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      • #2335059
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        I’m trying a test to see if I can get a better feel for bots and spammers on the site and where they come from.  When you come to the site you’ll noti
        [See the full post at: Giving you the choice]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2335068
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        I had just did a screen shot to ask what was going on. LOL
        Good luck blocking the robo spammers.
        And a safe and secure new year to you!

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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      • #2335076
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        I’m trying a test to see if I can get a better feel for bots and spammers on the site and where they come from

        with Multi-hop VPN’s, hidden/compromised servers in proxy countries, dirty IP’s assigned by ISP’s, Tag teams on VPN’s and shysters chancing their luck on clean IP’s, I wish you the best of luck! We as moderators have had this to deal with from the early forum days and they always evolve their methods. AI won’t replace experience by moderators, it’s not just a quick learning curve either, there’s a large amount of skill, instinct and research that AI simply cannot replace. Wordfence and our antispam is getting better over time and making things safer for everyone here on askwoody.

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      • #2335087
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        There is no response from any “buttons” : opt-in/opt-out, info, hide.

        Chrome Version 88.0.4324.87 (Official Build) beta (64-bit), uBlock Origin, uBlock Origin Extra

        • #2335189
          anonymous
          Guest

          Whitelist askwoody on uBlock. Reading about uBlock Extra on ghacks, all it does is add functionality to uBlock so the whitelist in uBlock should take care of the problem.

           

          Ditto any other content blocking extensions. (e.g. I use uMatrix which always blocks Google analytics other than when I choose to allow it).

      • #2335091
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        Susan wrote in her blog post that

        Also know that if you log in to the site the tracking is disabled as well.

        However, I am logged in here and I’m still getting the opt-in/opt-out notice at the bottom, so I’m not sure what difference it actually makes whether the user is logged in or not.

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      • #2335094
        SoulAsylum
        AskWoody Lounger

        FWIW!! Ublock Origin prevents it from appearing. The site looks great in all other aspects.

        Cheers

      • #2335113
        Geo
        AskWoody Plus

        With the political climate I wouldn’t trust Google analytics.  Could return to the days of  the Carnegie Institution and the state of Connecticut  and their abuse of the information with the registry and survey of Rocky Hill , Connecticut residents for future use by IBM.

        • #2335119
          Bundaburra
          AskWoody Plus

          I use Ublock Origin in Firefox, and although it says it has blocked six items on this page, the box ix still appearing.

          I also use a Firefox extension called “Opt-out for Analytics”.  As it says, “this is not an adblocker extension. It just asks the Google Analytics API that the user is not willing to be recorded.”  Don’t know if it works or not, but can’t do any harm?

          Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 20H2

      • #2335121
        anonymous
        Guest

        ublock origin here on FF and didn’t even see it. I hate Google for what it’s worth.

        • #2335122
          anonymous
          Guest

          Just posted above and after scrolling down I do see it now. I’ll be opting out thank you!

      • #2335137
        Cee Arr
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m trying a test to see if I can get a better feel for bots and spammers on the site and where they come from.  When you come to the site you’ll noti
        [See the full post at: Giving you the choice]

        What choice is there with Google? My choice is remove Google. Leave well enough alone. Again more confusion re what opt in and opt out really mean.  Susan your explanation really didn’t help. Google is untrustworthy – period!

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      • #2335140
        Cee Arr
        AskWoody Plus

        It transpires that any ad blocker etc etc will interfere with said Opt in/opt out selection. It would have been nice to alert members that all such blockers must be disabled to make a selection.  Absolutely nothing worked until I disabled all blockes. I selected to opt out and restarted all my blockers. So it appears Google is/was the culprit – not surprising.

      • #2335179
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Opted “in” to see how that worked, but noticed right afterwards that there was no button available for opting out again. I must add that I am happy to help Susan run her experiment, but would like to choose when to stop.

        So I logged out of AskWoody and closed the browser. Then connected again to Ask Woody with the same browser, logged in once more and went to Susan’s “giving you the choice” thread. And there was still no visible way for opting out. The cooky for “opting in” must be still in the browser cache and, if so, the only way to opt out after opting in may be to remove the “opt in” cooky. Is that right?

        I am having the same experience with both Waterfox and with Chrome.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

      • #2335186
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        I just reopened Chrome and deleted the cookie from AskWoody I found there, which must have been the opt in one. But after reopening Chrome and logging in back on this site I still am not being offered the option to opt in/opt out.

