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    • #2138583 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      …. and… we’re off. The Microsoft Update Catalog lists 151 separate patches.
      [See the full post at: February 2020 Patch Tuesday foibles]

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    • #2138600 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      new Win7 patches like KB4537820 & KB4537813 are available but are ESU based

      • #2138776 Reply

        AmbularD
        AskWoody Plus

        Should those be showing up in Windows Update for those with ESU licenses?

        ETA: On Googling for information on these updates, I came across this article:

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-hk/help/4522133/procedure-to-continue-receiving-security-updates

        Apologies if all I’m doing by bringing it up is muddying the waters, but this article mentions an Extended Security Updates (ESU) Licensing Preparation Package, which I don’t recall having to mess with when I set up my ESU.  Is that something we need to be concerned with?

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        • #2138800 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          If you have paid for the ESU licensing, you need to verify that it is set up correctly and you have followed all the instructions. You should be receiving the patches through Windows Update.

    • #2138597 Reply

      anonymous

      Installed and working like a charm on 1903 testmachine

    • #2138632 Reply

      anonymous

      Looks like February 2020 MSRT was the only patch available in Win 7 Ultimate 32-bit Patch Tuesday.

      • #2138643 Reply

        Microfix
        Da Boss

        Windows 7 hit EoS last month so unless you have purchased ESU, there will be nothing.

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        • #2138862 Reply

          Seff
          AskWoody Plus

          There may still be SSU, .net framework, Office and any other third-party updates such as driver updates etc that MS may push through. Plus the occasional emergency security patch as has happened with XP. Then there’s the MSRT. Not to mention the “stretched screen” fix. I also don’t put it past Microsoft to start pushing Windows 10 again in one way or another, especially if the Windows 7 usage remains stubbornly high.

          I’m not saying you are necessarily wrong, but I do think it is too early to say that you are right! Only time will tell…

          That’s assuming we’re talking generally. If you’re simply looking at this month’s issues then you may be right, I won’t be offered any updates until tomorrow so I wouldn’t know, but it did always sound like Windows 7 might at least get the ongoing SSU updates as otherwise the WU system wouldn’t be kept up-to-date for when any emergency patches were released, and Office updates should certainly continue as even Office 2010 is supported until October.

           

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        • #2139236 Reply

          Microfix
          Da Boss

          @seff, yes I was referring to this month and windows 7 only.
          however, it looks like MSRT IS being pushed this month for Win7, although on both our x86/x64 win7 devices, MSRT has been purposefully blocked for years as it sends a ‘heartbeat’ back to Microsoft since July/August 2016.

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          • #2139560 Reply

            Seff
            AskWoody Plus

            Thanks @microfix.

            I’ve also received MSRT on both my Windows 7 desktops this week, although I stopped installing it some months ago when it caused a hiccup. It seems to me that if you already run a decent anti-virus program as well as at least manual anti-malware scans then MSRT doesn’t actually offer anything beneficial although as with all MS updates it carries a risk.

            On my one desktop with Office 2010 installed I’ve also been offered a couple of updates for that. Both machines are also offered a Preview rollup update.

            Nothing installed as yet, as per the Defcon. In any event, it’s only the Office updates that I’ll want to install if and when the time is right, anyway.

            My main dilemma is that reading the Windows 7 update articles about EOL at the same time as the Windows 10 ones dealing with all sorts of other current problems as well as the convoluted advice about “pause” settings together with “metered connections”, not to mention boot managers which I know nothing about, I’m left as a browser/emailer/gamer with only credit card online purchases (that my bank covers against fraud) and no online banking or other e.g. online investment transactions etc, it seems to me that choosing between Windows 7 and Windows 10 at the moment is indeed like choosing between a rock and a hard place. Every time I decide to bite the bullet and give Windows 10 a go something crops up with that system’s updates and I’m back to square one!

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    • #2138639 Reply

      PKCano
      Da Boss

      AKB 2000003 has been updated for Group B Win7 (ESU) and Win8.1 on Feb. 11, 2020.

      There are Security-only and IE11 Cumulative Updates for those with Win7 ESU subscriptions.
      There is also a new Servicing Stack KB4537829 32-bit or 64-bit for Win7.

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    • #2138647 Reply

      krzemien
      AskWoody Lounger

      Also these little nuggets are present:

      https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4524244/security-update-for-windows-10-february-11-2020

      https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4502496/security-update-for-windows-10-version-1507-windows-8-1-rt-8-1-server

      Addresses an issue in which a third-party Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) boot manager might expose UEFI-enabled computers to a security vulnerability.

      It does look that all supported Windows versions are affected & addressed – except 1909. Nice.

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      • #2138675 Reply

        anonymous

        I have the version 1909 and received KB4524244 via WU.

