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      • #2271224 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        I had a chance to go back over the evidence, and it sure looks to me like some folks are getting upgraded from Win10 1903 and 1909 Home and Pro to Win
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      • #2271239 Reply
        Brocktoon
        AskWoody Lounger

        Is Microsoft paying attention?  Old news, but from their own blog

        https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2020/05/27/how-to-get-the-windows-10-may-2020-update/

        Beginning today, the May 2020 Update is available for customers who would like to install this latest release. If you are ready to install the update, open your Windows Update settings (Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update) and select Check for updates. Once the update appears, you can select Download and install. (Note: You may not see Download and install on your device as we are slowly throttling up this availability over the coming weeks, or your device might have a compatibility issue for which a safeguard hold is in place until we are confident that you will have a good update experience.) Once the download is complete and the update is ready to install, we’ll notify you so that you can pick the right time to finish the installation and reboot your device, ensuring the update does not disrupt your activities. This new “Download and install” capability is available for devices running Windows 10, version 1903 or version 1909.

        • #2271256 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          That’s the original promise…. and it’s a great change from the old “push the button and see if it explodes” approach.

      • #2271310 Reply
        Barry
        AskWoody Plus

        Woody maybe i am wrong but i thought that was the way its supposed to work. You basically have 3 options now

        Use the pause option and whenever the pause ends it would automatically install all updates

        Never hit check for updates and you will never get updates

        Or like me always install all updates as soon as they are available

        I dont use it and i know in reading about it it was very confusing but that was my impression. Not saying its good or bad just the way i thought it was supposed to work.

         

        Barry
        Windows 10 Home V 2004

        • #2271354 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Microsoft has never rescinded the “Download and install” post. So I don’t think it’s supposed to work that way.

      • #2271317 Reply
        Kathy Stevens
        AskWoody Plus

        ZDNet has just posted Windows 10 2004 rollout: We’re slowly throttling up availability, says Microsoft – Still haven’t been offered Windows 10 version 2004? It might be coming soon to your PC. At  https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-2004-rollout-were-slowly-throttling-up-availability-says-microsoft/

        It provides a little more insight as to what is going on with Windows 10 2004.

      • #2271342 Reply
        John
        AskWoody Lounger

        I noticed too the Windows Media creation tool now is on 2004 and not 1909 version.

        • #2271442 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          I noticed too the Windows Media creation tool now is on 2004 and not 1909 version.

          MCT switched to 2004 since May 27.
          If you need 1909 (or any other version of Windows 10/Windows 7/Office) use Heidoc.net tool.

      • #2271374 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Updated while pc was on sleep, woke up to find that my computer restarted, all unsaved work was gone and yes, the new Edge was installed and ready to give me a tour and tell me why it’s the best browser in the world.

        Also I’m just curious why would the update Edge on my pc when “receive updates for other microsoft products” was disabled???

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      • #2271392 Reply
        bertnuctn
        AskWoody Plus

        We have 2 desktops & 3 laptops. On both desktops & 1 laptop the first sign of having updated to 2004 was the restart button. All are on 1909. I have not booted the other 2 notebooks yet. The only problem encountered so far is having to reinstall scanner software. We didn’t get the download & install button.

      • #2271414 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Resuming updates from a paused state did not install 2004 on a 1903 desktop that I updated last Saturday.

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      • #2271659 Reply
        mledman
        AskWoody Plus

        After OS was updated to 1909 build 18363.900, pause updates was set (10 June) and allowed to expire (11 June).  2004 was not offered or installed.  Windows update displays “You’re up to date”

        Win 10 home - 2004
        Attitude is a choice...Choose wisely

      • #2271825 Reply
        schwabel_ronald
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m on 1909 after installing the May 2020 updates during the time when you had the DefCon set to 4 in early June.  I have updates paused until 7/6/2020.  I also have Feature Updates set for a 129 day delay and Quality updates set for 30 to add a little more safety.  When I checked the Windows Update page today I noticed that it automatically started checking for updates.  However, the little ‘pausing updates’ symbol was still showing on the updates icon.   See attached screen shot.

        Windows-update-paused-checking-for-updates

        I was a little nervous, but when the updating animation stopped it went back to normal and didn’t actually try to give me either the June Patch Tuesday updates or the dreaded May 2004 version.

        Is is possible that I was saved by having the other delays set in addition to just pausing updates?

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        • #2271828 Reply
          Brocktoon
          AskWoody Lounger

          From you screenshot, I think you may have been saved due to you device not being compatible.  If not for that, I wonder if you would have been auto-upgraded.

      • #2272339 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I was offered v2004 om May 29. Because I have preparations I need to find time to do before installing this Feature Update I set Pause updates to July 7.

        This weekend I saw posts on WindowsTenForums saying that this Feature Update would not install automatically, that you had to choose to install the update before it would start. So I figured I’d stop pausing updates since I knew there was a CU KB4560960 available and I figured I could install it, without installing 2004.

        Today I did the deed. The minute I hit “Resume Updates” the 2004 Feature update began downloading (even though I have my Network settings on Metered Connection, and Don’t Download Updates on a Metered Connection set.)

        I really can’t install this thing right now so I immediately shut down and on startup reset WU to Pause Updates – this time to July 17.

        So technically I did not have the 2004 Feature Update forced on me, but it would have if I let it go.

        W10 1909. Desktop, 17-9700K, Asus Prime Z390-A, M.2 Nvme 500GB, 16GB RAM

         

      • #2272360 Reply
        arbrich
        AskWoody Plus

        Some of my machines are offering the Download and install 2004 when you are ready.