        As my signature panel shows below, I am using a Mac, but I believe this has to do with the Browser, not with the OS.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

        • #2335210
          Kirsty
          Manager

          I’m certainly not seeing the option on my iPad, using Brave browser. This makes me start to think the data that will be obtained from spammers/bots will be limited.

      • #2335211
        anonymous
        Guest

        Maybe put it at the top of the page instead of the bottom?

      • #2335236
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        Wow, this looks soooo SNEAKY with it being at the bottom! Who goes to the very bottom of threads here? I don’t and bet others don’t…the regulars don’t because we know a blank text box is at the bottom and who wants or needs to look at that? Thus, I would never have seen this if I hadn’t read this thread so move it to the top!

        I remain always logged in here (on the tab to here that I never close in Basilisk even when I close Basilisk)…after reading this thread it is not at all clear if I need to opt out or not???

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Mele20.
      • #2335238
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        There is no response from any “buttons” : opt-in/opt-out, info, hide.

        Chrome Version 88.0.4324.87 (Official Build) beta (64-bit), uBlock Origin, uBlock Origin Extra

        It”s a test that doesn’t work I guess because you are right. You can’t opt out (or in).

      • #2335251
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        FWIW!! Ublock Origin prevents it from appearing. The site looks great in all other aspects.

        Cheers

        I use uBlock Origin the got the ‘banner’

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      • #2335257
        mn–
        AskWoody Lounger

        EFF Privacy Badger says it’s blocking two trackers’ attempt to access cookies (default behaviour). Could set it to block them completely.

        The two are from http://www.google.com and http://www.gstatic.com

        … oh yes, this is while logged in.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by mn--.
      • #2335274
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        After trying several different things in Chrome to get the disappeared “opt-out” button back after opting in, I finally got the opt-in/opt-out buttons back after I deleted all the cookies from AskWoody accumulated in Chrome. There was quite  lot of them, mostly for WorldPress. I think it will be better for me not to press again “opt-in” in Chrome.
        So far being cookie-less seems to be causing no problems I can notice.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

      • #2335313
        Pepsiboy
        AskWoody Lounger

        Susan,

        I just logged in to the Ask Wood web site and I don’t see your “Opt in out” thing any where. Just where is it located?

        Dave

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Pepsiboy. Reason: Forgot to check the "Notify me" box
      • #2335316
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Susan,

        I just logged in to the Ask Wood web site and I don’t see your “Opt in out” thing any where. Just where is it located?

        Dave

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Pepsiboy. Reason: Forgot to check the "Notify me" box

        At the bottom of the page

        • #2335605
          rick41
          AskWoody Lounger

          For me it appeared at the bottom of the screen, not the bottom of the page.  I didn’t have to scroll to see it.  IOW, it’s in the typical position for the annoying cookie disclaimers that I used to see so often — on most sites — until I added the “I don’t care about cookies” add-on to Firefox.

      • #2335722
        Pepsiboy
        AskWoody Lounger

        Well, it finally showed up at the bottom of the screen for me about 18:30 tonight. As per usual, something new takes longer for me to see than everyone else.

        Just like on Facebook, when someone sends me a message or makes a post to m wall, I might not see it for 8 hours to 4 days. SSOOO frustrating.

        Dave

      • #2336021
        carpintero
        AskWoody Lounger

        I use uMatrix which always blocks Google analytics other than when I choose to allow it

        I use uMatrix which always blocks Google analytics, and I never allow it.

      • #2336029
        carpintero
        AskWoody Lounger

        the “I don’t care about cookies” add-on

        Stated by the developer : “it will automatically accept the cookie policy”.
        You want that?

        • #2336032
          rick41
          AskWoody Lounger

          Yes, I’m generally OK with that.  I have CCleaner clear out all cookies before I shut down (aside from some exceptions I’ve pre-designated).  If I’m concerned about a particular site I look at the Firefox site info and may manually delete cookies and/or change site-specific permissions, etc.  I also have an Ad Blocker and a referer blocker.  Plus, a Facebook-tracking blocker (Facebook Container).  I disdain, and rarely use, Facebook, but of course its nosy tentacles track one’s activity across the web even without any purposeful FB interacion.

