• Genealogy Software

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    It seems the market for such software is fraught with worthless tools. I am looking for something specific: software that will allow me to enter this information, and then search the web for matches. Periodically, I’d like to export the data for use in other media.

    I have tried Visio, and I think it could be a powerful tool, but I do not have the time or inclination to write a standalone Visio application to do this. Oh, and if there are Visio shapes out there for this purpose…I could not find them.

    I tried Family Tree Maker and found it clunky at best. Not a pretty user interface, I can say that too. Anyone have suggestions on how to manage the information that will come of my genealogy project?

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    • #879853

      There are a few mentioned here Mark, but I can’t comment on their quality. I have heard about the “GED” format for such data, but also don’t know details.

      It’s struck me before that heirarchical class structure diagramming software would do this sort of job quite well – not for Java or VB, but for a language like C++ that supports true multiple inheritance. The representation of a family tree must be virtually identical, in principle at least – you even have parents and children in some nomenclatures!

      Alan

      Edited – Just fumbled on a little version of your user pic:
      Maybe you could use it to initial your edits. rofl rofl

      • #880076

        Legacy Family Tree has a free download which has over 90% of the full package. http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/DownloadLegacy.asp%5B/url%5D will require a email address so you can be sent a password. They will NOT use the email address for anything else.

        Legacy is a very good program. I use Legacy, Family Tree Maker 2005, and PAF. My main database is in FTM since I have been using it since version 2 from the DOS days.

        Both Legacy and FTM will search the internet. As for exporting, the use of a GEDCOM file and other tools, you should be able to generate most any report and or file. These programs both have a lot of different reports that can be generated, with out the use of a GEDCOM file.

        What is it that you want to do?

        DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
        Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

        • #1175020

          Legacy Family Tree has a free download which has over 90% of the full package. http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/DownloadLegacy.asp%5B/url%5D will require a email address so you can be sent a password. They will NOT use the email address for anything else.

          Legacy is a very good program. I use Legacy, Family Tree Maker 2005, and PAF. My main database is in FTM since I have been using it since version 2 from the DOS days.

          Both Legacy and FTM will search the internet. As for exporting, the use of a GEDCOM file and other tools, you should be able to generate most any report and or file. These programs both have a lot of different reports that can be generated, with out the use of a GEDCOM file.

          What is it that you want to do?

          Hi Dave

          I’ve just found a wealth of genealogy information which has made me interested in creating my own family tree.

          Does your advice from five years ago still apply?

          I would like:
          . Something easy and intuitive to use and display
          . To be able to record notes
          . Something free or low cost
          . The ability to create GED files

          Thanks

          Geoff

          • #1175055

            Hi Dave

            I’ve just found a wealth of genealogy information which has made me interested in creating my own family tree.

            Does your advice from five years ago still apply?

            I would like:
            . Something easy and intuitive to use and display
            . To be able to record notes
            . Something free or low cost
            . The ability to create GED files

            Thanks

            Geoff

            Funny you should ask, I have been using Family Tree Maker for a long time. I just received version 2010 and it is a great version.

            Check out http://store.ancestry.com/index.aspx?p=4751 and it is list for about $40.00 US from the website, but it should be hitting the local shelves soon, here in the States. I am not sure when it will hit accross the Big Ponds.

            Yew, Legacy is still a good product, but I like FTM much better. But that may be, because I have been using is for so long.

            Legacy can be downloaded FREE from http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Download.asp but it will not do some items which I can not remember what they are. The “Deluxe” version is also $40.00

            Also what Surnames, locations and date will you be searching?
            I may be able to guide in so helpful directions on the “Net”.

            DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
            Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

            • #1175070

              Do any of these pieces of software have the option of creating a web page?

              Actually, I’m thinking more of a shared web space where family members could share information.

            • #1175218

              Funny you should ask, I have been using Family Tree Maker for a long time. I just received version 2010 and it is a great version.

              Check out http://store.ancestry.com/index.aspx?p=4751 and it is list for about $40.00 US from the website, but it should be hitting the local shelves soon, here in the States. I am not sure when it will hit accross the Big Ponds.

              Yew, Legacy is still a good product, but I like FTM much better. But that may be, because I have been using is for so long.

              Legacy can be downloaded FREE from http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Download.asp but it will not do some items which I can not remember what they are. The “Deluxe” version is also $40.00

              Also what Surnames, locations and date will you be searching?
              I may be able to guide in so helpful directions on the “Net”.

