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      • #2317601
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        WuMgr for Windows 10 Explanation

        WuMgr is third-party software created by DavidXanatos and performs Windows Update Management. It is an alternate method for Windows update operations. This topic is a short explanation on how to use WuMgr (Update Manager for Windows) to either install Windows updates or hide them.

        Part I will deal with downloading and executing WUMgr.

        Part II will show how to install Windows updates.

        Part III will show how to hide Windows updates.

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      • #2317602
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Part I Downloading and Executing WuMgr

        WuMgr is located at this address:
        https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr

        Select Release 1.1
        wum07b

        Select WuMgr_v1.1b.zip
        wum08b

        Save file:
        wum09b

        Extract files:
        wum10b

        I extracted files here:
        wum11b

        The executable file is here. Click on it to run it.
        wum12b

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      • #2317609
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Part II Installing Updates from WuMgr

        There are six selections for WuMgr from left to right they are:
        Circle: Search
        Down arrow: Download
        Down arrow with box: Install
        Trash: Uninstall
        Eye: Hide
        Chain: Links

        wum00

        Select the circle on the far left.
        wum01-2

        Check the update you wish to install.
        Select the box with the down arrow.
        wum02-2

        The update will download and install.
        wum03-2

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      • #2317615
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Part III Hiding Updates in WuMgr

        When you hide an update in WuMgr, the update is prevented from installing.

        Select the circle on the far left.
        wum04-1

        Check the update you wish to hide.
        Select the eye with the line through it.
        wum05-1

        The update will be hidden.
        wum06-1

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        • #2318576
          WCHS
          AskWoody Plus

          And if you want to UNhided and install?

      • #2317620
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Things in Windows update have a way of resetting themselves and new updates are sometimes introduced without notice. Check often with WuMgr to avoid surprises.

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      • #2317635
        WSaltamirano
        AskWoody Lounger

        I have tried this application a few months ago and it “broke” my Windows update and

        I had to recover from a back up.

        • #2317743
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          How do you know it was WUmgr that broke WU? Maybe WU broke itself – I’ve had that happen.

          WUmgr uses Windows Update to do the work and if you check in WU after using WUmgr you will see the same info.

          cheers, Paul

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      • #2317675
        DriftyDonN
        AskWoody Plus

        Appreciate this nfo. What of the settings at the bottom right corner? Options and Auto and Auto update? There appears to be some missing information here.

        Also, I have used several settings within group policy and registry to control wu- will these have any impact on WuMgr? ie notice to download updates, exclude Drivers from quality updates and set automatic update options.

        Also have blocked edge, Internet explorer,Cortana, some Telemetry (w10tel.cmd script written by–?), stopped indexing, stopped prefetch- more do not come to mind right now but will any of these be affected? Also set to stay on ver 1909 in group policy editor. Sorry about the haphazard presentation – I’ve been stopping and blocking since first Win 10 I saw- 17xx I think? Maybe 1803? I suspect I may want to do a clean install before too long! I actually use more utils than actual product producing proggies- Use open office for spread sheet and word proc, quicken, email client,firefox, VLC. So as you can see no big production stuff. I only add this stuff in case WuMgr may have an impact on these.

        version 1909 (OS Bld 18363.1198)

        Thanks!

         

         

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        • #2317791
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          For Auto Update, I use the default settings as shown here:
          wum13

           

          For Options, I also use the default settings.

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          • #2317952
            DriftyDonN
            AskWoody Plus

            Thanks! Won’t allowing automatic update essentially allow wu to have it’s way? And allow drivers? Hmm. I do have (=2 notify ,don’t download) Sorry I neglected to mention that.

      • #2317802
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        As further information, I have a plain-vanilla system and use O&O ShutUp10 to inhibit unwanted Windows options.

        I use WuMgr to see what updates are available, including drivers, and hide them if I don’t want them. I can’t say that WuMgr won’t affect your system applications because I don’t have your system configuration. What I can say is that on my systems, WuMgr works well for managing Windows updates and does not affect other system operations.

        In short, WuMgr has worked well on my three systems and without error to other software.

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        • #2317831
          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          WUMgr has worked well on my two Windows 10 systems, too. One time, I noticed that no patches had been offered for months on one of those machines, and it turned out that I’d clicked on the box to Block Access to WU Servers. Then I knew that WUMgr works as advertised.

          I do select the Disable Automatic Update button instead of leaving the default selection. That way, no patches (presumably) will come in the door without my express approval. If I understand correctly how WUMgr works, the default setting is analogous to the “Install updates automatically” setting in the pre-Windows 10 update settings applet, while the Disable Automatic Update setting is like the setting to “Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them” in the old applet.