      • #2336031
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        At least in my Mac, the blue bar now appears at the top of the screen in Waterfox and Chrome, but at the bottom of it in FireFox. I imagine people might notice that anyway, but just in case I mention it.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

        • #2336037
          rick41
          AskWoody Lounger

          As of today, for me it moved from the bottom to the top in Firefox esr on Windows 7.  (As expected, it doesn’t show up at all when I’m logged in.)

          • #2336041
            anonymous
            Guest

            Still at the bottom for me even after clearing cache FF 78.6.1 esr

            • #2336054
              Susan Bradley
              Manager

              Try now?  I purged the caches from the site.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady

              • #2336074
                satrow
                AskWoody MVP

                FF 78.6.1 ESR and it’s on top, not logged in, my 3rd string browser.

                Primary browser Pale Moon, it’s on the top, partially hidden by my WP Bar. Until a few hours ago it had been at the bottom of the Pale Moon window – not at the bottom of any AW page.

                .

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            • #2336076
              satrow
              AskWoody MVP

              I suggest you clear the AW cookies.

      • #2336068
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Position of the blue bar:

        It has not changed in any of three browsers (Waterfox, Firefox and Chrome) from where it was when I wrote this a while ago: #2336031 .

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

      • #2336079
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Fired up in Chrome incognito mode and the bar is right at the top where you can’t miss it.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2336140
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        I see it ONLY at the bottom of site and clicking on Opt Out seems to do nothing.

        But then uBlock Origin shows this:

        -google-analytics-$domain=~wordpress.org google-analytics— script https://www.askwoody.com/wp-content/plugins/ga-google-analytics-pro/js/optout-common.js?ver=1.9

      • #2336203
        rexr
        AskWoody Plus

        Using the latest Firefox v84.0.2 and uBlock Origin with AskWoody whitelisted.

        The blue opt in/out bar is at the top of my screen/window and remains there no matter where I scroll to. That’s Ok with me, I hit the X (exit) to dismiss it.

        I opted Out successfully yesterday and the blue bar read “Thanks. We set a cookie in your browser, so Google Analytics will not track your future visits.”

        Today i logged back in to AskWoody, the blue bar was  at the top of the screen again informing me the same thing…’Thanks, We set a cookie…GA will not track your future visits.’

        Then clicked on the X (exit) on the bar to dismiss it and it disappeared.

        I opted Out because I’m tired of Google everywhere, used to love it.

        I’ve never seen Spambots on AW, thanks for keeping it clean admins and you unsung workers behind the scenes :thumbsup:

         

        Win10 Pro 20H2 19042.804
        Backups with Macrium Reflect home edition
        • #2336215
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          If you see the message repeatedly, you are probably deleting cookies when you close the browser. Your choice….

          cheers, Paul

      • #2336562
        Kathy Stevens
        AskWoody Lounger

        We avoid sites that use Google Analytics.

        In addition, we delete cookies when we close our browsers.

        As a result, we are restricting access to this site until Google Analytics is removed.

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        • #2336565
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          I’m sorry you feel that way.  I’m trying to better understand the site, where spammers are coming from so I can protect it better so I can make a better site for you.  I have explicitly set it up so that you are not tracked once you log in and you have opt in or opt out options.  I have given you complete control over your experience.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2336568
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        Can we have an update as to the current (and hopefully final) status of this Google Analytics cookie thing? I have been keeping up with the twists and turns in this thread, and honestly I am no clearer on it than when I started.

        Specifically, if one is signed in here, does it make any difference one way or another whether one 1) clicks to opt in, 2) clicks to opt out, or 3) doesn’t click on either of those choices? And if any of these actions does make a difference, what is the difference?

        Clarity and completeness, please. And the less technical the explanation, the better.  🙂

        Thank you.

         

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        • #2336570
          OscarCP
          AskWoody Plus

          Cybertooth,

          For me, if I click to opt in, that makes a big difference, because both the ‘Click here to opt in’ and ‘Click here to opt out’ buttons in the blue bar immediately disappear, replaced, irreversibly, by a note of thanks in the blue bar (this bar that might be at the very top or the very bottom of the screen, depending on the browser) and, after trying several things, the only way I’ve found to “opt out” is to get my hands inside the guts of the browser to find and delete the ‘askwoody.com’ cookie or cookies.

          Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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          • #2336571
            Susan Bradley
            Manager

            If you’ve clicked to opt in, then the cookie is set.  I have specifically set the settings to “Disable tracking of all logged-in users”.  Clicking on the option will make the blue bar go away – again because the cookie is set.