              Thanks Dave

              This has only just started in the last few days. I have been investigating stuff many years ago, but I only had paper records. Well, stuff people had written down.

              I had heard stories about family histories but just vaguely.

              I was prompted several days ago to log into an English/Australian genealogy website, genesreunited.com.au – I punched in my name and DOB, and to my surprise, I found some matches from people with family trees.

              One was a cousin I had not seen for many years. I didn’t even know her married name.

              The other was a third cousin, once removed- I hope not forcibly.

              The information was superb. I really lucked out.

              Yes, the information from one person (a dedicated amateur with about 400 entries) on one branch of the family drew extensively on the resources of a dedicated genealogist- with 25,000 entries on rootsweb.

              But there was complementary and helpful information from both sources.

              And obviously different people will follow different branches- so there is information to be gained from all.

              The website (http://www.genesreunited.com.au but with UK affiliations) does have good recording facilities, fair charting if you don’t have too many levels, and some good connections to other Australian and UK researchers and historical records.

              It costs about $AU20 for 6 months. About UD15.

              I’ve downloaded the free version of Legacy Family Tree. But I have two problems when I try to export from the website to LFT.

              The date of birth doesn’t translate correctly. That may be a problem with the website. There are two entries on the website for DOB- Year, and complete DOB (in free format). Either the exporting or importing program has problems.

              I can probably get around those problems somehow.

              But, more seriously, the free version cannot show more than 4 generations back. When I have been given the gift of six generations++ in one go, it doesn’t cut it.

              I would pay if I knew that I would get the results I wanted.

              If FTM had a free version I could experiment with it would be good.

              Dave, I found Rootsweb, in my initial experiments, a little difficult to find non US information. Even though I know that there is a huge amount of info which has been uploaded from one particular source with non US information related to my family. I just didn’t know how to use the search properly.

    • #879854

      There are a few mentioned here Mark, but I can’t comment on their quality. I have heard about the “GED” format for such data, but also don’t know details.

      It’s struck me before that heirarchical class structure diagramming software would do this sort of job quite well – not for Java or VB, but for a language like C++ that supports true multiple inheritance. The representation of a family tree must be virtually identical, in principle at least – you even have parents and children in some nomenclatures!

      Alan

      Edited – Just fumbled on a little version of your user pic:
      Maybe you could use it to initial your edits. rofl rofl

    • #880292

      The NZ NetGuide recently had a writeup on genealogy tools. There might be something there for you. See:
      The ultimate family tree guide & Software

      It also provides a link to an explanation of the GED format.

    • #880293

      The NZ NetGuide recently had a writeup on genealogy tools. There might be something there for you. See:
      The ultimate family tree guide & Software

      It also provides a link to an explanation of the GED format.

    • #880911

      Heaps of thanks to everyone. I found Brother’s Keeper through Alan’s links, and a lot of very useful information from Cyndi’s List. Shamefully I confess that I had seen her website in the search results and had not bothered to look into it since I found the design amateurish. Just goes to show that arrogance begets ignorance. sad Cyndi’s site contains a lot of useful information for the patient amongst us.

      Again, thanks to everyone, I am well on my way to creating an HTML version of my family tree!

    • #880912

      Heaps of thanks to everyone. I found Brother’s Keeper through Alan’s links, and a lot of very useful information from Cyndi’s List. Shamefully I confess that I had seen her website in the search results and had not bothered to look into it since I found the design amateurish. Just goes to show that arrogance begets ignorance. sad Cyndi’s site contains a lot of useful information for the patient amongst us.

      Again, thanks to everyone, I am well on my way to creating an HTML version of my family tree!

    • #883167

      An update…

      I found a nice PHP based web app called PhpGedView that runs from a webserver and will import GEDCOM files. So far, I have only toyed with it, so I cannot speak to how easy it will be to customize its appearance for individual websites, but I am impressed with everything that I have seen. Between this and Family Tree Maker 2005, I think I have the tools I need. Now to find time for the research!

    • #883168

      An update…

      I found a nice PHP based web app called PhpGedView that runs from a webserver and will import GEDCOM files. So far, I have only toyed with it, so I cannot speak to how easy it will be to customize its appearance for individual websites, but I am impressed with everything that I have seen. Between this and Family Tree Maker 2005, I think I have the tools I need. Now to find time for the research!

