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    This topic contains 121 replies, has 11 voices, and was last updated by  Kirsty 1 month, 3 weeks ago.

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    • #190931 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @woody:   What is the difference between the selections “favorite” and “subscribe”which are showing in the upper R. corner? 

      I’ve been having problems getting any e-mail notices for about 5 days now, and wondering how I can get these so I won’t get left out of the loop.  Has anything changed in the way the menu is being handled recently, or is it just I who is having the problem?  Thank you for all of the great work you do for all of us…… ALWAYS!     🙂

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    • #191394 Reply

      Kirsty
      AskWoody MVP

      Favorite adds the topic to your profile’s Favorite list, whereas Subscribe is to have emails of new posts sent to you; you may subcribe to a topic or a forum. When you subscribe to a forum, you only get notified when new topics are added, not when new replies are added to that topic, unless you have since subscribed to the topic.

      There have been sporadic reports of missing emails since the move to Google Cloud about 2 months ago, but on the whole, there has been no change that should have affected the behavior of send emails from this end since then.

      Maybe there is a spam filter between send and receive, that has gobbled up your notification emails? Have you checked the usual spam folders/whitelists etc?

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      • #191760 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @kirsty:  I finally searched until I located this subject, to which I’m sure I had already subscribed.     Nothing I do seems to help me keep up with “anything”.   I am showing already subscribed to these subjects, and out of all I subscribed to, I have only received ONE notice, and that was probably the “new” topic Woody posted.   That is the ONLY one, and nothing subsequent to that one message.

        I’ll just have to continue to do as “geekdom” (I think it was) who recommended that I check for the “recently active topics” to try to get to the menu.  Takes much more time to do this, however it appears that I have no choice.

        I just checked this to verify, and “yes”, it is showing “unsubscribe”.

        These topics are only showing “unsubscribe” so what other option is there?  I have this message marked “notify me of follow-up replies via e-mail”, however I’m sure I won’t see any.   🙁   🙁

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        • #191809 Reply

          Kirsty
          AskWoody MVP

          Changing email addresses has worked here, so you might like to try that, but as I mentioned, the system was changed a few weeks ago (that link was much earlier).

          If you are seeing “Unsubscribe” on any topic/forum, you are subscribed to it; it’s just a matter of where your emails are getting stuck, rather than landing in your Inbox…
          There shouldn’t be any difference between selecting Nofity Me when you create replies, and clicking Subscribe at the top of a page.

          The other handy link that is worth checking is: Topics with my reply

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          • #191820 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @kirsty:  Thank you for your take on these issues….   I will just have to bite the bullet until I can find some way to correct the situation.  I appreciate your thoughts about this issue.   I simply don’t have the time to try to set up another account at the moment, however “if and when” I will give it a try.   I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts about this problem.    It could have been that the May 2nd date shows because that’s the date I received it and I was offline for a while.    Thank you once again.    🙂

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    • #191776 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Walker

      Who provides your email access–what ISP (Internet Service Provider) allows you to have emails?

      How to you access your email–do you go to a website–or do you have a Windows Client on your system that downloads emails to your PC–which one?

      Do you know what we mean when we ask you if you have checked your *spam filter*? That would be happening at the level of your email provider, and the only way to check that is by accessing your email via the email provider’s website–and most likely not at your local PC email client. Your local email client may also have a *spam filter*–but, that is a different *spam filter* than your email provider.

      If your email provider is filtering out emails that it considers being *spam*, then you will never see it on you local email client program.

      Can you help us by answering the above questions? We can then work through the steps to help you check things out, and maybe find a solution for you.

      For your information, I’ve seen several others complain about not getting email notifications–it seems to be that this forum software has random glitches that effect some folks, but not others–with no explanation, and the problem does not appear to be subject to review and correction by the development (software experts) team. I stopped getting email notifications back in approx. Sept., 2017, when this software suffered a major meltdown–to my knowledge, it has never worked since then.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #191813 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:  I use the same ISP that I always use  (a package deal).   I’ve never had a problem with the ISP – – – .     Also the “first time” I noted that I was not receiving any notifications, was the last time that there was an update to this site.   I think the last notification I received was May 2nd.    Then “nothing” until I signed up for the “new” topic”, “Our Newest Forum:  Access Tech”.   Now this “new” email notification is the ONLY one I have received and that was on May 9th.

        Here’s the last part of that message:

        Functionality is beautiful, and the “classic” Windows appearance is just right for me… skeuomorphic enough to immediately register interactive UI elements as such in my mind, but not to the ridiculous extent that Apple used to take it (with address book programs having a UI that looks like a leather-bound book and that has dog-eared pages and what not).
        <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526065676234_2506″>Think I might just need to repost some of this in the aforementioned forum.</p>
        <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526065676234_2508″>Post Link: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/our-newest-forum-access-tech/#post-191359</p>

        *****************************************************************************

        The e-mail I use has its own filter for spam, however it lists each and every email it has marked as spam, and that way I keep the “real spam” out by default.   I usually have only a very few which are true spam, and occasionally a “good one is marked as spam”, and then I just click on “not spam” which moves it into the “inbox”.   I have never had any problems with my email filtering out messages en masse.

        No,  I NEVER had a problem of not receiving email notifications until something changed on the site and this is when it started.   As I mentioned I suddenly stopped receiving any notifications after May 2nd, and have only had the “one” received on May 9th for the “new topic” which I subscribed to.   After that, once again, NOTHING.  Whatever changes have been made, I don’t have a clue, as I did not change anything.

        Previously, in the past 20-25 years of computing (I’m no IT, for sure, however this is every day stuff). I’ll just continue to check what I can when I have a the chance.   I don’t have the time, however “no choice” either at this point in time.   Thank you for your recommendations, I understand that others have experienced similar problems in other circumstances, however I’ve had this current email address (estimated) at least 12 years or more with no problems.    I appreciate your comments and that you have taken the time to focus on some “possibilities”.     🙂

         

        • #191815 Reply

          Kirsty
          AskWoody MVP

          …Also the “first time” I noted that I was not receiving any notifications, was the last time that Woody “updated” everything. I think the last notification I received was May 2nd. Then “nothing”…

          The last site changes were about the middle of last month. Nothing has changed since the start of this month. That would appear to be unrelated to the problem you are experiencing, sorry.

          If you have another email address you could use as a test, it may be worth trying that, as Sparky did successfully (linked in my reply above). If nothing else, if may narrow down the issue/s. 🙂

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        • #191837 Reply

          Elly
          AskWoody MVP

          @Walker-
          In order to do some problem solving (know where to look) NightOwl needs to know your e-mail provider. Some people have e-mail from their ISP, but I don’t think that applies to you. I think you said it was Yahoo mail, some time in the past?

          To access any e-mail, what do you click on, or where do you go? Some people go on-line. Some people use Outlook or Thunderbird and click on those on their desktop or start menu. In order to problem solve we have to know the path you take to access your e-mail.

          I had to go to my e-mail provider’s site to white-list Askwoody, because they identified it as spam… but we’ll never know if that is happening to you, because you are focusing on changes on the site, rather than letting NightOwl walk you through how to check with your provider. It might not be the problem, but it was for me… Askwoody worked fine for years, and then suddenly started getting tagged. I also had it happen locally on Thunderbird, and I had to fix both before the problem was resolved for me.

          One more time… 1)your e-mail provider is?
          2) how do you access your e-mail?

          Win 7 Home, 64 bit, Group B

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          • #191850 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            Elly:  My e-mail provider is the same one that provides the phone service, and the TV programs.   It is only one company.   They do have e-mail addresses if people want to use them, however I’ve used Yahoo “forever”, so I just left it as it was because there are  thousands of emails in there.

            I go to the Yahoo website to access my emails, and have not had any problems in (as I mentioned)  at least 12 years, if not longer.   The only ISP I have is the one that I have for the 2 other services provided,  and I have not had a problem with any of them either.

            I may try to set up a gmail account, if I can find the time to do it, just to make a determination as to whether there is something amiss “somewhere” causing this problem.  At the present I just don’t have the time, and with the vision problems everything takes longer than normal.  Thank you for explaining the need for more information and I hope that this is sufficient.    I have no other ISP than the one, and this is the one that is mandatory for residents here.  I appreciate you taking the time to send the information you are seeking to hopefully assist in resolving this aggravating problem.    I sincerely appreciate your efforts, and those of everyone else as well.   🙂

             

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          • #191914 Reply

            Kirsty
            AskWoody MVP

            I wouldn’t necessarily be comfortable disclosing email provider information, but this page has information on whitelisting email addresses or domains on some of the free online webmail services, which may put you in the right direction @walker. It isn’t recent, so may contain some out of date information which may bear a similarity to current options.

            Some tips for managing webmail might help:
            Find missing emails in Yahoo
            Set Gmail filter to Never Send to Spam
            Gmail Spam Folder Location Guide
            Email Whitelist Instructions

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            • #192088 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              Kirsty:   I did actually receive one more email notification on a topic I subscribed to and that one was :    (Dated yesterday).

              “[AskWoody] Patch Lady – an ask for a Friday”

              I will have to check on a few more topics to see if I am still subscribed to those as well.  When I copied the subject from the e-mail it was full of a mess  of jumbled numbers, etc.     I deleted the “mess”, and copied the topic so that it showed up corrected.     Very strange.   Well, I tried to delete the “mess” however I see it’s still there.

              I am going to have to type it in manually, as it refuses to go through.   Here is what it actually says in the subject of my email:

              Patch Lady &#8211, and ask for a Friday

              I hope this one goes through.   It just gets crazier and crazier.

              It’s frustrating, however at least it’s a starting point.  all of the information that you, NightOwl, and satrow provided have helped considerably.  Thank you to everyone so much.    If and when I can get a real handle on this issue which has resolved it, as a few of you have done, I will certainly share it with you.  Once again, THANK YOU TO ALL!   🙂

               

              Edited for HTML. Please use text tab for copy/paste.

        • #191968 Reply

          satrow
          AskWoody MVP

          After adding ‘askwoody.com’ to my Yahoo Contacts list and opting to download all spam and mark it as [Spam], less than an hour ago, I’ve just received my first Subscription email for a couple of weeks or more – it didn’t have [Spam] appended to it.

          Theoretically therefore, only adding ‘askwoody.com’ should bypass whatever block Yahoo has in place.

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          • #192086 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @satrow:

            What “name” did you use for the email address?  I have several in there already, with several addresses.   I attempted to add the askwoody.com, however it was asking for a “name”, so I was wondering what you used as a “name”.  Was it askwoody?  I’m trying everything I can think of to get this resolved, and any and all information is sincerely appreciated.   I will share any changes which occur now that it appears that Yahoo may have changed “something”, although I don’t know what it could be.     Thank you!  🙂

            • #192098 Reply

              satrow
              AskWoody MVP

              My result was a one-off, I’ve had no further subscription replies since. I used askwoody as the name last time, I’ve just added another with no name (askwoody.com as the email) and removed the name from noreply@askwoody.com. It’s all experimental still.