        • #2138680 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          KB4524244 is a Security patch for all versions of Win10,

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          • #2138721 Reply

            KYKaren
            AskWoody Plus

            but it says nothing about KB4524244 pertaining to version 1909 here

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          • #2139392 Reply

            KYKaren
            AskWoody Plus

            So, with Version 1909, Quality Updates set to 0, Group Policy Editor set to #2 – Notify download/install, and wushowhide on the Desktop, should KB4524244 be hidden, when a download/install notification for it appears?

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            • #2139395 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              You don’t have to hide anything. It will not install (it will sit in the queue) unless you click the “Download” button OR you “Check for updates.”

            • #2139422 Reply

              KYKaren
              AskWoody Plus

              Let me ask another way then:

              So, with Version 1909, Quality Updates set to 0, Group Policy Editor set to #2 – Notify download/install, and wushowhide on the Desktop, should the “Download” button for KB4524244 be clicked on when/if it appears?

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              Online: Win10Pro ∙ 1909.18363 ∙ x64 ∙ i7-8565U ∙ RAM 16GB ∙ SSD ∙ Firefox ∙ McAfee Internet Security ∙ Windows Defender

            • #2139434 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              We’re on DEFCON-2. That means WAIT with the Feb. patches.

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      • #2139801 Reply

        rc primak
        AskWoody_MVP

        Regarding letting Microsoft patch your third-party UEFI. One word (OK two, a contraction). DON’T!

        Go ONLY to your BIOS/UEFI manufacturer’s site (or use their utility) to look for UEFI updates. Doing anything else risks bricking your PC. A bad UEFI update is the same thing as a failed BIOS flash. Not something you want to risk happening.

        This sort of nonsense is why we around AskWoody keep wushowhide in our arsenal.

        -- rc primak

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        • #2139944 Reply

          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          Microsoft is patching its secure boot loader, an inbox component since Windows 8.1 (or 8)
          it does not mess with the machine UEFI platform, unless it’s rootkit’ed

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          • #2139977 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            Interesting. But then why does the KB article say:

            Addresses an issue in which a third-party Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) boot manager might expose UEFI-enabled computers to a security vulnerability.

            Is MS saying their in-box component is faulty, or that the (unidentified) third-party UEFI boot manager is faulty?

          • #2140563 Reply

            rc primak
            AskWoody_MVP

            Microsoft is patching its secure boot loader, an inbox component since Windows 8.1 (or 8)
            it does not mess with the machine UEFI platform, unless it’s rootkit’ed

            That casts this whole issue in a new light. I’d have to know for sure whether this is indeed the case before I would unhide and install this patch.

            maybe some 3rd part UEFI provider is using old or bad certificate key from Microsoft
            so they updated the database to prevent that

            That also makes a lot of sense. Again, I’d have to see proven (documented) details to know whether this is indeed the case here.

            -- rc primak

    • #2138672 Reply

      warrenrumak
      AskWoody Plus

      Could someone verify what happens if you try to manually install the Feb 2020 update on a Windows 7 machine that isn’t enrolled in ESU?

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      • #2138753 Reply

        RDRguy
        AskWoody Lounger

        Though I haven’t tried doing it myself (nor do I intend to), looking up Microsoft’s 2020-02 Windows 7 KB article for KB4537813 (Security-only update) here states you might(?) receive a Windows Update failure upon reboot after installation.

        Known issues in this update
        Symptom:
        After installing this update and restarting your device, you might receive the error, “Failure to configure Windows updates. Reverting Changes. Do not turn off your computer”, and the update might show as Failed in Update History.

        Workaround:
        This is expected in the following cirumstances:

        If you are installing this update on a device that is running an edition that is not supported for ESU. For a complete list of which editions are supported, see KB4497181.

        If you do not have an ESU MAK add-on key installed and activated.

        If you have purchased an ESU key and have encountered this issue, please verify you have applied all prerequisites and that your key is activated. For information on activation, please see this blog post. For information on the prerequisites, see the “How to get this update” section of this article.

        note: Microsoft’s “circumstances” spelling error …

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        • #2139449 Reply

          anonymous

          Manual installation of monthly cumulative updates have worked without issue on the EOS Win 10 Pro 1803 version.  It does not appear that the monthly cumulative package on the Update Catalog checks for supported Win editions (Enterprise, Education) vs unsupported editions (Pro, Home).  Installations have been clean and stable.

    • #2138673 Reply

      Zaphyrus
      AskWoody Lounger

      so is the security hole that big? (big enough for a patch for all W10 versions)

      well, I guess like all the patches, we should wait for our brave testers and Woody’s green signal right?

      or should we patch right away?

      Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.
      • #2138678 Reply

        warrenrumak
        AskWoody Plus

        Hold off on installing the February patches for now.  It is extremely rare for a security vulnerability to be widely exploited within the first several days after Patch Tuesday, so there’s no need to rush into it.

        If you haven’t installed the January patches yet, you should install those since they seem pretty okay for the most part.