    • #1175076

      Yes, they do, but there are better ways of sharing the “Data” and it would be privatized for you.
      Have a look at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ for a general look.
      If you were check out the following, which are my family and the second is the wife’s family.
      http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=abernathy
      http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=realing

      By posting to a site such as this, it will always be there and only you the Owner (if you remember your account and password) can update it and delete it. You can pass on these account information so some one can continue after you are no longer able to control your data. This service is FREE from Rootsweb, which is now owned by Ancestry.com. Other that search the World Connect data base, will be able to find any listing of NON living people listed in the data. This will help you make connections with others researching your same people.

      I have found a lot data, that was listed by others in many of MY side lines, that the others had in their side lines.

      DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
      Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

    • #1175231

      I think the 4 generations is set by the web page download. At least at Rootsweb, the author (owner) of the posted data can set as to if one is to be limited to 4 generations or all. I have found it is best to contact the database owner and ask for a complete GEDCOM. This would include the “living” as most are hidden or stripped for public viewing.

      Not only this, but you will have a new partner in this crime, to share your information with.

      I think if you were get Family Tree Maker you would get what you need. But get the 2010 version if you are going buy FTM.

      Rootsweb, once you have searched on a name, scroll down to the bottom of the page. There you will find a “Advance search area. You will be able to filter out data, by entering other “Known” information. I find a real good helper, is adding the spouse’s surname (if Known) will get me to a lot of information. Also the Place of death or birth will also help filter out a lot of information.

      DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
      Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

      • #1176875

        I think the 4 generations is set by the web page download. At least at Rootsweb, the author (owner) of the posted data can set as to if one is to be limited to 4 generations or all. I have found it is best to contact the database owner and ask for a complete GEDCOM. This would include the “living” as most are hidden or stripped for public viewing.

        Not only this, but you will have a new partner in this crime, to share your information with.

        I think if you were get Family Tree Maker you would get what you need. But get the 2010 version if you are going buy FTM.

        Rootsweb, once you have searched on a name, scroll down to the bottom of the page. There you will find a “Advance search area. You will be able to filter out data, by entering other “Known” information. I find a real good helper, is adding the spouse’s surname (if Known) will get me to a lot of information. Also the Place of death or birth will also help filter out a lot of information.

        Thanks for your help Dave. And I’m sorry for the time it’s taken to respond.

        The four generations was a restriction of the free version on Legacy.

        I did buy FTM but it was the 2009 edition. It is the Australian edition, with no word of the timing for 2010. The Oz edition has links to online Oz sites. I wanted to start doing stuff while it was still fresh and interesting.

        I did have some troubles with FTM stability. Some relatives caused it to crash every time. But that may have been to do with the GEDCOM downlaod. There were some discrepancies. Once I deleted a downloaded relative causing problems and reentered it worked OK.

        Some place names are not being validated. So, for instance, I have many ancestors from Cornwall. Many place names (especially for church events) are small parishes. The parishes I can locate in maps and in online records of place names. But they do not get validated. Especially where names are qualified- places like “St Stephens by Launceston” in Cornwall or “Lanteglos By Camelford” in Cornwall.

    • #1176922

      You are going to find that these “Places” are in today’s World and if it is not a fully “Legal” government run city, town or what ever and Microsoft Virtual Earth database is what being shown as correct. I have found that many of the Places at the time of the event were in fact true, but in today’s world they do not exist.

      Use this error bit with a grain of salt. Legacy has the same problem because they use Virtual Earth also. I use the words “County” in many locations and Virtual Earth does not like it to be included. Some of these events happened in the County and not the city, such as LA County, vs. LA the City. Also Virtual Earth likes to have the Country appended such as USA to the locations.

      We would consider a Church, Cemetery and etc as a place, but again Virtual Earth does not, so enter the Town, county and state (what ever that is used for that local) as the location, but then in the “Description” put the Name of the Church and etc. Also if you have a Place that is not Valid, but the name of a churchor what ever just right click and “Move to Description”, this will move ALL uses of that phrase to the description field.

      DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
      Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

    • #1176924

      I just went to Bing.com and use the Mapping that is there and used the “St Stephen’s, Launceston, Cornwall” and it is found.
      I think that the format that you use, is NOT found , but if you were to use this above format then it may be found.

      Try it out and if it works for you fine, but, I would NOT, I would just make sure the form that you want to use in OK, and then right click it and select “Ignore Place warning”. Virtual Earth is NOT always correct, because they do things the “America’s” way, which is not correct World wide.

      I do have 2009 on my laptop so I can go back to it a see what is happening for other questions about FTM 2009. Make sure that you check for updates as there have been some. My version is 18.0.0.307, but is the US version versus your version.

      DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
      Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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