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      • #2317887
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Also, I have used several settings within group policy and registry to control wu- will these have any impact on WuMgr?

        WUmgr runs Windows Update and won’t show updates not shown by Windows Update due to block/deferrals.

        To show all pending updates you need to set in GP ‘notify don’t install = 2’ and leave quality and feature updates = 0.

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        • #2318394
          WCHS
          AskWoody Plus

          To show all pending updates you need to set in GP ‘notify don’t install = 2’ and leave quality and feature updates = 0.

          and do you also have the radio button for Automatic Update turned on, if you have GP=2 notify download/install? Or is it turned off?

          • #2318419
            Alex5723
            AskWoody Plus

            and do you also have the radio button for Automatic Update turned on, if you have GP=2 notify download/install? Or is it turned off?

            It is off by default.

            • #2318438
              WCHS
              AskWoody Plus

              It is off by default.

              in other words, the Automatic Update radio button is filled in? Which to me means that is on by default.

              WUMgr-Automatic-Update-radio-button

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      • #2318404
        Tom-R
        AskWoody Plus

        I’d be interested in knowing what specifically these three WuMgr options do:

        • Block Access to WU Servers
        • Disable Update Facilitators
        • Disable Store Auto Update

        And (just as important) how does WuMgr tweak the system in order to accomplish these three things?  For example what system services, processes and/or tasks are being disabled or blocked when these options are selected?  I’m especially curious about the option to “Disable Update Facilitators“; since that seems to be the key to stopping Windows Update from pushing unwanted updates, or from changing system settings without warning.

        Is there any detailed documentation on what these WuMgr options do, and how they work?

        • #2318409
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Read the source files (code) on the WUmgr site and all will be revealed.

          If you can’t read the code (don’t understand it) you will have to search for others who have.

          cheers, Paul

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          • #2318411
            Tom-R
            AskWoody Plus

            I didn’t really want to wade thru the WuMgr source code.  What I’m hoping exists somewhere is an end user-friendly document with just a summary of what services, processes, tasks, etc. are getting blocked or disabled.  I like the program; but it would be really nice to know conceptually what it’s doing — just a sentence or two that explains what each option does.

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        • #2318476
          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          I can’t speak for how WUMgr does any of these things, but I can tell you from experience that “Block Access to WU Servers” will prevent Windows not only from downloading each month’s patches, but even from displaying them in the WUMgr GUI. The setting to “Disable Store Auto Update” prevents apps from the Windows Store from updating themselves without your knowledge/approval.

          Unfortunately, I can’t offer much help regarding the setting you were most curious about, “Disable Update Facilitators”. I would speculate that this has to do with auxiliary Windows services and/or tasks that participate in the process of finding, fetching, and installing patches, but that’s about as far as I can take it.

          Maybe somebody else can pitch in with more specific info.

           

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      • #2318420
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        an end user-friendly document with just a summary of what services, processes, tasks, etc. are getting blocked or disabled.

        There is no such document.

        You can however write to the developer with your questions.

      • #2318468
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        There is no such document.

        This sad fact is what explains the existence of the present thread, as well as several other attempts here at Woody’s to describe the workings of WUMgr.

        David Xanatos has done a great job of creating his program, but some of the functions exposed in the GUI are far from self-explanatory. Imagine making an airplane and then providing no training/instruction manual for flying it: just try all the buttons and knobs to see what they do!  🙂

         

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        • #2318489
          WCHS
          AskWoody Plus

          Imagine making an airplane and then providing no training/instruction manual for flying it:

          yeah … great … wasn’t there a problem with the Boeing 737 Max for exactly this same reason … I am not willing to just press buttons to see what happens!!

          I have no complaints with the programming, whatsoever. I’d just like to know what the check boxes and icons do or do not do. As for the icons, most of them have been explained here … still wondering about the ‘link’ icon, though. And many of us have questions about some of the check boxes and don’t want to fly in the dark.

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          • #2318492
            Paul T
            AskWoody MVP

            Your PC is not likely to fall out of the sky, and you have a backup, so go for it!

            cheers, Paul

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            • #2318498
              Cybertooth
              AskWoody Plus

              Just trying buttons is still an extremely crude approach. The point is that it would be much more preferable to have a manual to review before and as the user starts to fiddle with the application–hence this thread and others on this website.

              I found a discussion of WUMgr that may help our understanding of some of the more obscure functions of the program.

               

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              • #2318573
                WCHS
                AskWoody Plus

                I found a discussion of WUMgr that may help our understanding of some of the more obscure functions of the program.