            All you have to do is ensure that you opt out and log in. These actions will not track you.

            I’m trying to be really respectful of everyone privacy but at the same time allow me to get a bit more diagnostic information.  Again thank you in advance for your understanding.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady

            • #2336591
              OscarCP
              AskWoody Plus

              Susan: “All you have to do is ensure that you opt out and log in

              Susan, for me, at last, the only way to opt out is to delete the cookie. If there is another way, I would love to hear about it. But the moment I click ‘opt in’ the possibility of opting out disappears and going into the browser, finding and deleting the cookie is all I can do to opt out. Is this what you mean by “all you have to do”?

              Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

              • #2336596
                Paul T
                AskWoody MVP

                You cannot know if you are opted in or out just by looking at the screen / blue bar.

                You need to allow it to set the cookie so that “opt out” is the default when you visit. If you still get the blue bar it’s because you block something.

                More importantly, once logged in the tracking is off.

                cheers, Paul

              • #2336601
                OscarCP
                AskWoody Plus

                Paul_T “More importantly, once logged in the tracking is off.

                So only those who visit without logging in (i.e., anonymously) get tracked?

                 

                Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

              • #2336614
                satrow
                AskWoody MVP

                Anon. visitors can opt-out as well, we all get that option:

                Before:

                Cookies1

                After Opting out:

                Cookies2

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              • #2336619
                Alex5723
                AskWoody Plus

                My Chrome 88 browser doesn’t respond to any click on in/out.
                I have no opt-in/out cookies…
                Chrome is configured to send ‘Do Not Track’ request.
                The opt in/out bar is at the bottom of the page.

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              • #2336623
                OscarCP
                AskWoody Plus

                satrow: “Anon. visitors can opt-out as well, we all get that option

                So let me see if I got this right: the anonymous are tracked as soon as they show up, but can opt out later, or else log out, and the rest of us only gets tracked between opting in and logging out. Next time we log in we are not tracked unless we opt in again. So the choice of opting in is for the current session only.

                What this has to do with the “opt out” button disappearing as soon as I press “opt in” while logged in? Does this happens only to me?

                And yes, I get the cookie installed in the browser. Deleting it opts me out.

                Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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              • #2336653
                satrow
                AskWoody MVP

                Opting in or out changes the complete content of the bar, see the difference between the images I posted earlier.

                A Google cookie is only allowed to be set after you’ve made the choice – when you Opt-in, you get the gapro-optin cookie. Same for anons, logging out or clearing cookies, will reset the status.

      • #2336627
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        I can’t opt out on Windows 8.0 Pro computer. There is NO response on trying to click to opt out on Basilisk 2021.01.05 which is my default browser. Same thing on Fx 52.9 ESR. On my Windows 10 computer, I can’t opt out or in there either but I see all the cookies set on both so I don’t believe that one is automatically NOT tracked if logged in on either of my computers. I don’t have to worry since I have ALWAYS done the CORRECT thing and blocked Google Analytics in Hostsman on both computers but I am still bothered that a tech site would be so enamored of evil Google.

        Plus, the blue bar looks different on Windows 8.0 Pro from Windows 10 Pro(2004).

        Maybe this works on Google garbage browsers but I have everything Google (about 40 addresses) blocked in Hostsman. I have NEVER allowed Google garbage in 22 years on computers.

        Why do you use recaptcha (Google garbage) when there is now the excellent hCaptcha that is open source and does NOT track one?

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      • #2336632
        Cee Arr
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m trying to be really respectful of everyone privacy

        Respectfully, using Google Analytics is not the greatest way for anything privacy related IMO. My only question is when will this Google “stuff” be turned off?

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        • #2336694
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          As has been said several times, it can be turned off by opting out and it’s off if you are logged in.

          cheers, Paul

      • #2336625
        anonymous
        Guest

        So let me see if I got this right: the anonymous are tracked as soon as they show up, but can opt out later, or else log out,

        how can anons log out when they are not logged in to start with?

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        • #2336802
          OscarCP
          AskWoody Plus

          Anonymous: “how can anons log out when they are not logged in to start with?

          Sorry, Anonymous! I meant “to close the browser window, breaking the connection to AskWoody and then move on.”

          Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

      • #2336710
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        I think what’s throwing me is the fact that two choices are given simultaneously, to Opt In or to Opt Out. As they used to say, this does not compute (so to speak). If I have the choice to EITHER opt in or opt out, then what status am I currently in? I’m reminded of Schrödinger’s Cat.

        Generally speaking, a user would be given the option to opt in if they are currently “out,” or a choice to opt out if they are currently “in”. But not both at the same time: it suggests that they are currently opted both in and out. This in-between, either-or state is as confusing as quantum physics.

         

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Cybertooth.
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        • #2336712
          satrow
          AskWoody MVP

          Opting in or out changes the complete content of the bar, see the difference between the images I posted earlier.

          A Google cookie is only allowed to be set after you’ve made the choice – when you Opt-in, you get the gapro-optin cookie. Same for anons, logging out or clearing cookies, will reset the status.

          See also my earlier Post and images.

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          • #2336790
            Cybertooth
            AskWoody Plus

            I had seen that, thanks. I still don’t understand how, at the outset, a user can be offered BOTH an opt-in and an opt-out option. Offering either one implies that the user is in the other state, so how can the user be offered both??

            To illustrate what I mean, below is a screenshot of what I’m seeing:

            Google-Analytics

            • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Cybertooth.
            • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Cybertooth.
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            • #2336794
              Susan Bradley
              Manager

              No, the system is waiting for you to make the choice. Opt in for tracking or Opt out for tracking.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady

              • #2336797
                rick41
                AskWoody Lounger

                And what is the default if you choose not to make a choice, either via ignoring the banner or by clicking the X to close (and don’t log in)? Does that leave you opted in or opted out?

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              • #2336799
                Susan Bradley
                Manager

                If you are logged in (which you are) my understanding is that it will not track.  That’s one of the settings I specifically chose.

                Susan Bradley Patch Lady

              • #2336807
                rick41
                AskWoody Lounger

                Thanks, but my question was specifically about when I’m not logged in, because on most visits I don’t — particularly the brief ones.  Perhaps I shouldn’t have made that part a parenthetical.

                Regardless, I’m certainly sympathetic to your goal of trying to rid the site of sp**mers.

                BTW, I wonder why above the text box there is a pink box that says, “Error: Are you sure you wanted to do that?”

                • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by rick41. Reason: typos
      • #2336732
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        If you want the opt out option to reappear delete the askwoody cookies and reload the site!
        You may not want to delete all of them but there are a few that ‘look’ googlish go for them first.
        😉

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
        • #2336808
          OscarCP
          AskWoody Plus

          Cybrtooth writes: ” If you want the opt out option to reappear delete the askwoody cookies and reload the site!

          Cybertooth, that is what I have repeatedly explained here and that also have found that works, but is also something I rather don’t do, as I cannot be sure exactly which cookies are not worth keeping and which ones are.

          Concretely: If I wanted to opt out, then I have tried and found that deleting all askwoody.com cookies does work, for example, but I’m not sure that they (and also those with ‘google’ in their names) are all equally disposable without unwanted consequences.

          So my final conclusion is: that this really does not work for me, for whatever reason, perhaps to do with some browser options that, unknown to me, when I downloaded and installed the browsers, came preset to, for Susan’s project, unhelpful defaults.

          I hope enough people can participate without the problems I have mentioned and she gets enough information out of their help to get that sense she is after of how bad things are re spying, tracking, etc., etc. Of all those cybernetic evils of our days that buzz around everything, AskWoody included.

          That is a good thing to find out: so good luck, Susan, and sorry that, although I have tried, can’t be with you in this one.

          Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

          • #2336840
            Paul T
            AskWoody MVP

            If I wanted to opt out, then I have tried and found that deleting all askwoody.com cookies does work

            How do you know it works?

            cheers, Paul

            • #2336841
              OscarCP
              AskWoody Plus

              Because it does. Not a very scientific answer, but is the best one I have.

              Or as Woody once explained the reason supporting his position on a tricky issue: “Personal observation.”

              Kind regards, OscarCP

              Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

      • #2336859
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’ve been exploring this more on both Basilisk and Fx. So, I got rid of all cookies here on both and then played with different settings regarding cookies.

        One thing that really struck me is that because I don’t allow anything Google is that I will never be able to post here unless logged in. When I tried to make a post here without logging in first, I was blocked from posting and asked to complete the Google captcha first! How could I do that? I block all Google offerings on all my computers. I couldn’t see a captcha.