              Another confusion factor could be that there are 3x different Yahoo email front ends available – I’m using the oldest version still, I don’t know whether they all use the same back end settings/rules.

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            • #192099 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @satrow:  Thank you for your prompt reply.  I too have not received “anything” since this last one.   It appears that you and I are both “experimenting” with various methods of attempting to get our email notifications up and running once again.

              I do know that Yahoo has these “changes” they are attempting to get the users to agree to, and I’m wondering if that is related to it.  I’ve never had these kinds of problems previously – – –  I will keep “trying” to get over this obstacle and hopefully we will be able to get things back up and running again.  I don’t know which version of Yahoo I’m running, however I am fairly “confident” that I’m up-to-date, other than refusing to “accept” their new policies.   Hmmm.  Makes one wonder.

              Will keep all apprised as to any progress (or lack there of).   Thank you for your reply, it appears there is a dilemma out there which at the present is defying all common sense.

              Thank you once again for your help.    🙂

               

               

            • #192101 Reply

              satrow
              AskWoody MVP

              No email following your Reply, I’ll make further changes again when I get back to my main PC (an hour or so).

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            • #192102 Reply

              Peacelady
              AskWoody Lounger

              Hi Walker,

              May I suggest that you open a new Gmail email account and then “subscribe” everything you want to that gmail address.  This has the benefit of having one separate email account that gets all of the replies in one place.  We can walk you through setting up a Gmail account if you have not done it but it’s pretty straight-forward.  When opening the account there is a setting that turns off “conversation” mode – which I did.  Then all emails that you receive are not nested.  I have several Gmail accounts for different purposes and have enabled two-step authentification for each one – which is another security bonus.  You would have to register this new email address with Woody.

              Best of Luck!

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            • #192112 Reply

              Kirsty
              AskWoody MVP

              You would have to register this new email address with Woody.

              To change your email address, click on your profile/name (either top right of any page, or in any reply you have posted), click Edit at the bottom of the left hand options list, change your email address, then click Update Profile.
              🙂

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            • #192118 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @peacelady:  I am just now reading the latest messages since I am not getting notifications.  It’s a haphazard way of doing it, however no other options at the moment.   I just read NightOwl’s  comments about the problem he is having with the email notifications he is receiving on his gmail account, so I don’t think I’ll be looking at that option at the present.  It’s bad enough not getting ANY notifications when I’m subscribed to a topic.

              The way that messages are scattered all over, it’s easy to miss one since I don’t get the email notification, so I apologize for trying to reply to those that I was unaware of.    This morass seems to be getting worse, and I don’t have the knowledge to deal with more problems with emails, especially with a different program – – – – which apparently can have its own issues.   I hope that “someone” will have the knowledge to determine what, exactly, is occurring with these email problems, and it seems that only the emails from this website are the ones that are having the problems.   Thank you for the information you provided relevant to setting up gmail.    I sincerely appreciate the information.   I wish you Good Luck in continuing to avoid the problems which seem to be plaguing some of us.    Thank you very much for sharing your experiences.     🙂

    • #191786 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Walker

      Well, for what it’s worth–I just checked my email provider’s spam filter–and low and behold, there were the email notifications to the topics I had previously subscribed to!

      Originally, my email address was lost from the data base–which explained why I never got email notifications to subscribed topics after that Sept., 2017 meltdown.

      Apparently, when I realized I was not getting emails at my former email address, and changed my email to a new address, I could then receive emails, but, it never occurred to me that my email provider was filtering out certain emails as spam. After checking that, and making the necessary changes, now email notifications are, in fact, working!

      Walker, let us know how your system is set up, and then we can start walking through the steps to check things out.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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    • #192007 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Walker

      I use the same ISP that I always use (a package deal). I’ve never had a problem with the ISP – – – .

      I understand–and I wish that things would remain *static* for a lot longer than they do these days–changes keep occurring everywhere we look–web browsers, forum software, ISP settings, on-line email providers, Windows, installed software, etc., etc.–just no end to it!!!! But, that’s to say, we don’t know where in that long line of possible sources, the problem(s) you may be having is occurring–and the only way to figure it out, is to trouble shoot and rule out the source of the possible problem(s) one at a time.

      I wouldn’t necessarily be comfortable disclosing email provider information, …

      To be clear–I’m not asking for any personally identifying information–not your email address, not your password, not your account number, etc.–just asking for general categories so I know where to direct my Google searches for information. For instance–my ISP is Comcast (aka: Xfinity) and I use their email for some of my communications, and I also use GMail for serveral other email accounts–I don’t think I have revealed too much personal information with that–but, maybe I’m wrong, and someone can correct me! (But, gee–I’m guessing any bad guys are going to try both of those companies if they think they have enough personal information to *attack* my accounts with those companies–they’re just a couple of the biggest players out there, and the first likely attack vector to try–yes?!)

      I need you to check something–let me explain why first–

      You started this topic: Favorites/Subscribe , on May8th.

      I didn’t see this topic until May 11th: Reply # 191776

      It was at that time that I *Subscribed* to this topic.

      It was not until Kirsty replied to this topic here: Reply # 191809 , that I got a single email notification that a *New Reply* had been made to the topic.

      Now, there have been multiple replies since Kirsty’s reply–but, I still only have the *ONE* email reply posted in my email program! Once again, I thought the email notifications were no longer working–until I tumbled–clicked on that single listed email, and that opened up and showed a list of email notifications regarding this single forum topic–the emails were listed under that single email *topic*, or what the email programs are now calling *conversations*!

      You have mentioned here:

      I think the last notification I received was May 2nd. Then “nothing” until I signed up for the “new” topic”, “Our Newest Forum: Access Tech”. Now this “new” email notification is the ONLY one I have received and that was on May 9th.

      You have received two single email notifications regarding to separate topics, and only the one notification for each.

      Can you check your Yahoo email, click on either of those two single emails, and now if you scroll down (or up–depending on how your email program works), are other email notifications listed for that specific topic?

      If *Yes*, then we have *solved* the mystery, if *No, then we have to dig further to find a solution.

      We can talk more about this *feature* once we have an answer to my above question–how to adjust the settings if need be.

      I await your results …..

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192019 Reply

        Kirsty
        AskWoody MVP

        I didn’t see this topic until May 11th: Reply # 191776

        It was at that time that I *Subscribed* to this topic.

        It was not until Kirsty replied to this topic here: Reply # 191809 , that I got a single email notification that a *New Reply* had been made to the topic.

        There does not appear to have been any replies in the 2.5hr+/- time difference between these two replies that you didn’t create yourself, so there would have been no emails issued to you prior to the one for #191809, after you subscribed… no problem there!
        🙂

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    • #192022 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Kirsty

      … so there would have been no emails issued to you prior to the one for #191809, after you subscribed… no problem there!

      Did not mean to imply there was a problem there. I had noted that the forum software appeared to ignore posts that I had made to the topic as far as sending out a *Reply to Topic Notification*, and assumed that that was probably *normal* behavior.

      The additional *Reply Notification* emails were for later replies after the above, and by others. Those additional replies were all *hidden* under your initial reply–and not obvious unless you knew what you were looking for!

      Hopefully, this is Walker’s problem, and it will help resolve the issue.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192023 Reply

        Kirsty
        AskWoody MVP

        …assumed that that was probably *normal* behavior

        Yes 🙂

        There has been a lot of discussion on viewing new posts in a topic, such as here, but I don’t think this has anything to do with @walker‘s issue.

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    • #192104 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Walker

      I do know that Yahoo has these “changes” they are attempting to get the users to agree to, and I’m wondering if that is related to it. I’ve never had these kinds of problems previously – – –

      Can you check your Yahoo email, click on either of those two single emails, and now if you scroll down (or up–depending on how your email program works), are other email notifications listed for that specific topic?

      Have you gone back to those *single* email notifications and clicked or double clicked on them (depending on your system settings) to see if additional notifications are being listed under the single original email so as to keep all the notifications for a single topic under one heading?

      Can you let us know if there are additional notifications listed under that original email when you click on it–so we can rule that option out as a problem–or not?

      Thanks.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

    • #192109 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      To anyone:

      Just to add to the confusion around getting email notifications after subscribing to a topic: I now have two emails from this topic with notifications of new replies.

      One email currently has 10 replies listed. The other has 6 replies listed. Both are for this topic, and the listed replies are distinct replies, and do not duplicate what’s in the other list of notifications in the other email.

      I am using Gmail for Subscribed notifications. Does anyone know how Gmail decides what email notification belongs in which *conversation*–given that both lists of notification are coming from the *same conversation*. So far, I cant see a distinction that separates the two.

      Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192115 Reply

        Peacelady
        AskWoody Lounger

        Hi NightOwl & Walker – For my dedicated Gmail account only for Woody I went to “Settings” and “Chat” and turned off that feature.  I just get separate emails for the posts that I have signed up for.  Each email reply has underneath it the post that it belongs to and I click on it to bring me to the actual post on the site.  I stay logged in for this purpose.  I hope I’m explaining this properly.  Also it works for me since the only emails I get on that gmail account are from Woody.  If you used a Gmail account that got lots of other emails it might get confusing.  I don’t know if this is helpful.  For me Gmail does not list any of these as Spam.

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      • #192275 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:  Looking at your message about getting so many email notifications for the same “topic”, it appears that is the same “mess” that I have received starting at 1:08 this morning.   So many with the same “topic”, however none of them are duplicates.

        Your message cites this phenomenon:

        One email currently has 10 replies listed. The other has 6 replies listed. Both are for this topic, and the listed replies are distinct replies, and do not duplicate what’s in the other list of notifications in the other email.

        I’m just going to sit tight and see what happens now.    I’m not going to even attempt to research it further as “whatever” it caused this, it is only confined to emails from one source.    As I mentioned previously      GOOD LUCK TO US ALL!

    • #192113 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @nightowl:  WOW!   I don’t have gmail, however I definitely only received one email message for each email.  I even did a “search” of the emails using all of the versions of the askwoody address.  I found no other emails.

      I was thinking of trying to go to gmail, however after I read what your experiences are it’s almost worst than what I’m getting (which I’m back to ZERO notifications again).    I can’t imagine what kind of action it would take to corrupt those messages like that!   Same topic, but different dialogue in each one of them – – –

      I’ve always heard positive comments about gmail, which was why I thought I might give it a try, however it sounds as if your problem is a “crazy” one too.   I wish that one of the MVP’s could hazard a guess on this one as it seems to be getting only more out of control.  I apologize for not being knowledgeable about gmail, and with things as they are with mine right now I have no clue either as to what is occurring here unless there is some kind of a focused action directed at emails.   I hope you will be successful in learning what is causing all of the duplicate messages (with different dialogue for the same topic).

      I did find this “link” about a “consolidation”, however do not fully understand it other than it may possibly affect e-mails:

      Here is the link:

      messagegears.com/blog/aol-yahoo-consolidation-impact-email-senders/

      I wish you all of the “Good Luck” possible in dealing with this problem.