                I’ve read this discussion. It’s very helpful.

                a) Under the Auto Update tab, I wonder what the difference is between Disable Automatic Updates and not turning on the radio button for Automatic Update ?

                b) Under the Options tab, I wonder if “Manual” download/install is the same as GP=2 notify download/install. In the discussion, Tittel says that it forces the user to authorize download/install. Sounds like GP=2.

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      • #2318504
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Link command:

        Select the circle on the far left.
        wum14

        Check the update where you wish to see the link.
        Select the box with the chain.

        This notice will appear at the bottom of WuMgr.
        Update Download Links copyed to clipboard

        Open Notepad and do a paste:
        wum15

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      • #2318511
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Imagine making an airplane and then providing no training/instruction manual for flying it:

        Boeing 737 ?

        I don’t know of any 3rd party Windows app that has full documentation of changes made to Windows OS services, registry,… with one exception : Black Viper.

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      • #2318614
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        a) Under the Auto Update tab, I wonder what the difference is between Disable Automatic Updates and not turning on the radio button for Automatic Update ?

        There is no choice to be made there, really. You can’t both disable the button for automatic updates and not turn on the button for automatic updates: if one is not selected, then the other one will be.

        b) Under the Options tab, I wonder if “Manual” download/install is the same as GP=2 notify download/install. In the discussion, Tittel says that it forces the user to authorize download/install. Sounds like GP=2.

        Since I only use WUMgr, I no longer remember what the Win10 or GP update settings do. What I can say is that manual download/install works the same way as in Win7. (I suppose that if MS ever breaks WUMgr and it doesn’t get fixed, I’ll have to refresh my memory of the official update settings or, more likely, just switch to Linux full-time.) Somebody else in this thread should be able to give you a specific answer, though.

         

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      • #2346327
        anonymous
        Guest

        exceptional for you to do this. it really helps. wish I could open it!!

      • #2349106
        Kathy70
        AskWoody Plus

        This is all really useful. Very clear. Thanks so much!

        So… on my Windows 10 Home, out of the box machine. Moving onwards with set up. 20H2 installation successful.

        1:  Wushowhide … understand how it works. Have to be quick! Among the updates I allowed were…  KB4601319 and KB4023057. All went as usual for download/installation/restarting etc.

        2:  WuMgr ….. now trying this. In Update History, it shows the 2 updates above as: In progress 0x802420214. The others show as Succeeded.

        3  BUT looking at Control Panel, installed updates:
        KB4601319 shows as installed.    KB4023057 is not there at all.

        I am confused.
        Many thanks in advance for enlightenment.

        • #2349112
          PKCano
          Manager

          KB4023057 will install in Control Panel\Programs & Features or in Settings App\Apps.

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          • #2354210
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            I have hidden KB4023057 many times, following PKs instructions.  Today, it shows hidden when I run  wushowhide.  However, upon reboot (with metered connection on),  WU shows KB4023057 in the Q (along with Defender, I am not ready to do March updates yet, as per Susan’s recommendation).

            I can still see KB4023057 in the ‘hidden’ list.  I unhid it and re-ran wushowhide, as per instructions to hide it.  It shows hidden, but is still in the update Q.

            Should I install it and then immediately remove it from control panel? I have GPEDIT settings as per the instructions from this forum to prevent updates from automatically installing, I could check the settings.  Or any ideas on how I can fix this?  thanks.

        • #2349122
          b
          AskWoody MVP

          … as Microsoft Update Health Tools in both places.

          Windows 10 Pro version 21H2 build 19044.1151 + Microsoft 365 (group ASAP)

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      • #2349144
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        KB4023057 will install in Control Panel\Programs & Features or in Settings App\Apps.

        Is there a difference in displaying updates Pro vs Home ?

        KB4023057 is under View update history – quality updates on my Windows 10 Pro.

        • #2349157
          PKCano
          Manager

          KB4023057 will install

          It may show under WU History, but it is not listed in WU installed updates.
          It installs as a program.

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      • #2349161
        Kathy70
        AskWoody Plus

        That makes sense. I’ve learned yet another new thing or two.

        So … is it OK to delete the 2 ‘in progress’ items in WuMgr?

        I would assume so, but this is the first time I’ve used it.

        Thanks so much!

        • #2349286
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Leave the WuMgr items, they will be tidied up next time you run it.

          cheers, Paul

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      • #2354264
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Today, it shows hidden when I run  wushowhide.  However, upon reboot (with metered connection on),  WU shows KB4023057 in the Q

        Use WUmgr, WUmt, WAU Manager..

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        • #2354281
          Tom-R
          AskWoody Plus

          Use WUmgr, WUmt, WAU Manager..