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      • #2138692 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        so is the security hole that big? (big enough for a patch for all W10 versions)

        If you’re talking about KB 4524244, I bet we’ll discover pretty quickly which UEFI program is screwed up. When we find out, you may or may not need to install the patch.

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      • #2138701 Reply

        Zaphyrus
        AskWoody Lounger

        Ok then I will wait.

        Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.
        • #2138707 Reply

          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          Ok then I will wait.

          Do you use a 3rd party UEFI boot manager?

          • #2138759 Reply

            Zaphyrus
            AskWoody Lounger

            Not at all

            Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.
    • #2138677 Reply

      bbearren
      AskWoody MVP

      Seeker/cannon-fodder report:

      Malicious Software Removal Tool and
      KB4537759 Security Update for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64-based Systems
      KB4532693 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64-based Systems

      O&O Shutup10 didn’t see any changes to be reverted.  Everything appears to function as expected, programs open, shortcuts work, etc.  The same on my laptop with the addition of a security update each for Outlook 2010 and Excel 2010.

      As usual, no issues to report.  My NAS will wait for the push.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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      • #2139174 Reply

        bbearren
        AskWoody MVP

        It didn’t occur to me to check until this morning, but I’m now Version 1909 (OS Build 18363.657.

        Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
        "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
        "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

    • #2138681 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      Windows 1909 Test Beta
      February 11, 2020

      Installed all three updates from Windows Update and then rebooted without error.

      kb4524244 (pointed to this link after installation in Update History)
      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4504418/servicing-stack-update-kb4504418

      A search on kb4524244 yielded this link:
      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/20200211/security-update-deployment-information-february-11-2020

      Installed this update from Windows Update and rebooted without error.

      G{ot backup} TestBeta
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    • #2138700 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Could someone verify what happens if you try to manually install the Feb 2020 update on a Windows 7 machine that isn’t enrolled in ESU?

      Error message ““Failure to configure Windows updates. Reverting Changes. Do not turn off your computer” may be displayed after the installation of the update.

      Microsoft notes that this may happen when a) the update is installed on a device that is not supported for ESU or b) if an ESU MAK add-on key is not installed and activated.

      https://www.ghacks.net/2020/02/11/microsoft-windows-security-updates-february-2020-overview/

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    • #2138702 Reply

      zero2dash
      AskWoody Lounger

      Another Q for someone to ponder and test – does abbodi’s ESU tweak/script bypass the check and allow a non-ESU Win7 machine to install the updates.

      • #2138711 Reply

        Microfix
        Da Boss

        I doubt it and even if it did, there would only be trouble ahead.

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      • #2139129 Reply

        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        It only works without February SSU KB4537829, which changed the eligibility check procedure

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        • #2139302 Reply

          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          at least the KB4537820 rollup doesn’t require KB4537829 yet (it does require KB4538483 however). MS in the future may develop newer rollups that may require KB4537829 SSU or higher, thus closing the ESU bypass loophole

          • #2139455 Reply

            Kranium
            AskWoody Lounger

            …for a few days, anyway. Already happened once. It’s always a game of leapfrog.

             

            Anyway, I can confirm that the ESU updates installed successfully for me, using the bypass & doing it manually. (as I have for years) Much less of a pain compared to what many run into – I mean, c’mon, it’s bad enough for Susan to feel the need to apologize! (she doesn’t need to, not her fault or in her control at all, but she’s a stand-up girl)

            Group B for WIN7 w/ ESU, plus trying out Linux builds in dual boot.

          • #2139673 Reply

            abbodi86
            AskWoody_MVP

            Yes, it’s very expected that March updates will require February SSU KB4537829

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    • #2138703 Reply

      KYKaren
      AskWoody Plus

      Does the February MS-DEFCON 2 apply to the February MSRT?

      and the 2020-02 Adobe Flash Player  (KB4537759)?

      or just the the CUs (e.g., 2020-02 CU for Windows 10 Version 1909  KB4532693)?

      All three show up in wushowhide and am wondering whether to hide only the last one above?  or only the the last two?  or all of them?  until MS-DEFCON rises to 3 or 4.

      FYI — Version 1909, Group Policy Editor>Automatic Windows Update set to #2- ‘Notify download/install’

      Feb-11-Patch-Tuesday-Updates-in-the-queue

      .

       

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        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        MS-DEFCON rating applies to all patches.

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      • #2138727 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        For these specific patches:

        You can always run the MSRT update. It may get screwed up, but MS will unscrew it quickly.

        Get rid of Flash Player. In any way possible.

        Then worry about the “real” update after the pioneers have gone out and blazed the trail. There’s nothing on offer that you need right now.

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    • #2138716 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      “I expect we’ll hear much more about a pan-Win10 patch, KB 4524244, Security update for Windows 10, version 1607, 1703, 1709, 1803, 1809, and 1903: February 11, 2020.”

      Will Microsoft apply KB 4524244 only to Windows 10 PCs with 3rd party UEFI boot managers, or will they force the update on all Windows 10 PCs ?