    • #192123 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @nightowl, satrow, and everyone else who is following this topic.     I just now received an email notification! 

      It was for the ” Patch Tuesday, etc.” topic.    I was amazed!!  So somewhere along the line something must have changed!   I will be able to ascertain more, if I continue to receive more email notifications.    I hope this is not just a fluke.   Good luck, to us all!   🙂

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      • #192128 Reply

        satrow
        AskWoody MVP

        I did, too – from yesterday morning – not getting my hopes up yet, looks like a curve ball to me 🙁

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      • #192179 Reply

        satrow
        AskWoody MVP

        More progress in the last 2-3 hours, seven emails, 3 of which were from this Topic today (07:12 in the 14th here), as well as 4 from Fri. 11th up to yesterday. No clue if this will continue, nor where the fault lies.

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        • #192321 Reply

          walker
          AskWoody Lounger

          @satrow:   I think we are just going to have to wait and see which direction this “headed”.    No clue as to whether this is permanent or not, however I am continuing to receive new email notifications so I am hoping that this has been been permanently corrected (wherever it started).   We shall see.     Thank you for the update.   🙂

    • #192146 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Peacelady

      Hi NightOwl & Walker – For my dedicated Gmail account only for Woody I went to “Settings” and “Chat” and turned off that feature. I just get separate emails for the posts that I have signed up for. Each email reply has underneath it the post that it belongs to and I click on it to bring me to the actual post on the site.

      I agree, and you are explaining it just fine. I clicked on the *gear* icon, that drops down a menu list, selected *Settings*, and about halfway down was a category *Conversation View* with the option to select (*On*, or *Off*). If I select *Off*, then scroll down to the bottom of the list of settings, and click on *Save Changes*, then all the nested replies are then listed in the classical way of each reply being a separate entry. Easy to do.

      And, I can reverse the setting to *On*, and the *related* emails are once again in their respective *Conversation* under a single email line which when clicked on shows all the emails underneath in a *nested* fashion. Another clue that the emails are grouped together, there is a number just after the first row heading–it looks like this *AskWoody (12)*, which indicates there are 12 emails under this one email heading. Once again, easy to do.

      But, still don’t understand why I have two different notifications from the same topic, each with its own separate list of replies associated with each–still looking for what makes the two different.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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    • #192149 Reply

      Cascadian
      AskWoody Lounger

      This has been a very interesting topic so far. I have learned better some of the new wrinkles that email providers have added as new features that get in our way. And I still believe as many of you have pointed out: The difficulty lies outside of AskWoody. It is a very good thing to see help given in many aspects of our shared online experience.

      For myself, I am curious of the way others interface with AskWoody. Rather than assume too much, please allow me to describe how I choose to find items of interest here. On the few occasions where I have taken time away from usual daily habits both in life and here, notifications by email have been a nice feature to notify me of items developed while I have been away. But I do not rely on these as primary method to interface with the wide variety of topics on AskWoody. They are a notification only.

      After login to this site, I have much more direct and useful tools available to me to list my favored or subscribed topics. These include a variety of hotlinks to ‘original post’ by title, ‘first new’ comment since last signed in, or ‘last’ comment made just moments before I requested this list be generated and delivered to me. To my preferred method of catching up with all the information available here, these tools are much more convenient than reading every individual email. Because each email has no reference to context, at all. But when I click on a topic by using any of those hotlinks, the entire topic is displayed in the current AW interface with all context intact.

      If you are visiting every day, notifications are not necessary. As a separate question, I also wonder if you never log out, are notifications ever sent at all?

      Summary, the notifications are useful only if I need to be reminded; reading for comprehension, and less confusion, is best done in context with all developing conversation, within the AskWoody Lounge interface.

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      • #192151 Reply

        Cascadian
        AskWoody Lounger

        Attaching here for reference my comment a few days ago, https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/patch-lady-we-just-got-a-new-update-for-april/#post-188058, which may have been an additional cause of confusion for friend walker. Deepest apologies if my input created more difficulty, rather than clarification.

        • #192272 Reply

          walker
          AskWoody Lounger

          @Cascadian:    Thank you for your message.  No problem.

          I have received close to 100 new email “notifications” starting at 1:08 a.m this morning, and I think there are actually even more since I  now have over 1000 emails to sift through.     These are definitely NOT duplicates, so I’m going to be very, very busy trying to straighten this out!!    These are shown as all being sent from this forum starting very early this morning, non-stop.     This “apparently” is something that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond my capability to understand.     I will try to post this on the topics which I’ve referenced it in so that everyone who was interested in this strange occurrence will know that at least “I” have my missing email notifications which have arrived “en masse”.

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      • #192177 Reply

        Kirsty
        AskWoody MVP

        As a separate question, I also wonder if you never log out, are notifications ever sent at all?

        Even when you are logged in and online, notification emails are still sent
        🙂

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      • #192371 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @Cascadian:  Enjoyed reading your comments, and I agree that there are other methods which I use too, simply because once you access a “topic”, you can scroll through everything that is posted, and it’s a very quick process (as opposed to seeing a separate email for each comment), however to each his/her own.  I think at “some point in time” (I have no idea “when”) there will be a revelation as to what has occurred with the “email notification” debacle and I ANXIOUSLY await that time.    You have an excellent system, whereas I am not computer literate so therefore cannot replicate your system.   Thank you for sharing your methodology with us.    🙂

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    • #192150 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      I don’t have gmail, however I definitely only received one email message for each email.

      Okay, so you do not have multiple email replies nested under a single email entry. Well, that would have been too simple an explanation!

      I was thinking of trying to go to gmail, however after I read what your experiences are it’s almost worst than what I’m getting …

      Don’t let what I have explained deter you! As I explained above to Peacelady, it’s very easy to turn that *feature* on and off–so if your preference is a single email for each time the same topic has a new reply, Gmail will gladly do that for you!

      Now that my hoped for *simple* explanation for the lack of notifications, the next simple test is, in fact, to try using a different email address to see if the problem is solved. If you do not have another email address, either using your available ISP’s available email address, or setting up a Gmail address are your two easiest options. We can help walk you through either option. And then, the only change you have to make on the AskWoody site, is to go into your Profile and change your user email address. Again, an easy process to walk you through.

      Let us know if you want to give this a try.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192317 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:  There is such a “jungle” of messages, it is going to take quite a while to go through them all, however I can verify that NONE of these messages is a duplicate of any others irrespective of which “topic” it is referring to.   That seems to be what is occurring with those of us who are beginning to get(some or all?) of our “missing email notifications”.

        Please keep us posted as to your current status.    I’m hoping that this was a “one-time” fiasco,  however only “time will tell”.

    • #192274 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @NightOwl, satrow, Kirsty, Elly, and all others.     I have now received close to 100 email notifications (I think it’s “more” since I have over 1000 emails to sift through now trying to determine “what the heck is going on”.    They all came from this “forum’s address”, and started at 1:08 a.m. my time according to the information.   I suspect that I will be very busy trying to get caught up (if it’s at all possible).  All different topics!

      I was behind to begin with and now it’s necessary to read each one of these.   Anyone else get a “huge” surprise such as this one???   Please post here if you’ve seen any changes of this magnitude?   Thank you for sharing all of your experiences with this VERY strange occurrence.   I am hoping that my dilemma is “fixed”, however I’m not holding my breath

      GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF US!!!    🙂

       

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      • #192285 Reply

        satrow
        AskWoody MVP

        I’ve had 40+ in the same time span, going back over 3-4 days; I’m pretty sure I have all from the last ~15 hours, I just hope it doesn’t keep sending those that are already outdated (2+ days old).

        Going forward, who knows.

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    • #192320 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Everyone

      I am using Gmail for Subscribed notifications. Does anyone know how Gmail decides what email notification belongs in which *conversation*–given that both lists of notification are coming from the *same conversation*. So far, I cant see a distinction that separates the two.

      Okay, I think I have found what Gmail uses as a *rule* to create a new separate email listing if *Conversations View* is enabled–Gmail puts similar emails in a single grouping for a max of 2 days. If more emails from the same forum topic come in on a third day–then Gmail starts a new grouping for the *Conversation View*–it now accumulates the notices in the same email group for another 2 days. Then it starts another separate email grouping if emails arrive beyond the 4th day, etc.

      Seems straight forward enough–I will have to watch it for awhile longer to confirm this activity.

      Edit: I have also seen a posting that Gmail will start a new listing of similar emails in *Conversation View* if the number of entries exceeds somewhere between 60 and 100 entries–have not come across that many entries for a single forum topic in a one to two day period as of yet, so can’t say if this is true or not.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192323 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:   I think mine is permanently corrected now, as I am continuing to receive the email notifications.    I will clean this mess up, and hope that I never encounter anything such as this again.   Much easier to just have the one email program as long as it is fully functional.   Good luck!!

    • #192334 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      Much easier to just have the one email program as long as it is fully functional.

      You might want to consider having a separate email address that is dedicated to *AskWoody.com*. Then the only emails that you will see when logged onto that email address will be AskWoody emails, and when your are logged onto your other email address, you will only get whatever personal emails are arriving from family, or friends, or other sources. You then will not have to wade through all the AskWoody emails to find your other personal emails.

      But, that’s a personal choice thing–if you don’t mind having all the AskWoody notifications mixed in with your other emails, than a single email address is fine.

      Sure looks like there must be a *Gremilin*, *Troll*, or a *Gnome* lurking about on AskWoody that is doing its best to fix up the email notification system for the *Subscribed* email notifications and/or the *Notify me of follow-up replies via email* check box.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192368 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:  Well, the email notifications STOPPED at 2:51 p.m. this afternoon!    So now it appears that I’m right back to having to waste time trying to check on what is being posted, however it’s a toss up, as both “exercises” take too much time.  BTW all of these emails that arrived only were all from the same source, other than for one “stray”, so it almost appears that these were “held” in some manner since they ran non-stop from 1:08 a.m. until 2:51 p.m. this afternoon.

        I definitely agree with your statement:

        there must be a *Gremilin*, *Troll*, or a *Gnome*

        There is something definitely seriously wrong since these emails are only originating from “one source”.    For now, I’m just going to try to accept what, APPARENTLY, is an unsolvable problem.   If anything changes I will post back here.   Nothing else to say, other than “what a way to spend your day”.     🙁  🙁

        • #192392 Reply

          satrow
          AskWoody MVP

          No further notifications since about the same time here.

    • #192378 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      @nightowl: Well, the email notifications STOPPED at 2:51 p.m. this afternoon! So now it appears that I’m right back to having to waste time trying to check on what is being posted

      Well, maybe no one else has replied recently–I’m sending this reply to the forum at approx 4:23 Pacific Daylight Time–did you get an email notification for this posting?