          I wholeheartedly agree.  I never fully trusted wushowhide anyway; since I always felt that Microsoft could render it useless at any time without warning.  Of the three alternate solutions, the one that has consistently worked for me has been WUMgr.  Over the past 18 months now, it has never once allowed an unwanted update to get thru to any of my Win10 systems.  (The others may be fine also; but I haven’t used them as much as WUMgr.)

          • #2354352
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            WUmgr, WUmt, WAU Manager

            ok thanks for the info. I am not familiar with this software.  Is it trustworthy?  Where does one get it?  I will check it out.  Donna

          • #2354355
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            OH!  I just posted my response and then clicked on “Windows Update”  Now the items I want hidden are hidden!!! Maybe it just took a little more time for it to update?  Anyway – seems there’s some consensus here that wushowhide is not good and the other software is better.  I have to admit, I started using wushowhide when PK referenced it in his instructions on how to clear the Update Q- so I’d been using it since then, following those instructions.

            https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/2000013-how-to-clear-the-windows-update-queue-in-win10/

            • #2354363
              PKCano
              Manager

              There is nothing wrong with wushowhide, although one of the posters keeps repeating that is is no good. That is simply WRONG. I use it exclusively b/c I use what MS offers most of the time instead of third-tarty blockers and fix-its. And Microsoft has NOT discounted and abandoned it in spite of what that poster says.

              Windows Update is static. When it does it’s routing scan, it cashes the list of updates until the next time it scans. That static cache is what you see in the Windows Update queue.

              wushowhide is dynamic. It does its own scan with the same Service as WU, but its listing is current. When you HIDE something, you have to wait till WU rescans on its own before it updates the cache/list of updates in the queue.

              See  AKB2000013 How to clear the Update queue for a more thorough explanation.

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              • #2354382
                DriftyDonN
                AskWoody Plus

                These patches/updates have been in my wushowhide que for months- every patch tues I add the newest ones. I then try to update when given the go ahead by aw but they dont install I use the manual method from the catalog using the list from the master patch list. WU checks every day and yet these are still hidden not installed.

                optional cumulative update preview (KB5000842) is in wu que, has been there for sometime now checked this a.m. as usual. Dont know why I am getting offered preview as I havent been getting them…

                win10 pro version 2004 (OS Bld 19041.870)

                how do i get rid of these?

              • #2354431
                DriftyDonN
                AskWoody Plus

                apologies for posting this here….off topic

      • #2354312
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        For fun I just instd WUMgr and In the Auto Update TAB the — Automatic Update (default) — is NOT Chk’d. We have users doing BOTH treatments, so I wonder HOW it matters.

        AND, both my WU History App and WUMgr show Jan-Feb-Mar CU’s as — IN PROGRESS — Vs Succeeded –. Is THAT unique to 20H2 and the Enablement Pkg approach?

         

        W10 Pro 21H1 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

      • #2354315
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        AND, both my WU History App and WUMgr show Jan-Feb-Mar CU’s as — IN PROGRESS — Vs Succeeded –. Is THAT unique to 20H2 and the Enablement Pkg approach?

        Edit gone B4 I could say Settings / Quality Updates History Does Show – Installed — , BUT just found a column for — In Progress — with ( 0x80242014) Code for ea CU. That Code talks of Updates needing a Re-Start but there have been many since any/all of them. Confused as to Which Update Completion Rating is correct: Installed or In Progress.

        W10 Pro 21H1 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

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      • #2354426
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        Sorry, BUT, at Install in the Auto Update Tab neither Disable Auto Update NOR Automatic Update (default) were checked. Knowing a Change required Re-Start I played around and checked Disable Automatic Update; Then I Clk’d Auto Update (default) and the dark circle moved BUT I could Not erase the Selection. Thinking a Close and Re-open with No Re-start would erase the last selection I found it does Not. A Re-Start Erased my Installed Updates and Hidden Updates — BUT They Remain in wushowhide. Only Installed Updates remain. I uninstalled this app once and just did it a 2nd time.

        The Re-Start apparently Chk’d by Itself – Hide the Settings WU Page – which caused me grief prior being unaware of this Setting, so now I have to re-install it to hopefully see Settings Update again.

        Add this to your experience manual……

        W10 Pro 21H1 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

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      • #2354481
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        For fun I just instd WUMgr

        WUmgr, WUmt, WAU, wushowhide are all portable. No installation is done.

      • #2354713
        dmt_3904
        AskWoody Plus

        I just want to confirm that wushowhide is working, for me.  When I posted earlier, I had not waited the appropriate amount of time for WU to catch up to the request to hide items.  When it updates, it does not show the hidden items in the Q.  I have used wushowhide twice since posting and it has worked flawlessly both times.

