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      • #2305719
        Lars220
        AskWoody Lounger

        Justice Department files antitrust lawsuit against Google

        By Jimmy Westenberg – 20 October 2020 – Android Authority

        “It’s been a long time coming, but the US Department of Justice has filed a lawsuit against Google, citing the search giant’s long-running dominance in online search and anti-competitive practices in search advertising.”

        Google sued by US Department of Justice in search monopoly

        By Charlie Osborne for Between the Lines – October 20, 2020 – ZDNet

        “Regulators allege that Google is violating antitrust laws with its iron grip on search and related advertising. Google has become the subject of an antitrust lawsuit launched by the US Department of Justice (DoJ).”

        How I Fully Quit Google (And You Can, Too)

        By Nithin Coca – Jul 9, 2018 · 12 min read – Medium,com – Cybersecurity

        “It’s been a year since this was published, and I’m still Google-free! Here’s my follow-up story on how it is to live outside the Google-bubble, and why more than ever before we need to ramp up the fight for a free, open, and decentralized web.”

        Alternatives to Google Products

        By Sven Taylor – June 24, 2019 – Restore Privacy com

        “This guide aims to be the most exhaustive resource available for documenting alternatives to Google products. It has become one of the most popular guides on Restore Privacy and is regularly updated with new information.”

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      • #2305874
        anonymous
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        ? says:

        thanks for posting this, Lars. i love google almost as much as win7 but hey they already know that about me. no question mark for them ? check out this story:

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/10/19/google-search-results-monopoly/

        PS https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-monopolist-google-violating-antitrust-laws

      • #2306072
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks, Lars2020 and Anonymous for starting this thread and then making the follow on comment needed to bring it more fully to other people’s attention. Thanks also for those informative articles you both have given links to in your posted comments.

        I am placing here another link to yet another article, this time from the BBC:

        https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54619148

        Excerpts follow. But I must say that, in my opinion, a charge of monopolistic practices does not seem to me as quite the best case to be brought against Google or, perhaps, the most likely to be made successfully, later in court . There are several other search engines still around and I have not seen any signs that they are being driven out of business by “Big Google.” It might be the most used search engine, but what they have to say about it being so entirely by the the free choice of its users seems about right to me (but I am not a lawyer, so what do I know). Here are the excerpts:

        The US government has filed charges against Google, accusing the company of violating competition law to preserve its monopoly over internet searches and online advertising.

        The lawsuit marks the biggest challenge brought by US regulators against a major tech company in years.

        It follows more than a year of investigation and comes as the biggest tech firms face intense scrutiny of their practices at home and abroad.

        Google called the case “deeply flawed”.

        The company has maintained that its sector remains intensely competitive and that its practices put customers first.

        “People use Google because they choose to – not because they’re forced to or because they can’t find alternatives,” it said.

        Google is not the only big “tech” company now finding itself squarely in the firing line of the present Administration and, in a rather unusual concurrence these days, of the US Congress as well:

        Politicians in Congress have also called for action against Google and fellow tech firms Amazon, Facebook and Apple in an effort that has united Democrats and Republicans.

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      • #2320049
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Not only google. Do I understand right, that you are not satysfied, how monopolistic practices by google are solved? I agree. But not only google, but others too. You can hate me, but

        “People use Google because they choose to – not because they’re forced to or because they can’t find alternatives,” it said. ”

        I agree what google says. I use google account only because I want to. There is no pressure on me. Unlike with Windows and Apple account, where they force me to do so. I really think, that this OK with google, but not OK eith other big players.

        There was example in czech republic, where they want 9 bilion CZK from google, because “they misused their monopol against others”.
        This case is created by seznam.cz – search provider and email host. But this is wrong. Why?
        Because seznam.cz only wants “easy money”. They complain, that google puts its search engine in front of others (including seznam.cz).
        link1 – czech source
        link2 – foreign source before
        OK… If I created my OS (Android) I would put my searching engine in front too. Look at Edge in Windows. You type something in cortana and Edge opens, even if your def browser is different. Its hard coded. This court issue is lost fight from the beginning.

        But I really think its time to beat those monopols with massive, massive financial fines. Not for “breaking the law” or “misusing their market position”. This is lawyers playfield and this cant be done.
        But I really think its time to punish the IMMORALITY of their attitude. All is just about law these days, but there is some MORAL CODEX? Where is some HUMANITY and EMPATHY? Do those values really not exist anymore? Cant we really say the truth – that its immoral to treat other people like they do – just to make more money for the people who are already richest in the world? Forbes top 10? I know that they built this and they deserve something, but what ammount of money will make them happy? Nah.. I sound like communist, but this is my angle of view.

        Gates, Bezos, Ballmer, Ellison. Should I go on? These people are evil and they ARE GOING to **** I tell you.

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        • This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by doriel. Reason: links
      • #2320193
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        It is not just about fining big money to some monopolistic Internet Big Businesses: it is also about breaking them up. For example, the current proceedings in the USA are aimed at forcing Facebook to divest itself of WhatsUp and Instagram:

        https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/tech/facebook-antitrust-lawsuit-ftc-attorney-generals/index.html

        ” The complaints zero in on Facebook’s acquisition and control over Instagram and WhatsApp, two key services in its social media empire. Facebook announced in 2012 that it was buying Instagram for $1 billion; two years later, it announced a $19 billion acquisition of WhatsApp..

        As to the legal action against Google:

        https://apnews.com/article/google-justice-department-antitrust-0510e8f9047956254455ec5d4db06044

        Excerpts:
        Sally Hubbard, an antitrust expert who runs enforcement strategy at the Open Markets Institute, said it was a welcome surprise to see the Justice Department’s openness to the possibility of structurally breaking up Google, and not just imposing conditions on its behavior as has happened in Europe.
        The argument for reining in Google has gathered force as the company stretched far beyond its 1998 roots as a search engine governed by the motto “Don’t Be Evil.” It’s since grown into a diversified goliath with online tentacles that scoop up personal data from billions of people via services ranging from search, video and maps to smartphone software. That data helps feed the advertising machine that has turned Google into a behemoth.

        “There may be a political angle to this, with the current US government having complained repeatedly about how comments by the president are dealt with be Facebook, for example. But this is really something that has the serious support of both major political parties in the USA and is very likely to be picked up and pursued by the new administration after January 20th, when the new president assumes power.

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