        I really think that a tech site like this one should not be so enamored of Google.

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        • #2336942
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          The google recaptcha is not new and has been there for years.  It’s designed to ensure that anonymous posters can’t spam the site.

          This is a wordpress site.  It’s built from plug ins.  For many of these plug ins they build them to follow standards. Google recaptcha is a web standard.  We don’t code this site ourselves.  We have to use what others have previously built.  That’s the reality of the web and technology sites even today.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2336950
            Kirsty
            Manager

            Additionally, we need to be mindful of plug-in conflicts, as not all WordPress plug-ins play nicely with each other!
            🙂

      • #2336928
        bsqrd
        AskWoody Plus

        As a rookie I have no idea what this is all about and after reading some of the responses from people, I get a sense you seem to be behaving like Microsoft ( remember those people you are constantly criticizing about their approach to treating clients, lack of testing updates, giving them changes they did not ask for etc.
        I ask the question – what happens if I just ignore the blue bar and neither opt in nor opt out? Do I still have access to Ask Woody. I have renewed my subscription for 2021 but if one day I lose contact so be it. It’s difficult enough to wrestle with Microsoft Windows 10 but not with those people you hope will be your source of assistance.
        bsqrd

        • #2336939
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          Unlike Microsoft I’m giving you a choice 🙂  If you make no selection at all it doesn’t block you from the site.  The goal of this is to ensure I have better information about what’s going on with the site to better protect it.  This is a change to make it better for you.  My intention with being honest/up front/clear about your choices was to not be like Microsoft and instead give you options.

          Other sites track and don’t give you choice.  I didn’t want to do that because I know that many of you want to opt out.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2336955
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Other sites track and don’t give you choice

        Does askwoody honor browses ‘do not track’ request ? What about ‘No Personal Data is Collected’ banner ?

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Alex5723.
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      • #2337004
        DriftyDonN
        AskWoody Plus

        The Google analytics choice banner has been appearing for several days as soon as I open to askwoody (prior to log in) For what its worth its at the very top. I click NO WAY every time , yet it is back the next time I come back. I suspect this is because I have FF clear all cookies and history at close. Are you going to make this permanent? Is it possible for them(You?) to set a super cookie that won’t be deleted or is that just skuttlebutt?

        My subscription is coming due soon and I would like to know if you are going to keep this as a possibility before I re-up.

        Thanks!

      • #2337005
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        DriftyDon: ” My subscription is coming due soon and I would like to know if you are going to keep this as a possibility before I re-up.

        My Plus subscription ended today because of a mix-up with my payment that I’m told will be taken care of soon and, as a result, that blue banner is no longer showing up on my browser’s window.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

        • #2337033
          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          @oscarcp, did the blue banner disappear for you during the time that your subscription was expired, and did it reappear once your subscription got sorted out and reactivated?

          I’m getting the blue banner whether I’m signed in or not. Fortunately, in most cases it sits at the bottom of the Web page, so I see it only if I happen to scroll down that far.

           

          • #2337046
            OscarCP
            AskWoody Plus

            Cybertooth,

            I did not see the blue bar then but I do see it now .

            I think that the reason for the blue bar appearing now, is that I deleted the cookie once more last time, after I closed the browser.

            [Moderator Edit] please stay on topic

            Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

            • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by OscarCP.
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      • #2337037
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Is it possible for them(You?) to set a super cookie that won’t be deleted or is that just skuttlebutt?

        There is no such thing as a cookie that persists after you have cleared all.

        The banner returns because you clear all your cookies. If you retained cookies for AskWoody you would remain logged in and the banner would never return (and you would not be tracked).
        Cookies can be used for good.

        cheers, Paul

        • #2338462
          DriftyDonN
          AskWoody Plus

          When you say “…no such thing as a cookie that persists….” I am assuming you are responding to my use of the term supercookie.

          FYI

          Firefox 85 Cracks Down on Supercookies

          I am sure you are familiar with supercookies, so were not implying “..no such thing…”  Right?

           

      • #2337044
        ScotchJohn
        AskWoody Plus

        I suspect this is because I have FF clear all cookies and history at close

        DriftyDon – I have FF set to clear all cookies at close, but I also use CookieQuickMnager to lock the cookies such as those that identify me to AW.  Thus, they are still there when I next restart FF.  Cookies on my terms, not those of the trackers.

