that before and it usually does.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

          • #2358943
            bwsantana
            AskWoody Plus

            Thank you for that advice!  It appears to be successful, although I have not thoroughly tested functionality, I have what appears to be normal document response.  Previously I would automatically be forced to re-activate at some interval.  Now it appears that I have to activate manually or it will remove the license and force me to a web-based version.

      • #2358944
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        What’s wrong with Edge? I switched from Chrome a couple months ago and think it’s as good or better than Chrome.

        It can’t be better than Chrome if Edge IS Chrome including the security bugs that are patched in Edge only after they are patched in Chrome.

        Example :

        Title: Microsoft Security Update Releases
        Issued: April 15, 2021
        **************************************************************************************

        Summary
        =======

        The following Chrome CVEs have been released on April 15, 2021.

        These CVE were assigned by Chrome. Microsoft Edge (Chromium-based) ingests Chromium,
        which addresses these vulnerabilities. Please see Google Chrome Releases for more information.

        See

        Security Update Guide Supports CVEs Assigned by Industry Partners


        for more information about third-party CVEs in the Security Update Guide.

        * CVE-2021-21201
        * CVE-2021-21202
        * CVE-2021-21203
        * CVE-2021-21204
        * CVE-2021-21205
        * CVE-2021-21207
        * CVE-2021-21208
        * CVE-2021-21209
        * CVE-2021-21210
        * CVE-2021-21211
        * CVE-2021-21212
        * CVE-2021-21213
        * CVE-2021-21214
        * CVE-2021-21215
        * CVE-2021-21216
        * CVE-2021-21217
        * CVE-2021-21218
        * CVE-2021-21219
        * CVE-2021-21221

        Revision Information:
        =====================

        – Version 1.0
        – Reason for Revision: Information published.
        – Originally posted: April 15, 2021

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by Alex5723.
        • #2358947
          b
          AskWoody MVP

          It can’t be better than Chrome if Edge IS Chrome including the security bugs that are patched in Edge only after they are patched in Chrome.

          Example :

          Title: Microsoft Security Update Releases
          Issued: April 15, 2021
          **************************************************************************************

          Summary
          =======

          The following Chrome CVEs have been released on April 15, 2021.

          Patched by Microsoft Edge the same day:

          Release notes for Microsoft Edge Security Updates 04/15/2021

          What’s the big deal?

          Windows 10 Pro version 21H1 build 19043.985 + Microsoft 365 (group ASAP)

          • #2359068
            Bob99
            AskWoody Plus

            BTW, check for an Edge update…I just got 90.0.818.42 just a few minutes ago when I manually checked for Edge updates from within Edge. I was already on 90.0.818.41 when I checked. Why did I do that you may ask? Well, simply because of the recently concluded conference on finding zero-days, and knowing that Chrome is one of their favorites, along with Firefox!

            Manually checking from within the browser is how I also found out that FF updated today to 88 for the release channel, and I immediately updated it. I’ve posted elsewhere that’s more appropriate about that particular experience.

            • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 4 days ago by Bob99.
      • #2358962
        Norio
        AskWoody Plus

        I’ve noted before that when I’ve set a default PDF viewer and then installed new Edge, it has been necessary to reset the preference. Resetting default applications always has been problematic in Windows 10; it has often taken several feature releases before things settled down and defaults were respected.

        In my experience, PDF defaults are never initially respected by Windows 10.  It seems that every time I set up a new Windows 10 system, and install Adobe Acrobat, Windows will complain that it “ran into a problem” and had to reset the default association for PDFs (back to Edge).  I sometimes have to reset it back to Acrobat twice before Win10 stops this nonsense.

      • #2358968
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        What’s the big deal?

        The big deal is that Chrome finds and fix and Microsoft copy.

      • #2358970
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        In my experience, PDF defaults are never initially respected by Windows 10

        In my experience W10 always respect my PDF default app which is Sumatra portable.

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      • #2359034
        anonymous
        Guest

        R.I.P. old Edge.

         

      • #2359074
        Bob99
        AskWoody Plus

        So I have a question for the MS cognoscenti here. Per Susan’s post,

        The Windows 10 updates released in April will remove legacy Edge and replace it with new Edge.

        I got Chredge installed/upgraded from legacy Edge when I took the leap to 20H2 from 2004. I currently do not have the option to uninstall Chredge, only to repair it, but I’m OK with that. My question therefore is: Since I already have Chredge fully updated, will the April patch only remove the inner workings and executables of legacy Edge and not try to install Chredge?

        UPDATE: Never mind answering, I found the answer in the article on MS that Susan’s article refers to in the hyperlink in the quote just above in this post. Guess I shoulda looked before posting!! 😳😳

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 4 days ago by Bob99.
      • #2359078
        anonymous
        Guest

        Wow, browser wars have migrated from Ghacks to Woody!  Browsers are free, use whatever you want; one is not “better” than another.  Same with Linux, free, go for it!

        Early April updates didn’t try to install Chredge; Edge is still on our one machine that’s been updated, blocked by the firewall.  I guess the powershell method of obliterating Chredge still works.  I do updates from the catalog offline, safer that way.

        The thing about this Chredge beast is it’s not nearly as entwined in the OS the way edge was, so there should be ways to get rid of it forever or at least block it.  Chromium’s more or less an OS itself; I don’t see Google letting MS hijack it.

        Chromium OS is Linux, right?  🙂

      • #2359154
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        Chromium OS is Linux, right?

        Indeed, a distant linux cousin.
        I’ll admit that I liked the initial idea of a browser encompassing all but tied to Google…no thanks. If only some clever developer/s could do the same sans Google…with another browser, that would be interesting. BraveOS? for instance.
        Perhaps this is what MSFT have in mind for ChrEdge?

        W10, the itch you simply cannot scratch!
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