      I continue to get notifications of your replies to this topic.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192472 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:   Yes, I did get a notification about this one, dated 2:30 a.m. (EDT), and I had to look through a few others before I found it.    I did see it posted on the “topic”, however wanted to see how long it took to reach me – – – – nothing started until after 1:00 a.m. this morning.   As long as it’s functional, I don’t care “how it was done”, as long as it’s working now.    I’m sure we all feel this way.   Digging out will continue as time permits, however it must be done!   Hope your method works out for you, without any problems too.   Please keep us posted.    Thank you!   🙂

      • #192870 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl and all others:  I finally located the email you referenced, and it is dated MAY 15 at 2:30 a.m (EDT).    So it is extremely “late”, as is almost all of what I’m seeing is.   This  (May 17th) morning it was “sparse”, and began at 2:30 a.m and STOPPED at 3:00 a.m.  It is apparent that these emails are being held which accounts for the lack of speed in sending out email notifications which are much later than the actual time they are posted.   I agree, I too and thought that the “actual time was probably CDT, however quien sabe ¿  If these are the “facts”, then they are coming from the CDT zone where the server is located (??). I only received the email notifications for 1 1/2 hours early this morning before they stopped.

        I am so disgusted with the way this is going.   I only had SIX email notifications this morning!    It is slowly becoming slower and slower as I’m sure there are many more messages posted, when I check “recent topics”.   I have very little time today, so I don’t know where to begin, other than to go back to the first 99  I received the first time and just delete almost (if not all) of them.

        Never thought I would see such a mess as this is appearing to be.     I’m happy for you that everything is working out and “under control”.    I hope your GOOD LUCK continues.   I will try to start getting caught up “if and when” I have time.   When I got hit with those first 99 emails it just knocked the pins right out from under me.   Thank you to you, and all of the others who are sharing their experiences!!    🙂

    • #192425 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ satrow

      No further notifications since about the same time here.

      For what it’s worth, I had a notification waiting for this last post when I got home late this evening–so apparently I’m still getting the email notifications.

      Also subscribed to another topic late this afternoon, and I’m getting the notifications from that topic as well.

      Don’t know what the difference is between my system and yours as to why the difference in notification behavior!?

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192453 Reply

        satrow
        AskWoody MVP

        Deliveries have kicked off again: 05:25 and 07:27 UK time (UTC+1?), the first included a ‘live’ reminder, the others were all catchup from the previous 2 days; since then, 11.39 more catchup from yesterday (14th) and another ‘live’ reminder at 12.03.

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      • #192462 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        Well, this is the THIRD message I have prepared.   The other two got the “Forbidden” thing and wiped them out.   I tried to copy the last one so I didn’t have to retype it again.

        Here it is (I hope):

        @nightowl & satrow:   Well, I just had a “prepared” response to your messages, and it went to the “Forbidden”, and wiped it completely out, however wanted you to know what transpired here overnight, starting at 1:07 a.m.  (EDT).

        When I checked emails there were quite a few there, and the last one I received was at 8:15 a.m. EDT today.  So it appears that my dilemma has been resolved, at least for now.   It appears that these emails are being “held” until after 1:00 a.m. EDT before being sent out.  I have no idea “who or what” is controlling this action however as long as I get the emails (none are duplicates) in a timely manner that is an objective I have attained.   I will read your latest posts too.     GOOD LUCK TO US ALL!   🙂

        • #192464 Reply

          geekdom
          AskWoody Lounger

          If you have a long reply, build it first as a separate file, and save to your computer. Then copy the file contents here and submit. If the post fails, you have the information on your computer. You can open the saved file, copy the contents to reply, and submit again.

          Group G{ot backup} Win7|64-bit|SP1

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          • #192466 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            #geekdom:   That’s what I’m doing now that this has occurred twice.  I’ve had it happen a few times before, and need to get into the habit of just copying the messages before I send.  That way I have it, as you recommended.  It’s the only way to go, that’s for sure.  Thank you for sharing!    🙂

        • #192465 Reply

          satrow
          AskWoody MVP

          Sub alert came through fine for this 🙂 I’m hoping things will improve drastically once any remaining backlog is cleared.

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        • #192538 Reply

          Kirsty
          AskWoody MVP

          this is the THIRD message I have prepared. The other two got the “Forbidden” thing and wiped them out.

          Somehow your post was mistaken as a threat… glad to hear you were able to post without triggering that, eventually. 🙂

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          • #192872 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @kirsty:   I received your notification email at 1:30 a.m. on May 16th.    Shown as follows:

             

            <ul id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38689″ class=”inline-items” role=”presentation”>
            <li id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38789″><span id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38788″ class=”base-lozenge from-loz”> <span id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38787″ class=”lozenge-static hcard” data-name=”AskWoody” data-address=”noreply@askwoody.com” data-action=”contact-card-menu”> AskWoody <span id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38792″><noreply@askwoody.com></span> </span> </span>

          • <li id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38692″ class=”msg-date” title=”Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:30 AM”><span id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38691″> May 16 at 1:30 <span id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38693″ class=”ampm”>AM</span></span>

            <dl id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38687″ class=”details” role=”presentation”>
            <dt id=”hdr-to” class=”hdr-info”>To</dt>
            <dd id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38698″ class=”hdr-info” role=”presentation”>
            <ul id=”msg-header-to” class=”inline-items” title=”All recipients”>
            <li id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38703″ class=”hLozenge”> <span id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38704″ class=”lozenge-static hcard ” tabindex=”0″ title=”noreply@askwoody.com” role=”button” data-action=”contact-card-menu” data-name=”noreply@askwoody.com” data-address=”noreply@askwoody.com”>noreply@askwoody.com</span>

            </dd>
            <dd id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38686″ class=”hide-dd”></dd>
            </dl>

            <h3 class=”offscreen”>Message body</h3>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38681″>Kirsty wrote:</p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38684″>

            this is the THIRD message I have prepared. The other two got the “Forbidden” thing and wiped them out.

            </p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38699″>Somehow your post was mistaken as a threat… glad to hear you were able to post without triggering that, eventually. <span class=”yiv6969893948smiley-happy”>:-)</span></p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38701″>Post Link: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/favorites-subscribe/#post-192538</p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38755″>———–</p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38759″>You are receiving this email because you subscribed to a forum topic.</p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38756″>Login and visit the topic to unsubscribe from these emails.</p>
                *******************************************************

            Nothing makes sense anymore.   I appreciate your message and apologize for being “late” in responding to it.    Thank you for sending it!  I have a long, difficult job ahead of me now that once again, it appears that I am not receiving the notification emails that I should.

             

          • #192874 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @kirsty:    I just now was able to locate your message and had a response prepared, however when I copied it to quote it came out all garbled, and appeared in the e-mail as follows:   I’m just leaving the second one, since I attempted twice to copy and send it, and it is coming out the same way.   – – – –  Apologies for this “mess”.

            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38681″>Kirsty wrote:</p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38684″>

            this is the THIRD message I have prepared. The other two got the “Forbidden” thing and wiped them out.

            </p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38699″>Somehow your post was mistaken as a threat… glad to hear you were able to post without triggering that, eventually. <span class=”yiv6969893948smiley-happy”>:-)</span></p>
            <p id=”yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1526559503068_38701″>Post Link: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/favorites-subscribe/#post-192538</p>

            It was received May 16, at 1:30 a.m.    Thank you for your message.  Hoping that this debacle will end and we will return to “normal” once again.   This is a terrible burden on all of us, users who are affected by it.   I appreciate you taking the time to reply.

            • #192934 Reply

              Kirsty
              AskWoody MVP

              The “garbled” posting will relate to copying from an html source (presumably your web browser), and pasting it here without first saving it as .txt, i.e. in notepad or word. When you paste it here, html content is not supported (only bbcodes, as you will see noted above the text editor).
              Also, it’s worth making sure you are using the text version of the text editor, rather than the visual option, when pasting copied content – it may handle it better.
              PS It wasn’t really worth posting the same content twice (and remember the lounge rules about repetition!) 😉

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            • #192941 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @kirsty:    I only posted that message once to begin with, and then didn’t see it appear anywhere,  so that is how it was posted more than once.   There is something “drastically” wrong with the “forum topic menus”.    I did not know about posting a message more than once, however I only saw the one message finally.

              Thank you for the advice on how to format the messages.    I never had any of those instructions previously that you cited in your e-mail.

              Can you please tell me where they are located?  It would help me tremendously to have more information on “specific rules” which until now I was unaware of.     Thank you once again, Kirsty.   I sincerely appreciated your help.    🙂

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            • #192945 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @kirsty:   I found the new  topic which was just posted about how to “test” and format messages correctly.   Thank you once again for your help.

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    • #192468 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      I have no idea “who or what” is controlling this action

      As I noted before:

      Sure looks like there must be a *Gremlin*, *Troll*, or a *Gnome* lurking about on AskWoody ….

      Gremlins for sure!

      I’m still getting timely notifications ….

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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    • #192476 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      I’ve had it happen a few times before, and need to get into the habit of just copying the messages before I send.

      I actually open up a Notepad instance (or one could also use Wordpad, or whatever program that works for you–I like to use Notepad because it’s a text only word
      processor–no formatting can be done which matches what is allowed on AskWoody posts), and I copy and paste every so often the contents of a long post so it’s protected from inadvertent loss (like my stubby fingers hitting a wrong key–like a *back button* that takes me to a previous webpage–and my message is wiped out!).

      When it’s time to make another updated backup, I do a copy of my current reply, then I use the Notepad function from its menu item *Edit* and then choose *Undo*–that wipes out the previously pasted backup, and now I can paste the new updated copy of the reply. I repeat this every so often, as needed, until I’m finally ready to sent the reply–making a final copy and paste before sending in case something goes wrong, and I loose the reply in *cyberspace* to some glitch.

      Give it a try–once you get used to doing it, it’s been a *life saver* for me more than once!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192536 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:  I received your message at 9:50 a.m. EDT, and there was only one other email alert that I received after that on another topic (9:58 a.m.).   That was the last one I received today, so I suspect that there will be no “new” ones until after 1:00 a.m. EDT.

        Insofar as making copies of what I send, I have just used my e-mail, making a “draft” and leaving it in there in the event I should need it, however I’m not much for using any other program for making copies.    If it’s something that I am sending out as a “reply”, it’s there on the “topic” so it doesn’t get “lost”.    I have far, far too many emails now to go through, and I’d better get started or I’ll never get finished.

        Glad that we are getting  some email notifications (I hope ALL that we need), and that this will be the “end” of this manner of alerting the users about  the topics of this Forum.

        I like the graphic of the Nightowl!  Reminds me of the huge ones I saw in northern Minnesota!

        Thank you for keeping us apprised of your progress.  Sounds as if you are doing well with the gmail.   I’ve heard a lot about it, however wondered how much personal information they are requesting from prospective users prior to providing the email service.    Hmmmm.

        Well, won’t think about that for now.    Thank you once again, NightOwl for keeping us all informed!  Great job!     🙂

      • #192557 Reply

        Cascadian
        AskWoody Lounger

        NightOwl, I also like the restricted function of notepad. All copypaste into text tab selected just above here as I type now has worked without flaw.

        A balanced observation though, if too much prep is done in notepad in advance it becomes possible to submit too rapidly. Then you may be blocked as a spammer for rapid submit, rather than for content.