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      • #2138729 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Good question. I don’t know. From the way the KB is worded, it sounds like MS is casting aspersions on one specific UEFI boot manager. Not clear if it’s 3rd party (i.e., from someone other than the manufacturer) or not.

      • #2138731 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        V1909 is also included. They just forgot to also list it.

        See the Catalog and the Update History page.

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      • #2138746 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        KB4524244 installed on my 1909, and I’m not aware that I have third-party anything.

        Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

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    • #2138805 Reply

      gkarasik
      AskWoody Plus

      …. and… we’re off. The Microsoft Update Catalog lists 151 separate patches.
      [See the full post at: February 2020 Patch Tuesday foibles]

      Running WinUp on a Win7/Ent/32bit machine licensed for ESU shows only KB4537829 Servicing Stack update available.

      GaryK

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      • #2138870 Reply

        RDRguy
        AskWoody Lounger

        The Microsoft Update Catalog here currently lists these five (10 if you count the x64 & x86 updates separately) 2020-02 Windows 7 Updates:

        1) 2020-02 Servicing Stack Update for Windows 7 (KB4537829)
        2) 2020-02 Security Only Quality Update for Windows 7 (KB4537813)
        3) 2020-02 Extended Security Updates (ESU) Licensing Preparation Package for Windows 7 (KB4538483)
        4) 2020-02 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 (KB4537820)
        5) 2020-02 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 11 for Windows 7 (KB4537767)

        note:
        There’s a “Previous | Next” page selection link near the top of Microsoft Update Catalog webpage just above the “Download” button to scroll through the pages if there’s more than 1 page applicable to your “search term” … in the case of “2020-02”, there are 7 applicable pages.

        There’s also a page & update count on the left hand side … “Updates: 1 – 25 of 164 (page 1 of 7)”

        (edited for typos)

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      • #2138873 Reply

        RDRguy
        AskWoody Lounger

        @gkarasik … ooooops, sorry I misread your post.

        Just guessing but maybe you’re only seeing the SSU update because it needs to be installed first now that you’re ESU licensed?

        • #2138880 Reply

          gkarasik
          AskWoody Plus

          @gkarasik … ooooops, sorry I misread your post.

          Just guessing but maybe you’re only seeing the SSU update because it needs to be installed first now that you’re ESU licensed?

          The SSU update installed. I rebooted and ran WinUp again, but still nothing shows. I downloaded and installed the updates manually. On another machine I installed the BypassESU patch from My Digital Life, but that too shows no updates available. I can do them manually on the rest of my Win7 machines; it’s a pain though because three out of five require individual reboots. There’s a way to use the Windows installer to create a bat file to install multiple updates with but a single reboot, but it’s been so long since I’ve used it that I’ve forgotten the process.

          GaryK

      • #2139007 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP
    • #2138887 Reply

      anonymous

      On my system, 0patch has already patched the JScript vulnerability.

      I’m only using the free version, and have not paid for their extended Windows 7 support.

      The only other thing it has patched besides itself is wab32.dll (Windows Contacts related), which apparently had an arbitrary code execution exploit that never got a CVE number.

    • #2138918 Reply

      warrenrumak
      AskWoody Plus

      I was scratching my head as to why Windows 10 1703 received an update today.  Wasn’t it supposed to stop getting updates a few months ago?

      It turns out that Microsoft is going to be continuing to release updates for Windows 10 1703, specifically to support the original Surface Hub.  How long for?  Well, there’s this —

      Untitled-1

      Surely they aren’t going to be updating 1703 for another six years!?

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    • #2138922 Reply

      r1ma
      AskWoody Lounger

      So it’s safe to install this update ( February 2020 Patch Tuesday)?

      Thanks.

      • #2138925 Reply

        Bluetrix
        AskWoody MVP

        So it’s safe to install this update ( February 2020 Patch Tuesday)?

        No.
        Woody has MS-DEFCON set at 2.

        Update at your own peril.

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        • #2139216 Reply

          r1ma
          AskWoody Lounger

          2020-02-12_17-45-53

          @bluetrix I set mine to delay updates till:

          Is that ok? Thank you.

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    • #2138983 Reply

      Cybertooth
      AskWoody Plus

      All my Windows 7 machines were offered the Feb. 2020 Malicious Software Removal Tool today. A bit of a surprise: I had expected continued Windows Defender virus definitions, but not the MRT.

       

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    • #2138984 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      I am confused about the situation with Windows 7 “black wall paper” problem. Has a fix been issue by MS? If it has, is it a new SO patch or a separate patch? If there is a patch out, any known problems for the PC version (NOT the server)

      I am looking forward to installing the final patches ever, and then be done with patching “Windows any number” once and for all. So I’ll really appreciate some information that should help me see this through.

      Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W + Mac&Lx

    • #2139011 Reply

      280park
      AskWoody Plus

      All my Windows 7 machines were offered the Feb. 2020 Malicious Software Removal Tool today. A bit of a surprise: I had expected continued Windows Defender virus definitions, but not the MRT.

      My Windows 7 laptops also were offered the February MSRT.

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      • #2139220 Reply

        anonymous

        The MRST continued to be available for XP through Windows Update for a few months after the main XP updates ended.

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    • #2139105 Reply

      CBA
      AskWoody Plus

      Don’t want to double-post, but, following SB’s heads-up for W7 ESU license holders, I installed the lot (ahead of travel): https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/patch-lady-windows-7-esu-last-minute-requirement/#post-2139053

    • #2139136 Reply

      Average-Jane
      AskWoody Plus

      Yesterday evening my personal laptop (1903) did the ‘check for updates’ around 7pm and several updates, including the February Cumulative update, were available to download.  They didn’t start downloading immediately after the check (metered connection is not on).  I wish I had written down the exact KB numbers, because after a little while the updates were gone.  They were not in the download list, and they hadn’t been installed, and my laptop had not rebooted.  And Windows was saying that the last ‘check for updates’ was the one it had performed just shy of 7pm, but that I was ‘up to date’.  I know better than to hit that Check For Updates button hunting this down, but has this happened before? The Patch Tuesday updates just… vanishing?

      My work PC did the check earlier this morning but installed only KB4537759 (Security Update for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 10 1903 64-bit versions) and hasn’t squawked for a reboot.  So the Cumulative Update was not pushed down this PC’s pipe either.  The staggered release of updates I have seen before, but not the above with my personal laptop.

      • #2139286 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        If you’re running Win10 1903 or 1909, you don’t need to worry about the “Check for updates” link any more. Microsoft took the fangs out of it.

        BUT.

        There’s no reason to install the February patches just yet. None at all.

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        • #2139379 Reply

          Tex265
          AskWoody Plus

          If you’re running Win10 1903 or 1909, you don’t need to worry about the “Check for updates” link any more. Microsoft took the fangs out of it.

          I asked about this a while back, but never received a definitive answer.

          So can we feel free to utilize the “Check for updates” link with ver 1903 and 1909 vs having to wait for MS to run the Windows Updater?  eg: Feb Rollup came out and Group Policy setting 2 displayed updates but does not install; use wushowhide to hide select updates. Windows will not hide the selected updates until it runs again on its schedule, usually the next day.

          Can we now feel free to utilize the “Check for updates” link/button to force Windows to update and hide those selected updates immediately?

          Will that action also download and install ver 1909?  Or, will ver 1909 Feature Update appear but under the new install when you are ready link?

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          • #2139672 Reply

            KYKaren
            AskWoody Plus

            Windows will not hide the selected updates until it runs again on its schedule, usually the next day.

            Are you sure about this? When I use wushowhide to hide selected updates, it hides updates that had been heretofore already in the queue. I can then go back and initiate wushowhide again and it will show me the updates that are now hidden. So, this leads me to believe that they are hidden, BEFORE Windows Updates runs again on its schedule (which I have learned is 22 hours after the last time WU checked on its own).

            Or is this a list of updates that wushowhide plans to hide after WU runs again?

            I do know, though, that unhidden updates will not appear in the queue until WU runs again on its schedule. In other words, wushowhide had hidden them in order that they won’t appear (with a “Download” button, since the Group Policy Editor’s setting for Automatic Windows Updates is #2 “Notify download/install”) and unhiding them won’t make them appear on the Windows Update screen (with a “Download”button) until the next time WU checks on its own.

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            • #2139786 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              wushowhide IS NOT Windows Update. See AKB2000013.

            • #2139932 Reply

              Tex265
              AskWoody Plus

              Are you sure about this? When I use wushowhide to hide selected updates, it hides updates that had been heretofore already in the queue. I can then go back and initiate wushowhide again and it will show me the updates that are now hidden. So, this leads me to believe that they are hidden, BEFORE Windows Updates runs again on its schedule (which I have learned is 22 hours after the last time WU checked on its own).

              I agree with your observations, but after all that (at least on my system) even though your selected updates show as hidden in wushowhide, they still appear on the Windows Update screen also.  I learned the hard way that as long as they still appear on the WU screen, they will download and install if you hit the Download button.  So you have to wait until they also no longer appear on the WU screen – which will be after the next time WU automatically checks.  Then the Download button will only download and install what the WU screen shows.  (the 22 hours is an approx and can vary several hours or more one way or the other).

              I do know, though, that unhidden updates will not appear in the queue until WU runs again on its schedule. In other words, wushowhide had hidden them in order that they won’t appear (with a “Download” button, since the Group Policy Editor’s setting for Automatic Windows Updates is #2 “Notify download/install”) and unhiding them won’t make them appear on the Windows Update screen (with a “Download”button) until the next time WU checks on its own.

              Correct.  Hiding updates basically works the same way as unhiding per above.