        Dell E5570 Latitude, Intel Core i5 6440@2.60 GHz, 8.00 GB - Win 10 Pro

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      • #2337060
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Yes and yes.

        Yes for the first question. I don’t see a banner for the second question 🙂

        • #2337119
          b
          AskWoody MVP

          I don’t see a banner for the second question

          Do you really need a ‘No Personal Data is Collected’ banner?

          What information do you keep?

          The bare minimum necessary to keep the site running. We automatically keep things like your IP address, browser info, operating system, and the date and time you accessed the site. We also store your email address (see below). We only use this to see how many people visit our site and from where, and we will never use it to track or identify you. We will only keep other information if you want us to keep it, and we will keep it for as long as you want us to. Passwords are salted and encrypted (which means even if somebody stole them, they wouldn’t be able to read them). We don’t keep any financial information. More info.

          FAQ

          How many sites display such a banner?

          Perhaps you could provide an example URL or three?

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        • #2337138
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          That policy is in the FAQ of the site.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2337560
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        Google recaptcha is a web standard.

        WEB Standard ? De facto GOOGLE standard maybe but not to my liking as I have to change browsers to deal with them! JUST DO NOT USE THEM !!

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #2337561
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        That policy is in the FAQ of the site.

        Many people don’t wade through pages of policies. A banner can say it all.

      • #2338476
        Cee Arr
        AskWoody Plus

        IMO would it not have been a much better idea to have asked first if GA was acceptable to the majority of AW members before just putting it on the site?  I use FF and this “at the bottom/at the top” and all the additional questions it has raised has been far from simple. Every time I use AW it is a lottery as to what I’ll get. I think GA is playing with my FF add ons in a way that I have not seen before i.e. some time on and sometimes off.  I have to reload the site to have the add ons operate in the on position.  For the sake of simplicity please remove GA from AW.  Keep the site lean, mean and simple; it was just fine the way it was.

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        • #2338482
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          Google analytics is the defacto gold standard of providing information for web properties ergo why I put it in place but made sure I gave you choices.  I got my answers and it’s now disabled.  I was trying to see if there was patterns to the spam to better protect the site.  I got a few insights to help in blocking.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2338804
        anonymous
        Guest

        Gaming Google Analytics

        From time to time we help nonprofit museum curators develop exhibition webpages (free of charge) and many of their activities are funded by charitable trusts and similar organizations.

        The funders and museum boards of directors are always interested in exhibition attendance, book sales, and webpage viewership. And their web page viewership interests range from the number of visitors to their geographic distribution.

        As a result, we use Google Analytics to track web viewership.

        While we to not let the host institutions or their staffs know, we make regular visits to their exhibition/program/book sales webpages and encourage others to do the same.

        When we visit their web pages, we do it from over 30 PC via a VPN with over 5,500 servers located in nearly 60 countries.  Of the servers, over 2,500 are in the United States and Canada and another 400 in the UK.

        Obviously, we cannot influence the analytics related to exhibition payed attendance and physical book sales.  But they do get incredible web page results with respect to numbers of clicks and geographic distribution of those clicks.

        Food for thought for users of Google Analytics.

      • #2338627
        b
        AskWoody MVP

        A supercookie is different. Clearing your browsing data doesn’t help.

        What Are Supercookies?

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      • #2338674
        DriftyDonN
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m not sure who you are speaking to @ b but that was essentially what I was asking. Things change so fast! and GA would be a likely suspect to develop one that would persist. Glad Susan decided to remove it. I had my ‘google ‘ removed months ago and feel SOOOO much better!

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      • #2338704
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        From Wikipedia:

        In late 2014, it became known that Verizon Wireless uses deep packet inspection for server-side insertion of a customer-unique ID field (“X-UIDH”) into all unencrypted HTTP headers. The mechanism has been referred to as “supercookie” or “perma-cookie”

        This is very simple to defeat, it’s called HTTPS.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2338733
        Fred
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m not sure who you are speaking to @ b but that was essentially what I was asking. Things change so fast! and GA would be a likely suspect to develop one that would persist. Glad Susan decided to remove it. I had my ‘google ‘ removed months ago and feel SOOOO much better!

        see Martin Brinkmann:
        https://www.ghacks.net/2020/12/28/are-you-protected-against-online-tracking-the-effs-cover-your-tracks-site-has-the-answer/

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