        Luckily, you still have the original sitting there in notepad. Make a small change, wait a short period, then submit again. On at least two occasions, I decided my post was not important enough to make the effort. But at least twice a kind moderator has lifted the lost comment from whatever bin it fell into, after the passage of some time.

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    • #192608 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Cascadian

      if too much prep is done in notepad in advance it becomes possible to submit too rapidly. Then you may be blocked as a spammer for rapid submit, rather than for content.

      Interesting! I have not used Notepad in that fashion–so I have not had to deal with what you describe with the *spam prevention* module that is subscribed to by the local forum software here.

      I do all my reply creation from within the text reply box. I copy and paste to Notepad from here (the text reply box), and continue my reply creation from still within the reply box. So, my creation and eventual reply submission is anything but *quick* or *fast*.

      I too have been caught by the spam petrol (although, the spam filter does lend itself to causing inflammatory reactions (smile)) patrol if I attempt to edit a recent submission when I have seen a spelling or grammar error, correct it, and try to re-submit my corrected reply too quickly–so I know from where you speak.

      I have, on rare occasion pasted an unfinished reply to Notepad, then saved it for later, but again, I copy the uncompleted reply from Notepad back to the reply text box when I come back to it, complete the creation of the rest of the reply, and then submit the reply. I do that mostly because my spelling is atrocious, and I use the reply box to alert me to my errors!

      NightOwl

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      • #192837 Reply

        Cascadian
        AskWoody Lounger

        I agree, and you accurately describe my own actual failed posts. It is only my own thought experiment that suggests if edit request, edit performed, edit submit in less than a minute triggers a hold; then a rapid submission of multiple prepared comments in more than one thread in less than a minute may also trigger a hold under a similar logic.

        Your method of creating and submitting one at a time would preclude all but the fastest typists. And like you describe, I stick with Notepad for the restriction it offers despite the lack of spelchequer, and will copypaste back and forth between notepad and a spare comment box to check for red squigglys.

        Then are the times that an accurately spelled wrong word slips by. I had a personal humor when the word I expected was patrol, your word was petrol, and my brain interpreted as petrel in keeping with your avian handle. So I had to choose between the imagery of a seabird swopping in and taking away spam, and a small arsonist disposing of the offending spam. The brief internal struggle was humorous. I know there is a word for that kind of comedy, but my mind cannot think of it just now. I recall meaning ‘next’ and submitting ‘nest’ and being called on it. But I couldn’t create a humor out of it like a swooping seabird.

    • #192609 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      Insofar as making copies of what I send, I have just used my e-mail, making a “draft” and leaving it in there in the event I should need it, however I’m not much for using any other program for making copies.

      Just to be clear–I was not suggesting making copies of what you are posting. What I am suggesting is to make a temporary copy during the creation process of making a *long* reply, so if anything goes wrong during that creation, I have a copy to bring back into the *reply box*, and continue with the creation process. And, prior to submitting the reply, I’m making a temporary copy to Notepad of my *final* reply, so if something goes wrong with the submission process, and I somehow loose the reply before it actually gets posted, then I have to copy to copy and paste into the reply box so I can try again, without having to retype the whole reply again!

      Once I have successfully submitted the finished reply to the forum, I simply delete the temporary backup in Notepad using the menu item *Edit* and choosing the *Undo* selection, and then reuse Notepad for the next reply, and then doing it again, and again, until I’m done with replies for the moment. Then, I simply close out the Notepad software–and I have *saved no copies* of any of the replies created.

      I like the graphic of the Nightowl! Reminds me of the huge ones I saw in northern Minnesota!

      Thanks! Oh, ya–the Great Horned Owls–I bet they have some big ones in northern Minnesota!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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    • #192673 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @nightowl, satrow, Cascadian, et al:

      I only have time for a brief “update” on today’s event insofar as receipt of the “notification emails.  They started at 1:07 a.m. which seems to be when the ” holding entity” is releasing them to send out.

      No question that this appears to be the “modus operandi”.   I see one notification which is not yet showing in this “topic” yet, so apparently it takes a while for some.  This one is from Kirsty and shows a time of 1:30 a.m.   I don’t understand that, however I will continue to try to locate it , as there are messages which are showing a later date which are showing up.   Hmm.   Oh well, at least we’re “back in business” insofar as getting the notifications, and that was all I was interested in, although it is going to take a lot of time trying to sort it all out.

      I don’t use “Note Pad”, nor much of anything else for copying messages, other than the email “dafts” which I sometimes want to refer to for reference.   What I did notice, is the the “REJECTIONS” I had yesterday for the comments I wanted to send were not addressed to any specific person, so perhaps that is the reason – – –  as when I put “names” in the message, it went through.   Only a guess, however it appears that it could have been the reason.

      Once again, very good dialogue from you all.    Yes, NightOwl, those “Owls” ARE definitely huge, and I’m sure the bears outnumber the population up there as well.   At least they did when I was up there.    🙁

    • #192763 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      They started at 1:07 a.m. which seems to be when the ” holding entity” is releasing them to send out.

      That’s just the weirdest thing!

      The forum shows that your last post above was at 10:25 AM. My Gmail notification for that post is showing 8:25 AM. I’m on the West Coast in Washington State. Are you somewhere in the Central Time Zone?

      I received your message at 9:50 a.m. EDT, ….

      Nope. Looks like you are in the Eastern Time Zone. So, maybe the forum server is in the Central Time Zone and showing its time on the your posting time.

      But, bottom line, at least for now, I appear to get notifications almost immediately–there does not appear to be any time delay or holding period. Just can’t fathom how for different folks, the forum offers different experiences!

      Edit:

      So, maybe the forum server is in the Central Time Zone and showing its time on the your posting time.

      Yup! That’s what the forum software is doing–it’s using Central Time Zone for it’s posting times on Replies. My local time when I posted this was 1:00 PM, and the forums posting time says 3:00 PM.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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    • #192888 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Cascadian

      Then are the times that an accurately spelled wrong word slips by. I had a personal humor when the word I expected was patrol, your word was petrol, and my brain interpreted as petrel in keeping with your avian handle.

      Groan–I hate it when I do that!

      Thanks for the gentle nudge!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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    • #192951 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      I only posted that message once to begin with, and then didn’t see it appear anywhere,  so that is how it was posted more than once.

      Actually, it looks like this is not one of your *lost messages* that didn’t appear:

      when I copied it to quote it came out all garbled, and appeared in the e-mail as follows:   I’m just leaving the second one, since I attempted twice to copy and send it, and it is coming out the same way.   – – – –  Apologies for this “mess”.

      Can you please tell me where they are located?  It would help me tremendously to have more information on “specific rules” which until now I was unaware of.

      At the bottom of the topic thread here, and on every topic thread, just above where is says *Reply To: Favorites/Subscribe*, you can see a sentence:

      Please follow the –Lounge Rules– no personal attacks, no swearing, and politics/religion are relegated to the Rants forum.

      The *Lounge Rules* is a link to Woody’s summary of what is asked for for lounge etiquette. But, I don’t think you have transgressed excessively. You were befuddled by how the first one turned out, thought it was something you did wrong (or maybe the forum software had messes up), and you tried again.

      Next time, just delete the extra posting–however, to be precise–the two postings are different, just the *copied/pasted* part had repeat information.

      Maybe, Kirsty is being a little hard on you?!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192955 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:  Thank you for your most polite, and courteous message.    I appreciate the guidance, and understanding of my confusion more than words can express.    I most certainly will follow your directions “to the letter”, as you have been so kind as to provide them – – – – so that I won’t make this mistake again.  Thank you once again, NightOwl, for the guidance which you have so freely provided to me.     🙂   🙂

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      • #192960 Reply

        Kirsty
        AskWoody MVP

        Maybe, Kirsty is being a little hard on you?!

        Hardly – that’s not my style! It was just a small timely reminder to those who may not have recently (or ever) read da rules (which appears from Walker’s reply, wasn’t inappropriate)
        🙂

        I appreciate that Walker took it in the spirit it was given – he is always a gentleman, and that’s a credit to him!

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        • #192981 Reply

          walker
          AskWoody Lounger

          @kirsty:   Thank you for the compliment.    Very much appreciated.    🙂  🙂

    • #192952 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      To All

      Just an update to the notifications behavior with Gmail:

      Okay, I think I have found what Gmail uses as a *rule* to create a new separate email listing if *Conversations View* is enabled–Gmail puts similar emails in a single grouping for a max of 2 days. If more emails from the same forum topic come in on a third day–then Gmail starts a new grouping for the *Conversation View*–it now accumulates the notices in the same email group for another 2 days. Then it starts another separate email grouping if emails arrive beyond the 4th day, etc.

      Well, that’s proven to be wrong! Here’s a screen shot showing a section of my Gmail Inbox:

      Multiple-Conversation-Email-For-Same-Topic

      Having multiple notifications related to the same topic grouped under one heading does keep the Inbox better organized and less messy.

      But, still don’t know what is controlling how Gmail decides to create a new topic email to add new notifications to–leaving the previous email to show the previous notifications.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #192956 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:   I noted a message above submitted by Peace Lady, dated May 13 at 1:31 p.m.   I’m too fearful of copying anything right now, so I’m just showing the date and time.   She had quite a few comments about her experience with gmail.  I had to really search for this one, as it was not in chronological order.    If you have difficulty locating it, I will try to copy it for you in the “proper manner”.   Thank you once again for everything.    🙂

        Edited By NightOwl:

        Looks like you *Trashed* this reply because you saw some strange things added to your post–not sure what they were all about myself–maybe you were using the *Visual* reply box rather than the *Text* reply box, and got some extra *stuff* added in? I deleted it.

        Here’s the link to Peacelady’s Gmail comments that you were commenting about above.

        • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  walker.
        • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  NightOwl.
    • #192958 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @nightowl:   I started to send a message and then noted that it had some strange configuration in it, so then tried to “trash” it, and it wouldn’t work.    I am so sorry – – – It seems that I can’t do anything right.

      ****************************************************

      P.S.

      I see the message now, and it appears to be okay, so hope it reaches you all right.

    • #192970 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      I started to send a message and then noted that it had some strange configuration in it, so then tried to “trash” it, and it wouldn’t work.

      Well, it did work! Your reply was in the *Trash Bin*. I found it there and *pulled it back out*. Cleaned it up a little bit, and restored it to the thread, and added my edit above:

      walker’s deleted post–restored

      Did you have any questions about Peacelady’s comments about Gmail?

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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    • #193091 Reply

      Kirsty
      AskWoody MVP

      This may be quite irrelevant, but I wonder if there’s some browser effect happening too?


      (and thread)

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      • #193100 Reply

        PaulK
        AskWoody Lounger

        In Firefox, Google News scroll stepping can be ameliorated partially by unchecking ‘smooth scrolling’, located at Tools > Options > Advanced; this is in FF 54 – location may be different in current level. Of course, then other pages are more jumpy. I don’t use Gmail or Calendar.