        • #2354790
          Tom-R
          AskWoody Plus

          … I had not waited the appropriate amount of time for WU to catch up to the request to hide items.

          That right there is the main problem with wushowhide.  It shouldn’t be necessary to wait an “appropriate amount of time” for changes to take effect.  When you hide any updates, they should be hidden immediately — or at the very least, as soon as the system is restarted.  That’s one of the reasons I’ve lost confidence in using wushowhide.

          Yes, WUMgr is a third-party utility; but it’s much more straightforward and responsive to use.  And, at least for me, it’s worked flawlessly for more than a year now.

          • #2354799
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            Yeah, it would be nice/more user-friendly if the updates were immediate and probably should be that way.  But, it works for me, so I’ll keep using it.  Good to know there’s other software out there that can be used, if needed.

      • #2361847
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10: Block/manage Updates with WuMgr (2021)

        Start about 2/3 down the page at the indented paragraphs (ie) At this point, however, two remarks – I have been in exchange with David Xanatos for a long time.

        Noted IT blogger Gunter Born delayed, But Now recommends  WUMgr WITH a  caveat: it addresses Malware potential — “Furthermore, the Win32 program file wumgr.exe suffers from the problem that a DLL hijacking is possible.” — in the app — with two ways to deal with it.

        I’m so busy defining – What is dark matter – Can someone make sense of this article’s suggestions and advise in layman’s terms what to do?

        W10 Pro 21H1 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

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        • #2361909
          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          I dunno, it seems to me that if malware could do this sort of thing on your system, then your security was already compromised and you’d have bigger things to worry about than whether some malicious DLL might get copied onto the WUMgr folder.

          If I were concerned about this happening but wished to keep using WUMgr, the first step I’d take would be to beef up my PC’s security. (You can find some ideas in the first link down in my signature line.) I might also think about the simpler of Born’s suggestions, copying the WUMgr files onto their own empty folder so that I could monitor what files go into it.

          As for changing the permissions, that’s one of those topics where my eyes glaze over as soon as I read the phrase “write permissions,”  😉  so someone else may be better able to handle that part.

          P.S. Everyone reading this might want to heed the note in Born’s post about Microsoft removing the download link for wushowhide.diagcab. Anybody who didn’t already have this little program will now have to get it from unofficial sources.

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          • #2376993
            Melvin
            AskWoody Plus

            P.S. Everyone reading this might want to heed the note in Born’s post about Microsoft removing the download link for wushowhide.diagcab. Anybody who didn’t already have this little program will now have to get it from unofficial sources.

            FYI, Microsoft re-signed the file with a SHA-2 cert. The tool itself is unchanged. For more details, reference Susan Bradley’s post last month: https://www.askwoody.com/2021/wushowhide-is-back/

            Win 10 Pro 64-bit, Office 2019.
            Win 7 Pro 64-bit, Office 2010.
            Nethermost of the technically literate.

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      • #2361963
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        I doubt anyone here will stop using WUMgr because of this .dll hijacking threat Gunter Born raises. I posted this just looking for clarification on a subject above my pay grade. I’m fine with my Security apps, BUT malware occurs on well protected systems so why not get some To-Do’s here?

        W10 Pro 21H1 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

      • #2362096
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        The two recommendations are simple enough for anyone to manage.

        1. Open Explorer and navigate to the folder that contains wumgr.exe.
          Make sure there are no other files in that folder apart from translation.ini and wumgr.ini.
          Run (double click) wumgr.exe.
        2. Make sure WuMgr is in a folder of its own – no other programs.
          In Explorer, right click on the folder containing WuMgr.
          Select Properties > Security.
          Click Edit.
          Select Authenticated Users.
          Scroll through the permissions until you get to Write.
          Tick the Deny box.
          Select OK and Yes.
          Close the Properties dialog.

        Item 2 will prevent anyone writing to the folder containing WuMgr. To undo this setting, remove the Deny Write permission.

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2362113
          CraigS26
          AskWoody Plus

          Open Explorer and navigate to the folder that contains wumgr.exe.
          Make sure there are — no other files in that folder —apart from translation.ini and wumgr.ini.

          Paul, do you have Tools/Defender Update in your Folder? I have  — C:\WUMgr\WuMgr_v1.1b\Tools\Defender Update) + Translation.ini + wumgr.exe + wumgr.ini ……  Thanks!!

          P.S. I’ll add, should anyone do these steps, that (for Me) the “Deny Write” step for the Folder produced an Error Msg that actually was false. The change Did occur in spite of an Access Denied popup.