              In the past pressing the Check for Updates button not only checked for updates but automatically installed them including an pending Feature updates so the button was rather useless.  Per Woody’s comment that action was reportedly changed with versions 1903 and 1909, but I have not seen confirmation that pressing the Check for Updates button will “refresh” the update queue after utilizing wushowhide as discussed.

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        • #2139396 Reply

          Average-Jane
          AskWoody Plus

          It’s good to know that the “Check for Updates” in 1903/1909 isn’t a firework, but I’ll stick to once-burned-twice-shy.  I am confused that the automatic Check it performed initially came up with the updates but then all mention of them disappeared.  Microsoft hasn’t pulled those patches, so it warrants a raised eyebrow.  That said I consider it a blessing for now.  Pause button is my friend.

    • #2139138 Reply

      Jan-E
      AskWoody Lounger

      KB4532693 does not install here on a Thinkpad X220 i7 with Windows 10 1909. Errorcode 0x8007010b. Its predecessor KB4532695 had the same issue. It installs, but when rebooting it stops at 7%, says it could not complete the update and reverts to the previous state.

      This happens with the automatic installation and also on a manual installation, using the Update Catalog.

    • #2139160 Reply

      CraigS26
      AskWoody Plus

      1909 … Images at Ready I installed the Feb SSU, CU, MSRT, and Adobe Flash Upgrade — and Search has Never failed to Work.

      New HP (ethernet) 1709 Desktop  in Feb ’19, and W10 so far Is the best OS I’ve ever used (SSD/HDD combo helps). With Images for WU never used , I haven’t delayed a WU / Ver Upgrade yet.

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    • #2139264 Reply

      TheOwner
      AskWoody Lounger

      For me no SSU for WIN 7 come, problably only ESU users gets this one.

      • #2139265 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        If you are not ESU, you should see MSRT, Office if you have an msi version that is supported. No more Windows Updates.

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        • #2139276 Reply

          TheOwner
          AskWoody Lounger

          So that SSU is only for ESU?

          • #2139284 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            That’s correct. No more Windows Updates unless you have an ESU subscription.

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    • #2139287 Reply

      anonymous

      Anyone seeing issues w/ KB4524244 and the HP SureStart BIOS?

      It locked a HP 735 G5 & 735 G6 laptops of ours when trying to install. Had to manually power off. On the reboot, my Secure Boot flagged me that the keys were corrupted. I was able to get those repaired and reboot into the system. Still unable to install patch even with SureStart ‘disabled’.

    • #2139324 Reply

      anonymous

      I am on Win 10 1909 Home, and I got the MSRT, the Flash update and the cumulative update KB 4532693. The cumulative update installed twice and overall it took about 45 minutes for it to download and install.

      I did not get the KB 4524244 update, so does this mean I’m not affected by the UEFI  or vulnerability or is something I need to install manually?

      With the other updates, so far not seeing any problems or issues.

      • #2139347 Reply

        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Check your Windows Update queue again. KB4524244 doesn’t show until everything else is gone.

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        • #2139380 Reply

          anonymous

          Thanks. I had to click check for updates, and then got the update.

    • #2139407 Reply

      Berserker79
      AskWoody Lounger

      Mistakenly posted as ‘anonymous’ earlier on, but it seems that that post disappeared along the way, so I’m giving it a second try… 🙂

      Windows 10 1809 Home here. Just reporting that in addition to the 2020-02 CU (KB4532691) I’m also offered the following:
      – KB4524244 (the “UEFI” patch);
      – KB4537759 – 2020-02 Security update for Adobe Flash Player Windows 10 1809;
      – KB4538122 – 2020-02 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.7.2 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 1809;
      – KB890830 – Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool February 2020.

      Not installing any of the above atm.

      Also, as of today I haven’t been “offered” a forced Feature update from 1809 to 1909 or 1903, but I’m offered the optional 1909 Feature update (no optional 1903 Feature update so far, but last month it showed up several days after Patch Tuesday).

    • #2139423 Reply

      CraigS26
      AskWoody Plus

      Check your Windows Update queue again. KB4524244 doesn’t show until everything else is gone.

      geekdom is absolutely Correct (for Me) about KB4524244 (the “UEFI” patch) NOT showing UNLESS you Check for Updates again AFTER all other Updates have Inst’d. Would have missed it & Thanks again! Took 3 seconds to load and no typical install steps occurred after that.

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    • #2139475 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      Is anyone having difficulties like this?
      https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cumulative-updates-february-11th-2020/548d4ded-39a1-4270-a866-627ea7c25de6

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      • #2139486 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Wuh?

        [After installing the 1903? 1909? February cumulative update] all custom icons missing, background returned to windows logo, would not recognise my logon, set a temp logon.

        I had to uninstall the latest updates to return to previous good operation and display

        Scary.

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        • #2140250 Reply

          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          When a user profile disappears after installing a Microsoft patch and a temporary profile appears in its place, that’s scary.