    • #193162 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ Kirsty and @ PaulK

      This may be quite irrelevant, but I wonder if there’s some browser effect happening too?

      The new @Gmail lags a lot, ….

      Just FYI–so the delay @ walker is complaining about is not regarding Gmail at all–he’s using Yahoo mail. And the delay does not appear to be in regards to his browser rendering the emails in the browser while online checking his emails–the delay is in the fact that AskWoody’s forum software appears to be *holding* the notifications until some unspecified time in the middle of the night–don’t know how that is happening–especially to some forum members, but not others.

      @ PaulK

      In Firefox, Google News scroll stepping can be ameliorated partially by unchecking ‘smooth scrolling’, located at Tools > Options > Advanced ….

      I know your response was in response to Kirsty’s comment, but again the problem @ walker is dealing with is unrelated to FireFox and Gmail incompatibility issues.

      I’m using Gmail and FireFox, and at least on my system and setup, I am not having the issues mentioned above. And, I appear to be receiving notifications almost instantaneously when AskWoody forum replies are posted if I’m Subscribed to a Topic.

      Thank you *email notification gods*–may it continue to be true!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

      • #193172 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:   Today the email notifications began at 1:12 a.m.    Same time frame as usual.   As long as I get the messages I’m not concerned about when they begin to roll in.    Thank you for “rescuing and restoring” my trashed message.    I’m late getting started today on the email notifications so am attempting to consolidate two messages into one.

        No, I had no questions about Peacelady’s post.   I have no idea what caused the change in the time frame issue, however I don’t think it has any relationship to  an email provider, or browser.

        Thank you very, very much for all of the expert assistance you have provided.   I’m happy that I’m back up and running once again, irrespective of “when the email notifications appear.    I hope the “email notification gods continue to smile upon you!!   🙂  🙂

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    • #193174 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      I hope the “email notification gods continue to smile upon you!!

      Thank you.

      And, in their own way, upon you has well!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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    • #193198 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @nightowl, satrow, Kirsty, Cascadian, & PaulK:

      I “think” I have FINALLY found the answer to the issue with the email notifications.  Firefox had an “update” today (which came out only a day or 2 ago), and I finally had time to update it.

      Well, I went through that with a “fine tooth comb”, and could see that some portions of it had been changed, and I noted that “AskWoody” had been BLOCKED!!!     I am hoping that removing the block will allow the email notifications to go through without any problem.  I suspect that this change could have been in one of the recent updates, and I missed it.   I am already seeing one from 7:03 p.m. so that is encouraging.   Will know more in the morning, however I am optimistic!  Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for good luck!

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    • #193210 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      and I noted that “AskWoody” had been BLOCKED!!!

      Interesting!

      Where in Firefox did you see a block for AskWoody–what section, setting, or option?

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

    • #193235 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @nightowl:  I found this under:

      OPTIONS, Privacy and Security.

      It was listed under “Privacy & Security”.  In there uou scroll down to “PERMISSIONS”, and then click on “NOTIFICATIONS”.  These are the ones which you allow to send you “notifications”.   You need to click on “settings“, and that shows you what is listed as blocked.   I never new it was even there!   There it was “big as life” BLOCKED, and also one other one which should also have not been there.

      I don’t think that has solved the crazy email notification problem since here I am again this morning with the first email notification shown as yours at 2:28 a.m.   Subsequent to that one there is only ONE other notification and that was at 7:22 a.m. different subject.  That is all I have as of right now.  At least yesterday I did get quite a few.   I swear I have no clue as to the reason I’m now “back where I started” with no progress in solving the issue.   At least I did locate the area within the browser where I noted that it was blocking, however even the unblocking (I clicked on allow) did not have any effect.    All I can do is just continue to “try”, however I think I’m truly “out of options” at this point.   Thank you for sticking with me to the “bitter end”.     I’m happy that the “Good Luck gods” have been with you.     🙂

    • #193284 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      I don’t think that has solved the crazy email notification problem since here I am again this morning with the first email notification shown as yours at 2:28 a.m. Subsequent to that one there is only ONE other notification and that was at 7:22 a.m. different subject.

      Okay. I was half afraid that might happen. I wasn’t sure, but I had doubts that the Firefox browser would be able to influence email Notifications that are coming from AskWoody alerting you that someone had posted a new reply on the forum–that seems to be more of an *internal* function of the forum software itself.

      So, I looked at your instructions as to what you had found as a setting in Firefox (good description on your part, by the way), and after looking, did a Google search and found this:

      Web Push notifications in Firefox

      The *Notifications* that the Firefox web browser are referring to are not the same as the email *Notifications* coming from AskWoody forum software regarding *Replies being Posted*.

      The *Notifications* from AskWoody in the Firefox browser would be something like:

      I’m pleased to inform you, a new feature has been added to AskWoody.com. Use the following link to take you to that webpage so you can review it: Link.AskWoody.com

      That would be a *pop-up* from the browser–not an email notification from the forum. And, it could pop-up whether you are browsing at AskWoody, or somewhere else on the web, and you might not even have AskWoody’s website up on one of your browser tabs, or not.

      As far as I know, Woody has never used that *feature*–as a matter of fact, I’ve never seen any website attempt to use that pop-up feature to push messages to folks who have previously visited their site–but, I have pop-ups disabled, as well as using Ad-Block Plus that also limits pop-ups–so I might not be seeing those because they are blocked by other settings.

      I’ve only seen two websites ask for *Notifications* to be Allowed–one was AskWoody.com. (Woody might not even know that his forum website is asking for that permission–it only started around January, 2018, if I recall–may have been sooner or latter than that–can’t remember exactly.) I eventually clicked *Allow* so the request would stop bothering me. You might have clicked *Deny*, which would have put that *Block* in that *Options/Privacy & Security/Notifications* section. But, I’ve never seen a *Notice* actually show up.

      If you want to disable the *Notification* feature in Firefox completely you can look at this:

      How do I disable Web Push completely?

      Personally, I just did that. I don’t need websites being *pushy*, and sending me notices at *their will*, as opposed to mine! It’s one thing if a website says they have such an option, and here’s why it’s a benefit to you, and this is how to enable it if you want it vs the website popping up a notice on each visit asking if I want to grant permission to receive *Notifications* whenever they want to *bother* me–I elect *Deny* !

      If you want to do the same thing–I could walk you through the steps real slowly–at each step–you could just look and see–no changes need to be made until you feel comfortable with what you’re seeing and doing.

      Let me know!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #193295 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:    Yes, I’m sure you are correct in your assessment of the “Push” feature.   I may have had an inquiry “once” during all of the time I can recall using Firefox.   It’s been so long ago, I can’t even recall what it was.  It is definitely inconsequential.   I’ve never been “bothered” by anything coming up with a “message/notice”.    I also have the “popup blocker” which blocks popups as well.

        I admit “defeat” in the attempt to determine what has been occurring because it has taken so much time for me to try to get rid of all of those “bazillions” of email notifications that I’m still trying to work on cleaning up the emails.

        I appreciate your offer to help, however from what I can determine it’s just “not worth it”.   I’ll “just wait and see” if anything changes.   I do appreciate you taking the time to research this further, and sharing your observations and opinions about possible resolutions.  Thank you very, very much for your help!!    🙂

    • #193479 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      I admit “defeat” in the attempt to determine what has been occurring because it has taken so much time for me to try to get rid of all of those “bazillions” of email notifications that I’m still trying to work on cleaning up the emails.

      Unfortunately, I doubt there is anything more *we* can do to try to make things better regarding *Notifications* for new posts from the forum. You could possibly try using a different email account to see if that somehow changes the behavior–it might–but, we will not know unless you want to try that. We could walk you through that–and no harm done for making the adjustments–so let me know if you want to try that at some point.

      It sounds like a nuisance to have to wait until overnight, and then get a bucket load of notifications all at once–but, I guess if you are in fact getting notification from all the topics you are subscribed to, then, I guess, we need to *count our blessings*–even if it’s not perfect!

      I think the only way the present situation will ever be fixed, is if someone who actually understands the forum software can go in and figure out why some folks get notifications in real-time (like I am apparently doing), and others get delayed notifications (like you are receiving)–and adjust the software to make it all even–i.e. it seems we all should be getting real-time notifications.

      We’ll have to see if anything ever happens–or not.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

    • #193963 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      To everyone in general

      I think the only way the present situation will ever be fixed, is if someone who actually understands the forum software can go in and figure out why some folks get notifications in real-time (like I am apparently doing), and others get delayed notifications (like you are receiving)–and adjust the software to make it all even–i.e. it seems we all should be getting real-time notifications.

      We’ll have to see if anything ever happens–or not.

      Well, it may not have anything to do with the AskWoody forum software, at least, not directly! Looks like there may be a *higher order* email system that’s in play that may be effecting email delivery of notifications. If so, it’s then a question of who signed AskWoody up for that third party mailer, and what interactions AskWoody has with trouble shooting what goes on, and why?

      I was looking at the notifications yesterday, and finally focused in on the top header:

      AskWoody noreply@askwoody.com via sendgrid.net

      Googled *sendgrid.net*, and found that it is a third party email aggregater and email sender. Came across this forum post, and reply #6 seems to hold at least a hint of what it’s all about:

      Wilders email notifications now contain ct.sendgrid.net URL

      From Reply #2:
      The reason for adding it is that our email server had too many domains that refuse to accept email from us. Using a paid for service like Sendgrid allows our emails to be almost universally deliverable now.

      From Reply #6:
      The type of blocking that we were subject to had nothing to do with spam folders or whether you white or black listed our emails. Nothing any of you could click in your email service could fix this problem. Our mail server was simply rejected (and disconnected) right in the initial connection dialog. They never let us even start to transfer the email to them. So, for the domains in question, the emails weren’t just sitting in a spam folder somewhere. They never left our mail server.

      Translation: ISP’s (Internet Service Providers–i.e. your email provider) have been getting increasing numbers of spam emails. They have subscribed to multiple anti-spam check lists–but, instead of blocking specific IP addresses–they are now blocking whole *blocks* of IP addresses. (What that means: a typical specific IP address might be: 76.241.149.145. If you block that complete single address, only that one gets blocked. But, if you block any of the IP’s address above that last segment (i.e the .145), then you are blocking all IP addresses that have the next higher *block* of addresses. So you could block the *.149*, and every IP address that has that 3rd group number and below would be blocked. Or if you blocked the *.241*, then everything below that number is blocked. And same with *76*–if you blocked that level then everything below that is blocked.

      So, the ISP’s have been blocking more and more IP addresses using the higher block numbers, thus catching an ever larger number of *innocent* bystanders in their blocking activities.

      Enter the third party email senders such as *SendGrid.net*. Apparently they are aggressively screening out sources of spam, and marketing their email sources as relatively free of spam to ISPs. So, the ISPs are allowing the emails from *SendGrid.net* to go through, and be received by the ISP’s users.