          W10 Pro 21H1 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

          • #2362121
            Microfix
            AskWoody MVP

            All files within the parent folder of WuMgr 1.1b should be dated 16/12/2019 09:00 with the exception of wumgr.ini where the timestamp changes to the date and time on access.

            | Quality over Quantity |
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      • #2362115
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        The Tools folder is not a file, but I should have mentioned it.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2368641
        quiscit
        AskWoody Lounger

        WuMgr Help Request

        WuMgr is brand new to me and my questions are pretty elementary. Here’s where I’m at.

        I currently have Win8.1 and Win7 computers and wanted to experiment with WuMgr in a VM before upgrading anything to Win10.

        I created a Win 10 VM and disabled the network adapter before installing the latest Win10 ISO (10.0.19041.631) to prevent upgrade or feature additions by the installer. That should leave lots of updates for testing. After installation, I used a USB stick to transfer the WuMgr zip file and extracted it, configured it to Manual, Run in Background and Disable Automatic Updates. I reactivated network access and started WuMgr. Then I just let it run to see what would happen. Not everything was blocked.

        The first day, a message popped up unexpectedly announcing the addition of a feature. No idea what feature. This added four entries to the update download folder.

        The second day, at startup, there were two installed updates. First a driver update for my Epson printer. Next was a Windows Defender Intelligence update.

        Today, at startup, there are four more Windows Defender updates. Everything else appears to be blocked.

        So ‘Disable’ actually seems to mean ‘Disable, almost’. I’m not complaining, just want to learn how this thing works as I go along.

        I’d really appreciate any help to understand this behaviour.

        • #2368917
          Tom-R
          AskWoody Plus

          quiscit: Here’s a write-up I put together for myself just as a cheat sheet on what to do each month when updating my Win10 systems with WUMgr.

          Using-WUMgr-to-Update-a-Windows-10-System

          I can’t guarantee how well this will work on your systems; but on my Win10 systems where I’ve been following this procedure consistently for the past year now, I can report that there hasn’t been a single update installed that I haven’t explicitly selected via WUMgr.  So, at least for me, this procedure has been fully effective at stopping unwanted updates.

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          • #2368923
            Alex5723
            AskWoody Plus

            One problem with updating using WUmgr is the the process doesn’t update Windows Update history.

            • #2368943
              Tom-R
              AskWoody Plus

              I haven’t been carefully tracking the accuracy of the Windows Update History.  The main reason I use WUMgr is to stop Microsoft from pushing unwanted updates onto my systems.  And, at least in that regard, WUMgr has been working flawlessly.  If there are any inaccuracies or omissions in the History list, I can live with that.

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            • #2369023
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              WuMgr updated the history on my 20H2 box that I updated this morning.

              cheers, Paul

          • #2369085
            quiscit
            AskWoody Lounger

            Paul

            Thanks for the PDF. I’m trying it out on my test system to get the hang of things.

            quiscit

            • #2369087
              WCHS
              AskWoody Plus

              Thanks to @Tom-R, too 🙂

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              • #2369262
                WCHS
                AskWoody Plus

                Thanks to @Tom-R, too 🙂

                To @quiscit:
                In Nov 2020, made a post at Update in both places in wushowhide, because wushowhide was showing an update in both “Hide updates” and “Show hidden updates”. There were replies to use WUMgr instead. And after that I had a number of questions about how WuMgr worked. You might want to read some of the posts there, including @Tom-R‘s first post of his “Using WUMgr to Update a Windows 10 System ” at #2310864, after which he answered a number a questions I had about it.

      • #2368817
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I’ve only ever used this in addition to Windows Update and only in manual mode. I’ve not seen a write up on using it to replace WU.

        FWIW, I fire WUmgr up when required, hide / install whatever I want, close WUmgr.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2369289
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        WuMgr updated the history on my 20H2 box that I updated this morning.

        WUmgr hasn’t updated the Windows Update History (not WUmgr update history) on my PC for April CU, May CU (20H2), 21H1 upgrade.

        • #2369409
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          I wonder if that’s the update, not WuMgr. I have some failed update notifications in the log, but updates are now installed and WU says I’m up to date.
          The only update I installed this month is KB5003173.

          cheers, Paul

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          • #2369417
            Alex5723
            AskWoody Plus

            No failed updates.

            • #2369458
              WCHS
              AskWoody Plus

              and 20H2 kept your history before 20H2 and 21H1 kept your history in 20H2??
              Isn’t that strange? I thought that the installation of a new feature update erases the prior history

              When I installed 20H2, it erased my history before 20H2. I haven’t installed 21H1 yet, so I don’t know if it will erase the 20H2 history, but I presume it will.