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          • #2140258 Reply

            OscarCP
            AskWoody Plus

            Geekdom: Scary, maybe. An irritating waste of time, for sure. I had this problem last year. I fixed it, after trying several other approaches, by using msconfig to get to the services and also to the programs that run at start up and disabling most of those not from MS, or Intel, or HP (my PC’s OEM), or the ones I was sure were OK and better left alone. Then things got back to normal. Of course, that was then and this is now.

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    • #2139477 Reply

      holsh
      AskWoody Lounger

      Has anyone actually successfully activated an offline 2008 r2 server? We tried phone activation and it did not work. We are opening a premiere case currently but was just wondering.

    • #2139609 Reply

      mledman
      AskWoody Plus

      Installed February updates.  Now at Version 1909 (OS Build 18363.657.

      File explorer “search, right click, paste” works for me.  KB 4524244 installed.

      No Observed problems.

      Win 10 home - 1909
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    • #2139807 Reply

      r1ma
      AskWoody Lounger

      If you’re running Win10 1903 or 1909, you don’t need to worry about the “Check for updates” link any more. Microsoft took the fangs out of it.

      BUT.

      There’s no reason to install the February patches just yet. None at all.

      What mean “Microsoft took the fangs out of it.”?

       

      • #2139994 Reply

        Tex265

        Also see my questions at #2139379 dated 2/12/20 in this post above.

      • #2140130 Reply

        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Maybe @woody means the pause updates option?

        clicking “Check for updates” still check/prepare/download pending updates even in 1903/1909

        • #2140145 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          clicking “Check for updates” still check/prepare/download pending updates even in 1903/1909

          But not feature updates:

          Download and install now option provides users a separate control to initiate the installation of a feature update on eligible devices with no known key blocking compatibility issues. Users can still “Check for updates” to get monthly quality and security updates. Windows will automatically initiate a new feature update if the version of Windows 10 is nearing end of support. We may notify you when a feature update is available and ready for your machine. All Windows 10 devices with a supported version will continue to automatically receive the monthly updates. This new “download and install” option will also be available for our most popular versions of Windows 10, versions 1803 and 1809, by late May [2019].
          New features that put customers more in control of updates

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    • #2140149 Reply

      anonymous

      Someone said that now in 1903 or 1909 check for updates no longer automatically installs optional updates, the D week preview updates.  Check for updates unless you are at end of life also no longer installs feature updates.  It will offer them, but they will have a download button.   Preview updates never include security patches.  Without the temptation of security, unless you were using them as previews before a larger deployment most people would not want them.

      • #2140168 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        You have some facts right but not others. Please read AKB2000016 about Updating.

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        • #2140201 Reply

          Win7and10
          AskWoody Lounger

          I thank PKCANO for explaining and writing the article noted above.
          What is a concern is that when you pause the updates they come down after the pause is over
          I never CHECK for updates.
          In version 1909, what I thought would happen is that after the pause they would populate and then I could choose and WUSHOWHIDE those I didn’t want.
          Evidently, this is not true and disappointing.
          Correct me if I am wrong and it would make me happy!
          What I thought about doing was check for updates and remove the pause if this is possible.
          Now I am not sure I can do this once this is paused.
          For a home user that is tech savvy, it is a pain to say the least.
          Venting….sigh….

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    • #2140280 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      Under patching failure circumstances, is a change from MS-DEFCON 2 to MS-DEFCON 1 warranted?

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      Win7and10
      AskWoody Lounger

      Question:

      For Win 10 1909 I paused the January updates, and now it’s February.
      The pause is up on 2/17/20.
      What happens on 2/17/20?
      Will all the January updates and February updates install?

      Thanks!

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      • #2140503 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The Jan Cumulative update will probably be superseded by the Feb CU.
        The updates will download/install, but you may have some other options to help prevent that.
        If you did not use all 35 days of the pause, you may be able to extend the pause another 7 days by clicking on “Pause” again.
        If you turn on Metered Connections in Settings\Network, there is a good chance you can buy a little more time, as the big updates are not supposed to download over metered connections.

        There is additional information on Win10 Update in AKB2000016.

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        • #2140527 Reply

          Win7and10
          AskWoody Lounger

          Thanks, I have read your article and wish WIN 10 was as simple as WIN 7.
          I’ll let you know the outcome!

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        • #2141610 Reply

          Win7and10
          AskWoody Lounger

          I charged on and installed after the pause. PKCANO was correct in stating the January updates were superceded by the February ones. Down the chute they came including some HP updates. I tried to hide them and wushowhide said it did, however, they were not hidden and installed anyway.

          I find Win 10 very challenging as I do not have control like Win 7. I may try not to pause for March and then try to hide without them installing once they appear on their own in checked for updates. One they download, you have no choice. I’m learning.

          I have to read the article that PKCANO wrote again. It will click with me.