      Doing a little more searching:

      Scheduling Parameters

      Apparently, *SendGrid.net* has the ability to schedule when batches of emails will be sent out–so that may explain why walker is getting his emails all delivered at once, at approx. 1:20 am in the morning hours. But, that does not explain why others are getting emails in *real time*, and they are not being scheduled to be delivered once per day at some odd hour. There’s probably something that determines who’s in which category, but I don’t know what!

      I’m just guessing and speculating–I have no inside knowledge–but, someone should have that information, somewhere!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #193969 Reply

        satrow
        AskWoody MVP

        If it’s any help, my email subs via Yahoo have been ‘normal’ as of the last four days.

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      • #193982 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        As you surmise, we’re using sendgrid. It’s the only service I’ve found that blasts through really bad”spam” filters. More details when I get to a real pc.

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      • #194004 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        To NightOwl, Woody, satrow:    I’ve been too under the weather to keep up with the emails.   About May 21st, I suddenly began receiving the email notifications without any problems at all, and they have continued to “keep coming”.    I will now need to “try” to start getting caught up.    IT’S WONDERFUL TO GET ALL OF THESE EMAILS!!!!

        I’ve been too much under the weather to get to the computer until now, however wanted to let everyone know that my notifications are coming in without nary a problem.

        Now I am having a problem getting a reply sent out.  So will try to make it short – – – –  My notifications began coming in without a problem beginning about May 20 or 21st.  It’s been super-great!  Thank you for everyone who has shared his/her experiences with all everyone else, and for those who have that wonderful “computer expertise and  knowledge” which is such a great asset.    Thank you to everyone!    🙂

        NightOwl, Woody, satrow, and all others:

        I had one reply started, however it disappeared.   I’ve been “under the weather”, however I have now noted that the email notification system is back up, and running without any problems, starting about May 20th or thereabouts.    IT’S WONDERFUL!   Now I must devote a lot of work to trying to get caught up.

        I don’t know what changed it, however it’s running like a top!    Whatever corrected this problem it has resolved itself,  just as satrow noted on his Yahoo.

        It appears to have been resolved permanently (at least for me).  Thank you to all who have been sharing their experiences with this problem, and possess the expertise to understand all of the knowledge that is necessary to do that!!   Thank you to you all!     🙂

        Edit to remove several hundred carriage returns – did you hold the Return/Enter key down on your keyboard?

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    • #193970 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ satrow

      If it’s any help, my email subs via Yahoo have been ‘normal’ as of the last four days.

      Maybe someone is working on this issue in the background, and is getting it adjusted and fine-tuned.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #193973 Reply

        satrow
        AskWoody MVP

        Quite likely, these changes are often rolled out over a few days or so, I wouldn’t expect all their server’s filters to be fully synched until they’ve done further log analysis and/or checked their complaints logs.

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    • #194044 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      To everyone who may be following walker’s original post, and his saga:

      As you surmise, we’re using sendgrid. It’s the only service I’ve found that blasts through really bad ”spam” filters. More details when I get to a real pc.

      As I speculated:

      ….–but, someone should have that information, somewhere!

      we might have a source of *more information*!

      I think we know why people who have been having issues with the notification process are now beginning to get some improvements!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #194167 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:   Just a quick update on “my situation”.    When I attempted to send a reply to one  message, I couldn’t get it to go through, however part of it did, and then I thought that if I tried “edit” that would allow me to finish my message.

        What it ended up doing was “blocking me” for trying to edit that message, and NOW I am back to my previous “basically NO email notifications” as of this morning.   I did receive ONE at 6:27 a.m. and that is “all” for today, so now I’m back to “square one”.   All I can do is “hope that it resolves itself as it did the first time”.   I DID NOTHING to cause this to occur again.

        Thank you all for continuing to post your progress.      I only wish this had not occurred again.      🙁

    • #194248 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      When I attempted to send a reply to one message, I couldn’t get it to go through, however part of it did, and then I thought that if I tried “edit” that would allow me to finish my message.

      What it ended up doing was “blocking me” for trying to edit that message,

      This is a known problem, but usually it only happens if you have a small correction like a misspelled word, and you quickly hit the *Submit* button after making the small change. If you spend some time in the *Edit* mode finishing your reply, then it usually goes through okay. But, if you have something within the post that the AskWoody Spam Monitor sees as malicious or unacceptable code, then you can sometimes get trapped by the Spam Monitor for that reason.

      But, what I’ve seen happen is that the Reply *disappears*. But, I don’t know what you mean by it is *blocking me*–what do you mean by that–what does *blocking me* mean?

      So, can you remember what happened?

      Was there anything *special* about what you were stating in your response–any outside links, or anything other than text for your response?

      Did the message you tried to edit *disappear*–or is it still in the Topic you were responding to?

      What Topic were you trying to post to–link if possible?

      To be honest, I don’t know if there is any link between the AskWoody Spam Monitor, and the email Notification system–there could be if you are being identified as a producer of Spam Replies.

      I DID NOTHING to cause this to occur again.

      Well …. maybe you *did something*–but, probably nothing you were actually attempting to do on purpose (smile).

      Answer the above questions, and I will try to see what I can find out.

      P.S. Let me know if you get a Notification for this response to this topic.

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #194420 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:    I will attempt to be as detailed as possible.  Insofar as the emails starting at a certain time (I should clarify this statement – – – – the e-mails start at a certain time, and then came through periodically throughout the day.   NP once they got started (usually after midnight my time).    Then (beginning from the first incident) suddenly (after it was corrected by “whatever luck there was out there) – – –  I suddenly stopped getting email notifications, and Kristy notified me that it was because I had attempted to send an e-mail numerous times and that this was “verboten”.     So I NEVER did that again.

        This last, recent incident began (I’m pretty certain about this) when I wanted to send an e-mail to you, and the others who had been sharing their experiences with us all.   When I would begin typing the message, the page just moved me right off of it, and I was “searching” around trying to locate it.   It just disappeared, and then I found part of it much lower down than it should have been.    It was as if I had no control over this message (and it WAS my first message!).  When I finally noted that “part of the message” was finally “showing up” (actually posted), I thought that I could use the “edit” to add the additional information which I wanted to post.    That is when I was hit was something HUGE!   Cut me right off, and the beginning portion of this NOTICE stated as follows:

        Your access to this site has been limited (in very large black letters). The next portion started out as (normal size letters in RED) :

        Exceeded the maximum global requests per minute for crawlers or humans.

        Then a whole lot more rhetoric which I did not understand.

        I sent Woody a message about this at the time, and since then (as of this morning, I just noticed), I am receiving the notifications.    I did “nothing” wrong other than to try to “edit” the email which kept disappearing in the menu.   I am so far behind now in attempting to keep up with the topics I don’t know “if or when” I will be able to succeed in doing this, as I have had a health issue I’m dealing with as well (minor surgery).

        Insofar as “blocking” websites from popup notices, I only have TWO who are allowed, and one of them is Ask Woody to send “notifications” under “notification permissions.   This is in Firefox “Options”, it is under the “Firefox Permissions”   (under settings) .  The others on that list are all blocked.

        IMHO Firefox has the notifications  wide open for AskWoody.   Also nothing to be seen in any “spam” folders” in Yahoo.   I receive almost NO spam messages, so it was not Yahoo who was holding anything back either.

        Insofar as I can recall, these were the precise and exact circumstances which occurred  when I attempted to send you a message (with the others added on the @portion).    At least everything is beginning to come through and starts sometime after midnight (EDT), once the notifications begin, they come in  periodically throughout the day (started 2:20 a.m. this morning).   That is all I can contribute to everything I can think of that has occurred since it started.   I appreciate all of those who shared their experiences, and hope and pray this it does not recur.    Thank you, Nightowl for your interest and for sharing your computer expertise (something which I an definitely lacking in.    I sincerely appreciate it, more than words can express.     🙂

        • #194472 Reply

          PaulK
          AskWoody Lounger

          This may be way, way out in left field, but —

          You said: “When I would begin typing the message, the page just moved me right off of it, and I was ‘searching’ around trying to locate it. It just disappeared, and then I found part of it much lower down than it should have been.”

          By any chance might you have a misbehaving keyboard? Specifically, may it be that the ‘Enter’ key sometimes sticks? This could cause multiple blank lines (carriage-returns) to occur. Also check the other Enter key, the one on the numeric keypad.

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          • #194490 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @paulk:   I thought I had replied to your very enlightening message, however I did just check now, and do not see it, so apparently it was not sent.    Please accept my apologies.   What you described, and PKCano also references sound as if it is the best “possibility” for causing the problems which I encountered.   I will try to check both “enter” keys functioning (I’m not quite certain how to do that, however I will do the best I can).

            Thank you for your excellent observation of what occurred with my total lack of control of the message I was attempting to send.   I had no idea that anything such as this could occur.     I appreciate the knowledge and expertise you possess in assessing the situation which I found myself in, and had no idea of what could have possibly gone wrong.   Thank you once again for sending this information.  It is sincerely appreciated.       🙂

        • #194476 Reply

          PKCano
          AskWoody MVP

          See my editing note at the bottom of the post above

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          • #194489 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @pkcano:  I just now saw your message and read it, as well as the message from PaulK.    I had no idea that anything such as was described could occur, however it is entirely possible that this is what happened.  It certainly sounds as if this could have occurred, and that I missed it since I was not feeling well.

            It sounds as if it “qualifies” as a very possible reason for what occurred.    I will try to look at the keyboard tomorrow, or as soon as possible, and study the actions which occur if one of the “enter” keys is sticking.    Thank you, and PaulK for your thoughts about what could have caused such bizarre behavior.

            I thought I had replied to PaulK’s posting, however I don’t see it and I don’t want to send a duplicate message.

            I most sincerely appreciate your invaluable expertise and comments about this occurrence. Thank you very, very much for your assistance which, as always, is outstanding.    🙂

             

          • #194492 Reply

            PaulK
            AskWoody Lounger

            @pkcano: Absolutely right on! My cache (the one that purportedly is between my ears) seems to be good only for about one day’s worth of storage, and the indexing of anything beyond that distressingly gets purged without notice. I previously had read your suffix – but that was dated two days ago.

            @walker: Besides a ‘stuck key’ (food particle or dirt intermittently jamming the mechanism) there is another possibility. Are you on a laptop, and also have an auxiliary keyboard turned on? If so, you now have more than two active Enter keys. An errant cat or flopped-over book can go unnoticed. How to diagnose a sticking key? Open Notepad, and repeatedly press Enter(s) and wiggle the key. Press at different angles, not only vertically. Feel for any non-smoothness; note if key doesn’t immediately release. On the screen, track the cursor line location: one line only per press.

            A more unlikely possibility is that you have Filter Keys activated.
            Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Ease of Access Center\Set up Filter Keys

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            • #194554 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @paulk:  Well this morning I only had TWO notifications, one at 6:29 a.m. and the other one at 6:31 a.m. Nothing since that time so I am going back to yesterday where I picked up your message from then.  It is going to take a long time to wade through everything, however I think each and every comment brings things closer to resolution.