        However one of my Windows 10 Pro machines went ahead an downloaded and updated to 2004 without asking and when I went to check my updates there it was sitting there asking to Restart to finish the install.

        This is a Pro machine NOT Home !!

        My bad for not pausing updates but I think it is Criminal for them to force this stuff on people when it is just released especially if yo have Windows 10 Pro.

        We are all their Beta testers and they simply do not care any more.

        • #2272361 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Desktop i7-9700K here

          Yes, mine is Windows 10 Pro also. That could be the link.

      • #2272397 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        This is a Pro machine NOT Home !!

        It seems that only Pro machines “suffer” from the auto 2004 updates.

      • #2272412 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I reported my particular “forced update” experience on a different thread here on the site, but, yeah, mine was Pro too

      • #2272769 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        2 Windows Home laptops, both Updates paused till June 16th; yesterday (15th) on both I pressed Resume updates. They installed the June updates; 2004 did not show up at all (yet).

        ~Annemarie

      • #2273240 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Omg. I’m still working on July 2019 invoices because an update snuck in & ate up my excel sheet. Then over 30 on-board Ms techs killed it. I’ve clean installed, and am almost there. I used everything -powershell, update page deferrals. Yesterday, all choices grayed out. Today, turned on & it began downloading. I killed its service-6 times til it finally died. Now I’m starving (no income) and waiting for Microsoft to inject its poison.

        Susan

      • #2273559 Reply
        Brocktoon
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m running Win10 1909 HOME … after the May updates I had updates paused until 6/28.  I had some free time today, so I backed up my important files and decided to ‘resume’ updates.

        After pressing ‘resume’ I was offered the June Cumulative, Adobe Flash update, a driver update AND the OPTION to ‘download and install’ 2004.

        2004 was not forced on my Home system.  I’m now running v18363.900.  Windows update is now un-paused with the feature update still available as a ‘download and install’ option.  I’m not going to risk the ‘check for updates’ button … I’ll just let WU run when it wants.

        This does seem to be another piece of evidence showing Win 10 HOME users may be safe, and that the forced download bug may be inherent in PRO versions

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      • #2275152 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Luckily, this new introduced policy in v2004 is very worthy, specially since it works for versions 1803 and later

        following this article by Ed
        Changed to Feature Updates in Windows 10 v2004

        and this by Microsoft
        Optimize on-premises monthly update delivery using the cloud

        For devices on Windows 10, version 1803 or greater:
        If you need your devices to remain on their current feature update beyond when deferrals would allow or until the current OS version reaches end of service, then you should specify a specific version for the device to stay on until end of service or until the policy is changed to a newer Windows 10 feature update.

        i tested this on 1803 Pro (build 17134.799), by adding the TargetReleaseVersionInfo registry values manually, without any deferrals
        and it worked great

        specifying 1809 gave me Feature update to Windows 10, version 1809 (17763.1282)
        specifying 1909 gave me Feature update to Windows 10, version 1909 (18363.900)
        specifying 1803 gave me Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 (17134.1345) – and no feature update

        it’s basically a Feature Update chooser/nuker

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        • #2275291 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Where does the TargetReleaseVersionInfo entry go in the Registry?

          Is it a String value?

          • #2275294 Reply
            woody
            Da Boss

            I think I found it (on Ed’s Blogue):

            [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\

            Windows\WindowsUpdate]

            “TargetReleaseVersion”=dword:00000001
            “TargetReleaseVersionInfo”=”2004”

            • This reply was modified 1 week, 1 day ago by woody.
            • This reply was modified 1 week, 1 day ago by woody.
            • #2275339 Reply
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              Precisely where does what go into the registry to set the version in stone?

              G{ot backup} TestBeta
              offline▸ Win7Pro SP1 x64 Storage
              online▸ Win10Pro 1909.18363.900 x64 i5-9400 RAM8GB HDD Firefox79.0b3 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}
          • #2275347 Reply
            abbodi86
            AskWoody_MVP

            It’s easier to add the values via command prompt (as administrator)

            reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate /f /v TargetReleaseVersion /t REG_DWORD /d 1

            reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate /f /v TargetReleaseVersionInfo /t REG_SZ /d 1809

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            • #2275819 Reply
              KYKaren
              AskWoody Plus

              reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate /f /v TargetReleaseVersion /t REG_DWORD /d 1

              I understand the second command specifies the version to stay on, but what is the purpose of the first command?

              Offline: Win7Pro ∙ SP1 ∙ x64
              Online: Win10Pro ∙ 1909.18363 ∙ x64 ∙ i7-6500U ∙ RAM 12GB ∙ SSD ∙ Firefox ∙ McAfee Internet Security ∙ Windows Defender
              Online: Win10Pro ∙ 1909.18363 ∙ x64 ∙ i7-8565U ∙ RAM 16GB ∙ SSD ∙ Firefox ∙ McAfee Internet Security ∙ Windows Defender

              • #2275824 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                The first TargetReleaseVersion says that key is either on (1) or off (0) (in use or not)
                The second one gives the version targeted.

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        • #2275355 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Is this ability to choose a version only effective for Windows 10 Pro?

          • #2275411 Reply
            woody
            Da Boss

            Pro, Education and Enterprise

            • #2275773 Reply
              anonymous
              Guest

              Because another person asked elsewhere whether these version selection keys would work on a Windows 10 Home installation I added the registry entries as an experiment.

              I’ll follow up with a yes or no if Microsoft still tries to push a different version of Windows.

            • #2275924 Reply
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              Also testing on my 2 W10 Home machines.

              cheers, Paul

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