      • #2376787
        MikeyD215
        AskWoody Plus

        If WuMgr is an “alternate method” then just what happens to Windows Update in Settings? Does WuMgr render WU inoperable?

        Say one wants to hide a particular update for a month or two, then after the bugs have been repaired to the update one wishes to install it, will it be hidden or available in Windows Update or does one have to return to WuMgr to unhide it first and then install it from there?

        In other, words does WuMgr clobber Windows Update or do they remain operable side by side? If Auto Update is unchecked in WuMgr, does Widows Update show updates “paused?” If Auto Update is checked, will an update show up in WU?

        w

        • #2376788
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          WUMger use WU to check for updates.
          As with WU in case of pause WUMger won’t show any updates, just like WU, until end of pause.
          WU continue to work as usual. Hidden updates in WUMgr will continue to be hidden for WU until unhidden and can be installed directly using WUMgr (that is what I do.)

      • #2376838
        krism
        AskWoody Plus

        To me the whole purpose of using this was in the Auto Update tab and clicking on “disable automatic update”

        If you don’t do that, you still get automatic updates.

        - ThinkPad T570-20HA, i7-7600U, 2.8GHz, UEFI/GPT, 16GB, Sammy 256GB M.2 NVMe PM961. -

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        • #2376916
          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          I agree. Since starting to use WUMgr, I haven’t gone into the Windows Updates portion of the newfangled Settings app at all. I don’t deal with “paused” vs. “deferred” (or whatever) updates, I simply use WUMgr which operates a lot like the Updates applet did in Vista and 7.

           

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        • #2376949
          Tom-R
          AskWoody Plus

          In addition to selecting “Disable Automatic Update“, I also make sure that I select the option to “Disable Update Facilitators“.  I’m not sure if it’s absolutely necessary to add that option; but I do it just to be doubly sure.

          A while ago (back in mid-2019) I had a system configured without that option; and it appeared that the system did get an update somehow in spite of WUMgr having Automatic Update disabled.  I don’t have the details anymore, and admittedly it was quite a while ago; so I don’t really know what happened anymore in that particular case.  However, for the past couple years now, I’ve consistently included the option to “Disable Update Facilitators” on all my Win 10 systems; and since doing that I’ve never seen a single update get thru without me explicitly selecting it.  Just FYI.

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          • #2376957
            Bob99
            AskWoody Plus

            Although I don’t use WUMgr, it sounds like the setting of “Disable Update Facilitators” makes WUMgr automatically hide KB4023057 when it appears each time, so you don’t have to worry about hiding it every two or three months when a new edition seems to show up!

            Just sayin’!

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      • #2377015
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        If you disable automatic update, does Defender still update both definitions and engine?

        cheers, Paul

        • #2377039
          Tom-R
          AskWoody Plus

          From what I can tell, once you select “Disable Automatic Update“, it will do exactly that — no updates get done automatically.  At least, that’s what I’ve seen on my systems.  It’s not a big deal for me though.  On the systems that regularly connect to the Internet for normal everyday browsing and email, I have third-party antivirus to protect against malware.  And that third-party software continues to get automatically updated, regardless of WUMgr.  So I don’t rely solely on Windows Defender on those systems.

          On one system that’s running dedicated applications (with limited Internet access, rather than for general web browsing) I still do rely on Windows Defender without the third-party antivirus.  But on that system I just manually do a check for definition updates around once a week — for Defender only.  I can do that without touching or making changes to WUMgr.  And, of course, once a month I do a full Check for Updates with WUMgr on all my systems, which updates everything I select, including Defender.

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      • #2377124
        krism
        AskWoody Plus

        I have tended to update defender every few days, and the one-month-behind thing every month. Sometimes there are also hardware updates specific to my hardware and I generally take them as well, after I have backed up that computer.

        - ThinkPad T570-20HA, i7-7600U, 2.8GHz, UEFI/GPT, 16GB, Sammy 256GB M.2 NVMe PM961. -

      • #2377508
        BillH
        AskWoody Plus

        I have some questions on how to use WuMgr.  I was following along with some of the replies which say to Disable Automatic Update in WuMgr.  Here is my quandry.

        I have updates paused in WU.  I just installed WuMgr.  When I use the double arrows button to search for updates, it doesn’t find any.

        Is that because I have WU paused?  I don’t want to un-pause WU because if I do won’t the updates start applying right away?

        If I first set WuMgr to Disable Automatic Updates and then try to unpause WU, the WU Settings Page is hidden so I can’t un-pause updates in WU.

        How do I get it so that I can pick and choose which updates to apply using WuMgr if I currently have WU paused?  What steps do I need to take?