          Also I don’t like the way updates are listed once installed. Security should be security, why are they called quality? I’m learning.

          Thanks for listening!

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          • #2141746 Reply

            KYKaren
            AskWoody Plus

            Hey, I am 100% with you. It’s been a hard road converting from Win7 to Win10. Like you, I thought PAUSE would do the trick, but I, too, was down the chute before I knew what I was doing, jettisoned into v 1909.

            Once you get the hang of PKCano’s steps at AKB2000016 and at AKB2000013, you will have greater control over Window Updates. He will help you out, if you get lost in working through them. You will end up with more control, even better than you get in Win7.

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          • #2141806 Reply

            Cybertooth
            AskWoody Plus

            I find Win 10 very challenging as I do not have control like Win 7.

            This caught my eye. For better control of Windows 10 and an overall experience closer to that of Windows 7, you might like to check out this topic here.

    • #2140823 Reply

      JCCWsusser
      AskWoody Plus

      Microsoft has released patches for every version of Win10 (except version 1511), back to the original 1507, whether they’re supported or not.

      I have to wonder whether this is really true. Every version except 1511 has an edition or application where it is still supported. 1507 and 1607 have LTSBs. 1703 is still supported on Surface Hub and 1709 hasn’t expired for Enterprise yet. So can anyone confirm that a non-Hub 1703 or a Home/Pro 1709 gets patched?

    • #2140841 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      Try Microsoft’s Search Product Lifecycle page:
      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search

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      DrBonzo
      AskWoody Plus

      KB4524244 and KB4502496 were removed sometime on 2/14 according to their support pages. Both have to do with UEFI patches, the first basically for Win 10 versions and the second for Win 8.1 (and others). The pages also say they will not be re-offered and that new versions of patches are being developed.

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      • #2141024 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The two patches seem to be no longer offered in the catalog, but KB4502496 is still showing up in the WU queue on my Win8.1 machines after checking for updates this morning (Feb 15, 5:00am UTC -6).

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        • #2141035 Reply

          DrBonzo
          AskWoody Plus

          I noticed at about 4 am server time that KB 4502496 had gone missing from WU on my 8.1 machine. I don’t have any Win 10 computers (and hopefully never will), but out of curiousity I checked the support page for KB4524244 where it said the patch had been removed.

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    • #2153190 Reply

      PKCano
      Da Boss

      I updated my test 1809 machine – the only patch offered was 2020-02 Cumulative Update KB4532691 which updated without any problem. But strange. Where are the rest of the Feb. patches (.NET, Flash, and MSRT)?
      After the reboot, I ran wushowhide to see if they were available.

      And yes, they were, along with the infamous “Let us help you get upgraded” patch KB4023057 this time dated 2019-12 so evidently it’s been updated since the last time I hid it.
      I had to clear the update queue to get rid of it so I could safely download and install the other three patches.

      Those of you wondering what AKB2000013 is for, here’s the example.

      UPDATE: I had updated the v1809 in the Office of my Townhouse Association yesterday and KB4023057 wasn’t there. Only the 4 usual updates.
      Tonight, there it was in the queue – lucky to have “2” notify download/install set!

      Anyone still running 1809 be warned! Watch out for KB4023057.
      Looks like MS is getting ready to obliterate v1809 – Force 1909.

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      • #2153249 Reply

        KYKaren
        AskWoody Plus

        so I could safely download and install the other three patches.

        And you downloaded the February patches, although MS-DEFCON is still 2??

        Or does the version a device is running make a difference? I ask because my devices are running 1909, but still hidden are the Feb CU, which for 1909 is KB4532693, and Flash, which for 1909 is KB4537759. (But installed are the February .NET and MSRT)

        For mine also: Group Policy Editor>Automatic Window Updates = #2 Notify download/install

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        • #2153381 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I updated my test 1809 machine

          This is my TEST VM, it is NOT my every-day production machine. I can afford to experiment. That is all it’s used for.

          The Office machine is a different story. It is a business computer that is under time constraints for updating.
          I would not recommend updating consumer/personal computers at this time. We are still on DEFCON-2, and most people can’t afford to lose their daily driver.

    • #2153425 Reply

      r1ma
      AskWoody Lounger

      Yesterday, I resumed the updates. And installed the kb4532693 with no issues.

      2020-02-19_1-32-22

       

      I also talked with a geek friend of mine and he said:

      Actually, I did install both this update and the other problematic one (that you mentioned in your earlier email), but didn’t have any issues on any of my machines. I guess this must depend on hardware or some other factor? Anyway, another good reason to have backups.

       

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        AskWoody Plus

        Actually, I did install both this update and the other problematic one (that you mentioned in your earlier email), but didn’t have any issues on any of my machines. I guess this must depend on hardware or some other factor? Anyway, another good reason to have backups.

        Reasons for failure have not yet been disclosed nor verified; there are, however, known and unresolved problems.

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