              No, I don’t have any other computer, no lap top for sure.   I don’t even use “Note Pad”.   I have always tried to stay away from the more sophisticated programs….   I have been an AskWoody participant for several years with never a problem until now.   Since there are so many experts, and IT people out there, there may be even more “what if’s” to ponder.  No errant pets that may have walked across the keyboard either.    I may try to find the Note Pad and attempt the navigation you have cited above.

              Thank you once again for your excellent ideas.  You are an example of those who have the “computer savy”, and put it to good use to help others.    It is very much appreciated!   🙂

            • #194563 Reply

              PaulK
              AskWoody Lounger

              There are two simple text-creating-and-editing programs that Microsoft has for years included in their distributions of Windows. The simplest one is Notepad; the other one, which includes elementary word-processing-and-formatting capability, is WordPad. Note the way the names are spelled. I have shortcuts to both of these on my Desktop.

              So, where are these located on your system? Follow this trail:
              Start > All Programs > [may have to scroll down to] Accessories > Notepad [and] WordPad.

              Then RIGHT-click on each (you’ll have to follow the above trail twice, once for each of the programs) > Send to > Desktop (create shortcut).

              Click on the Notepad shortcut on your Desktop, and start typing away! When you Save the file it will have a file-type of [.txt].

              You have seen in many posts the exhortation to edit a file by using Notepad in order to be able to see exactly the text that is involved; any formatting control characters – HTML or other – will be apparent and can then be removed. The use of Notepad – “WYSIWYG” (What You See Is What You Get) – really is elementary to the handling of text. (WordPad, as well as other word-processing applications, also can create .txt files by using “Save as” instead of just “Save”.)

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            • #194589 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @paulk:  Thank you so much for the message….   There is quite a lot of very useful information you have posted.    Since I’m not “up and running” just yet, this may take me a while, however “if and when” I can find success at even finding Word Pad, I will see what I can do.   Please don’t think I’ve forgotten, it’s just that at the present time I’m not feeling well enough to undertake anything “new”.    I really don’t  know what the “BBCode” is supposed to be or what it is related to (yes, talk about “dumb” etc.)!!!  Where there is nothing that says “you can use BBCodes to format your content I don’t know exactly what that means either.

              In other words, I try to avoid anything that I don’t understand (and that is a whole heck of a lot).    Thank you for all of the very good information you have provided….    It may take longer than you think for me to be able to fully participate for awhile, however I monitor all of the topics I can possibly find time for.     You are outstanding in very respect, and I sincerely appreciate that!      🙂

    • #194733 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @paulk:  This is for all who are interested in the current situation with my “problem” trying to get my notifications in a timely manner.

      My record for “today” is that I received TWO notifications:

      one at 1:52 a.m. and one at 5:00 a.m.   That is all.

      Everything else was from later in afternoon yesterday.   The two notifications I received today are apparently all I am going to get unless I go into the blog, and others areas to try to find recent postings.

      I wonder if everything will EVER get back to normal again.    I hope no one else ever encounters this situation.    🙁

    • #194736 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      This is for all who are interested in the current situation with my “problem” trying to get my notifications in a timely manner.

      My record for “today” is that I received TWO notifications:

      one at 1:52 a.m. and one at 5:00 a.m.   That is all.

      I need you to confirm for our information:

      1. Check–you have stated the times you received the above notifications–when did others post their reply that generated those notifications?

      2. You are probably *Subscribed* to more than *two* Topics (You mentioned “Everything else was from later in afternoon yesterday.”) Check some of those *Other* Topics–did any of them have *new* Replies–or were the above two Notifications the only New Replies since your last batch of Notifications?

      Let us know what you find.

      P.S. I have another post coming later about what I found regarding your possible *stuck* keyboard key issue–the answer(s) are *muddy* at best–just as a *teaser* (smile)!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #194741 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:  Well, I’m not quite sure about everything from May 26th because I probably deleted several, however I will post what I do have as requested.

        Those I received today show the exact time that they were sent as I annotated.  I feel that is when the “entity” which is “holding” these emails released them.  I have received a few messages today, however ONLY one of them was a “reply”, and that was yours which I show as being sent at 11:01 a.m.   I have received 3 other notifications, however I think that these I just subscribed to 2 of them today!   They were not generated in response to a message which was posted by me.    Yours is the only one which was a “reply”.     Hope this may be of some help.   Those others show the following times:

        10:55 a.m.  – – –  10:57 a.m.  – – – 11:32 a.m.

        I’m sure that I only subscribed to these earlier this morning.   Nothing else has come through, so apparently the “server” is holding any others back until “it” decides” to send them.   My thoughts about what effect this has had upon me are not positive.  I have  no other comments.   If there are any other questions you may have (or I missed), please reply).   I may have company coming later, however I will do the best I can.   Thank you so much for not giving up on this!    🙂

    • #194751 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      I have received a few messages today, however ONLY one of them was a “reply”, and that was yours which I show as being sent at 11:01 a.m.

      Well, that sure looks like you got that Notification, pretty much, in *real time* notification.

      I have received 3 other notifications, however I think that these I just subscribed to 2 of them today!   They were not generated in response to a message which was posted by me.    Yours is the only one which was a “reply”.

      Just to be clear, Notifications are not sent to you if *YOU* make a Reply. The forum software ignors the postings by the User who posts them. It’s only Replies by *OTHERS* that will generate a Notification that a Reply has been made to a Subscribed To Topic.

      Having said that, I’m trying to understand what you are saying: What is the content of the *Other* Notifications? The only Notifications I’m aware of are the ones that notify me that a Reply has been made to a Topic I’m Subscribed to! What *Other* Notifications are you receiving?

      I tested Subscribing to a new Topic just a few moments ago–I did not, and have not received any Notifications regarding having Subscribed to that Topic, and I do not recall ever getting any other Notification except to *Replies*–so, again, what Notifications are you getting?

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

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      • #195049 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:      The other myriads of notifications being received are copies of replies from one person to another, and everyone gets these insofar as I know.  I have more emails now than I can keep up with, because once the flood gates opened they opened WIDE.

        I don’t think I’ve been using the ampersand, however I’m not familiar with exactly what that is supposed to be doing.  If I try to copy one of the notifications to send, it may kick off something crazy again, so I’m afraid to do that.   These notifications are between others, not myself.  I receive a copy of all of the replies between the users.

        As you mentioned you don’t get a copy of a reply you have sent to another person, however it does show up in the “topic”.   I’m afraid to try to write anything if something like ampersand you mentioned causes issues.     I do not consciously add anything that should cause problems, however from what I’m reading it could be something such as a space in the wrong place, using the quotation marks, etc.   I just don’t know.

        I apologize for being so computer illiterate.   I never had a problem until this began after some changes to the program being utilized.   I really feel badly about being unable to provide more information, because you know what you are talking about, and I don’t.   Thank you once again for all of your interest and help.   🙂

    • #194752 Reply

      NightOwl
      AskWoody MVP

      @ walker

      Below is a quote from your reply above:

      I feel that is when the “entity” which is “holding” these emails released them.  I have received a few messages today, however ONLY one of them was a “reply”, and that was yours which I show as being sent at 11:01 a.m.   I have received 3 other notifications, however I think that these I just subscribed to 2 of them today!   They were not generated in response to a message which was posted by me.    Yours is the only one which was a “reply”.     Hope this may be of some help.   Those others show the following times:

      10:55 a.m.  – – –  10:57 a.m.  – – – 11:32 a.m.

      When I quoted parts of the above in my reply above, I noticed multiple bbCode–hard coded spacing–i.e. the use of the bbCode of *ampersandnbsp;* (replace the word *ampersand* with the symbol *&* to get the actual bbCode command–if used in this reply box, the *Editor* strips out the bbCode).

      Below, I’m going to quote the above again, only this time I’m going to edit out the hard coded bbCode for spaces, and put in the symbol *&* to show you where the spaces are, and how many of the hard coded commands for those spaces there are:

      I feel that is when the “entity” which is “holding” these emails released them.& I have received a few messages today, however ONLY one of them was a “reply”, and that was yours which I show as being sent at 11:01 a.m.&& I have received 3 other notifications, however I think that these I just subscribed to 2 of them today!&& They were not generated in response to a message which was posted by me.&&& Yours is the only one which was a “reply”.&&&& Hope this may be of some help.&& Those others show the following times:

      10:55 a.m.& – – –& 10:57 a.m.& – – – 11:32 a.m.

      If you looked closely at the text in your replies, you will see that there is *extra* spacing where each of the *&* symbols show the *hard coded bbCode* for a *space* compared to the spacing everywhere else in the Reply.

      Do you recall–is there any specific formatting that you are adding when you make your replies–such as extra spacing using the *space* key on the keyboard–especially along with some other key combination? Are you using any special commands or adding any special coding, other than entering text to your replies? Are you using the *Visual* tab at the top of the Reply Box to enter your replies–or are you using the *Text* tab?

      The only times I have seen the *ampersandnbsp;* added to text replies in the Reply Box, has been when I played around with creating a *List* of items that I want to be *numbered*, or *bulletted* (having a round dot in front of that item–and all the other items in the list).

      I’m wondering why your replies have these?!

      NightOwl

      No question is stupid ... but, possibly the answers are 😉 !

      • #195051 Reply

        walker
        AskWoody Lounger

        @nightowl:   I reread your message above, and I can see that the text was changed as you mentioned.  I don’t know why that would change.   I am doing nothing consciously that would change anything (because I am so illiterate that I don’t know the answer).

        I’m not using any special coding, or adding anything that I can think of.  In the past I’ve utilized the quote symbols, and the and sign.   Those are the only ones I can think of.   At the present time I am afraid to use “anything” other than just plain text because apparently this is a problem for some unknown reason.   I do apologize once again for being unable to relate more about the way I’ve sent these text messages.   They were all right for years, and suddenly they are creating problems.    Once again, I do thank you, and appreciate your help more than words can say.      🙁

        • #195063 Reply

          Kirsty
          AskWoody MVP

          @walker
          Have you tried copying what it is you are trying to post in your replies, pasting it into whatever word processor you use (i.e. Word is fine), saving it as .txt; then copy that and paste it here, using the text tab in the text editor (rather than the Visual tab)?
          See here for more info.

          I apologise if this is irrelevant or unrelated to the problem mentioned, but it might possibly be worth trying?
          😉

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          • #195151 Reply

            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @kirsty:  Thank you for the information.  At the present time I’m unable to spend much time on the computer, however I have this topic bookmarked, and can go back again so I don’t lose your message.   I use Corel Word Perfect for what minimal amount of texts I prepare,  however I’m hoping that word program will suffice.   Thank you once again.   Your invaluable assistance is sincerely appreciated, as always.   🙂

    • #195052 Reply

      walker
      AskWoody Lounger

      @nightowl:   I noted that I had forgotten to mention that when I wish to reply to a message, I click on the reply word above the message, which I’ve always done.   I overlooked this question.  I’ve never sent a reply using anything other than this method.   Hope that may be of some help.

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