        Any help much appreciated.

        Thanks,
        Bill

        • #2377543
          Tom-R
          AskWoody Plus

          BillH: If you’ve set WUMgr to not just “Disable Automatic Update“, but to also “Disable Update Facilitators” (and you’ve rebooted the system after doing that), then you should be OK to un-pause updates.  At that point, WUMgr should prevent WU from downloading and installing anything.  I’ve attached the procedure that I’ve been using successfully for the past couple years to this post here.

          Using-WUMgr-to-Update-a-Windows-10-System

          Basically I don’t concern myself with the Windows Update settings.  In fact, in WUMgr, I include the option to “Hide WUSettings Page“; since I don’t even want (or have a need) to see it.  You can basically follow the same procedure unless you really want to continue to see the WUSettings — in which case just don’t select the option to hide it.

        • #2377548
          krism
          AskWoody Plus

          I have a nasty feeling that you must unpause everything in WU before turning on Disable Automatic Updates.

           

          BUT, I do not know.

          - ThinkPad T570-20HA, i7-7600U, 2.8GHz, UEFI/GPT, 16GB, Sammy 256GB M.2 NVMe PM961. -

          • #2377555
            Tom-R
            AskWoody Plus

            krism:  In WUMgr, you can select “Automatic Update (default)“, which won’t take effect until after a reboot.  But you can also keep or select the option in WUMgr to “Block Access to WU Servers“.  If Windows Update can’t get to the WU Servers, then there should be no way for WU to search for or download any updates.

            And if you’ve unselected the option to “Hide WU Settings Page“, you can also feel free to go and pause or un-pause updates as well.  Without access to the WU Servers, no updates should be available to Windows Update.  At least that’s what my experience has been.

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      • #2377561
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        I have a nasty feeling that you must unpause everything in WU before turning on Disable Automatic Updates.

         

        BUT, I do not know.

        Another way to get around this might be to disconnect your PC completely from the Internet (meaning: no Ethernet and no Wi-Fi), then unpause the updates in Settings, and then finally disable automatic updates in WUMgr as @Tom-R recommends. Then you could reconnect to the Internet.

         

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        • #2377563
          BillH
          AskWoody Plus

          Cybertooth,

          That would have worked as well for me.  I took a bit of a different approach because I had not thought of this.

          Thanks,
          Bill

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      • #2377562
        BillH
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks for the replies and info Tom-R and krism.

        The only way I could convert to WuMgr from WU while updates were paused in WU was as follows:

        1. In WuMgr I left Automatic Update (default) selected and also selected Block Access to WU Servers.  This allowed me to leave Hide WU Settings Pane unselected.

        2. I did a restart.

        3. In Windows I went to the Update & Security > Windows Update settings and un-paused updates.  I then did a check for updates to ensure nothing would get installed.  I got an error, “Error Encountered We couldn’t connect to the update service.”.  So all good there.

        4. I then went into WuMgr and unselected Block Access to WU Servers.  Now I have only Automatic Update (default) and Include Drivers selected on the Auto Update tab.

        With these settings I had WuMgr look for updates and it found the July Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 21H1 and also an update for the Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool.  I was able to hide these for now and can install them later.

        Hope this helps anyone else that might be as confused as I was about how to get WuMgr working when WU had updates paused.

        Bill

        EDIT:

        After thinking about it I went back in and selected Block Access to WU Servers just to ensure no updates would get unintentionally installed.  When I want to check for updates or install updates in WuMgr, I can deselect this option, do the check or install, and then reselect this option.

         

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      • #2377574
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I have updates paused in WU.  I just installed WuMgr.  When I use the double arrows button to search for updates, it doesn’t find any.

        WUmgr use WU when checking for updates. If there is a pause/deferral WUmgr won’t find any just like WU won’t find any.

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        • #2377655
          BillH
          AskWoody Plus

          Alex5723,

          Thanks for the reply.  Yes… I finally figured that this is what was happening.

          Bill

      • #2377578
        krism
        AskWoody Plus

        Lots of good ideas up there. I will bow out of this conversation.

        - ThinkPad T570-20HA, i7-7600U, 2.8GHz, UEFI/GPT, 16GB, Sammy 256GB M.2 NVMe PM961. -

      • #2381081
        Perq
        AskWoody Plus

        FYI: There is some additional/partial info here about how WuMgr works if you want to pursue it. Unfortunately there is no other official documentation in one place. This is a trial and error learning app :-).

        https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr/issues

        (see both tabs for Open and Closed Issues)

         

        :W10Pro 20H2 19042.1110
        Dell OptiPlex 990

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