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    Yep, once again. InfoWorld Woody on Windows
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    • #40161

      Knowing Microsoft, the “Upgrade to Win 10” window will keep popping up on your system all day long, and you will have to keep declining the upgrade each time.
      They will never let you win.

    • #40162


      I’m curious about when this new update-window will be in effect!

    • #40163

      From Terry Myerson at Microsoft..

      “If the red-x is selected on this new dialog, it will dismiss the dialog box and we will notify the device again in a few days.”

      This means if you say no today, they will continue to nag you every couple days instead.

      What are these people trying to do?

    • #40164

      I’m guessing it’ll come out today. But ya never know.

    • #40165

      ““If the red-x is selected on this new dialog, it will dismiss the dialog box and we will notify the device again in a few days.”

      When dismissing became the new Accept.

      How cavalier MSFT is about acknowledging that they had deliberately changed at least 50 YEAR OLD old user behavior to fool their user base.
      Shame on them and shame on Satya Nadella. Pardon my French.
      Windows nevermore.

    • #40166

      Well, at least since Windows 95….

    • #40167

      That is fair enough if there is also a permanent decline option, which the article by Troy Wolverton impied might be the case “the alerts will now offer users a clear choice to decline Windows 10”, i.e. never bug me again.

    • #40168

      I have a question in to Microsoft on that very point. We’ll see if they respond.

    • #40169

      A vote of YES on WinXit is a vote to leave the Microsoft dictatorship!

    • #40170

      The lady had to lose $18K to win a $10K judgment because she wasn’t savvy enough to block Microsoft’s intrusion herself. You can’t blame her, she isn’t in the computer business.

      What about those of us who ARE in the business and have had to bring our considerable education and experience to bear over tens and hundreds of hours to thwart the obvious threat and keep our businesses going?

      THAT’s not going to win any small claims court battles. Yet I’m quite sure I could have done something more productive with my time.


    • #40171

      I wonder how Microsoft’s British privacy policy will change without the EU requirements.

    • #40172

      You raise an interesting question: Can Americans sue for lost time in Small Claims court? I don’t know the answer. Perhaps someone reading does.

    • #40173

      Assuming what Myerson says is correct, you will only be able to decline the Win10 installation for ‘…a few days after which we will REMIND you again.’
      In reality Microsoft has not backed down at all.

      Although I have been using Josh Mayfields GWX nuclear shield, I recently decided to disable IE 11 on my Win 8.1 Pro Thinkpad because an “update to Win 10” screen never stops popping up now.
      MS has now achieved the level of blind hatred from its customers.

    • #40174

      In our litigious society people commence lawsuits for almost any cause. Whether such causes are legally actionable is a different issue. If someone wants to incur the small claims court filing costs to test the waters they are free to do so.

      Different jurisdictions and judges will produce different results so generalization is probably pointless.

    • #40175

      I did.

    • #40176

      It’s not possible to spend hundreds of hours declining free upgrades.

    • #40177

      Averting the run of GWX on a fully updated machine is NOT all there is.

      I can tell you from personal experience that it HAS taken hundreds of hours to harden an entire small business against infiltration by Microsoft, when their behavior in one quarter (e.g., pushing GWX) made everyone realize that they can no longer trust Microsoft. These activities include, among others:

      – Having to read and research every single entry in Windows Update multiple times per month for a year, and develop an update blacklist on Windows 7 and 8 systems to keep Microsoft from sneaking something else in.

      – Having to take on additional risk once it was deemed too problematic to accept any updates at all.

      – Reading and research much in order to learn what actually needs protecting (and finding it’s more than was originally thought).

      – Evaluating, in tightly controlled test environments, various tools (such as O&O ShutUp10, GWX Control Panel, W10Privacy, SpyBot AntiBeacon, Aegis, various firewall packages; the list goes on). And having to obtain the tools with which to do such evaluations (such as virtualization software).

      – Purchasing and configuring deny-by-default firewall and DNS server subsystems to be able to determine and limit what the OS is doing online.

      You could make an argument that becoming more savvy about protecting a business from the operating systems it’s running is a value-adding proposition – after all the employees are getting smarter about security, right? But I don’t necessarily agree if the business is not focused on the security market.

      Without this HUGE distraction, what productive things could the people at that business have done to make their own products better? What space in the brains of the engineers and managers could be used to make better decisions if they didn’t have to worry constantly and regularly whether Microsoft is going to screw them for wanting their Win 7 and 8.1 systems to remain available to do real work?

      Breaking a long-standing trust is NOT something to be taken lightly, nor does it come without cost. I’m not alone – it has negatively affected hundreds of millions of people. It still is!


    • #40178

      Are you sure it’s IE-11 causing that pop-up or whatever you have for a homepage (like MSN maybe)?

      I’m running IE-11 and the only time I see that invitation is when visiting MSN-dot-com.

    • #40179

      I don’t know of any Get Windows 10 pop-ups associated with IE 11. The ads I know about originate from the underlying sites, which invariably are Microsoft sites.

    • #40180

      You guys are probably right, but after the last security update [on Thinkpad with Win 8.1 PRO] IE had been changed back to Bing and MSN, when previously I always had it set to Google.
      Then after trying to figure out how to get Google back as my search engine, I finally just said sc#* it, and disabled IE. Now I just use Firefox, Chrome, & Opera.
      I suspect by the time MS is done with me I will have disabled everything including Windows.

    • #40181

      By the way Woody, I am sure most of us are extremely, and forever, grateful to you, Josh Mayfield and others, for helping us stay free from the Microsoft Ophiocordyceps unilateralis [look it up, I did].

    • #40182


    • #40183

      After installing the IE-CU released with the April 2016 updates (and every IE-CU since) a dialog box opens the first time you launch IE after the CU is installed. The box gives you a CHOICE to either switch to MSN for your home page and Bing for your default search engine OR keep your current preferences.

      If you just clicked the X to close that box when it appeared instead of ticking the choice to keep your current preferences you accepted the choice that was already ticked… which to no surprise is to use MS for everything.

      I think this may have been their first ploy to use clicking the X to close a dialog box as I accept.

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