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Wayne
AskWoody PlusThis sounds like a good idea but my Ransomware protection page says “Controlled folder access requires turning on Real-time protection.” What’s that and how do I do it?
Is it related to my having Avira Antivirus (free version) installed and working?
If I don’t like it, what happens if I turn it off?
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GuestSomewhere you had noted “…Malwarebytes is one of a very few AV programs (possibly also Immunet) which don’t have to take over the Windows Security Center…”
But I found that Immunet does take it over and doesn’t have an option to de-couple.
Cheers,
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rc primak
AskWoody_MVPI only said “possibly”. Immunet used to advertise that they’re compatible with Windows Defender and could run simultaneously. I guess that’s changed. This seems to have changed with more recent updates to Windows 10. It wasn’t a change in Immunet. See:
https://support.immunet.com/topic/6942-how-to-run-without-disable-windows-defender/
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https://support.immunet.com/topic/6573-option-to-enabledisable-security-centre-integration/
Also, the term is “register with the Windows Security Center”. If a third-party program has an option not to do this,it will leave Windows Defender available. Usually not recommended.
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AskWoody PlusIf I read the first ransomware protection advice correctly, it requires the use of One Drive and moving all data files to a central controlled folder. Am I correct? All my data are in an external drive, I never use One Drive as I do not really trust the cloud. Can the entire external drive be the “controlled folder”?
I have Malwarebytes which includes ransomware protection: is this not enough?
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ManagerIf I read the first ransomware protection advice correctly, it requires the use of One Drive and moving all data files to a central controlled folder. Am I correct?
No. Fred said;
If you use OneDrive, I think the ransomware data recovery option is nice to have — but it’s not a deciding factor in itself. The main protection — Controlled folder access — works just fine with or without OneDrive.
All my data are in an external drive, I never use One Drive as I do not really trust the cloud. Can the entire external drive be the “controlled folder”?
Yes:
You can also specify network shares and mapped drives.
I have Malwarebytes which includes ransomware protection: is this not enough?
Probably.
Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1778 + Microsoft 365 + Edge
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iccohen1
AskWoody PlusAlways enjoy reading Fred’s articles. But this one has thrown me for a loop. I have a Win 10 PC Home Edition, and went to enable the Ransomware settings. But when I do, I get the “Page not available – Your IT administrator has limited access to some areas…”.
Well, I didn’t recall seeing THAT message before. So first thing, I disabled the Immunet anti-virus I downloaded (per the suggestion from Deanna McElveen in the last issue of Woody’s), that didn’t work. Reviewed stuff on Google, they all said “Group Policy Settings,, blah blah blah” can’t do that, I have Home Edition.
I have Malwarebytes (Free Edition, passive) CryptoPrevent (which I also disabled) and Windows Defender Firewall, as well as the above-mentioned anti-virus. Should I try using the “hidden” Admin account as noted on this page? https://appuals.com/fix-your-it-administrator-has-limited-access/.
This is quite frustrating.
Cheers,
-Steve Cohen
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AskWoody PlusYou might try looking at this post:
Plus what Amy and others said about running multiple AVs.
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AskWoody PlusNot to mention… many third-party anti-virus/security solutions, like Bitdefender (which I use), provide the same Controlled Folder Access method of protecting against ransomware. So, turning on the feature in Windows Security at the same time would be a duplication of effort — and, basically overkill. 🙂
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PBear.SFtcc089
AskWoody PlusSo, we can’t have a third-party AV solution in place if we want MS’s ransomware protection. With all due respect to Fred who I enjoy reading above all else, perhaps that could have been stated in the article upfront. And the Windows behavior itself in this respect sounds like another example of MS trying to make sure you use their products, and no one else’s. That’s a real shame. Oh well. Many thanks for raising the topic nonetheless Fred.
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Wayne
AskWoody PlusFor what it’s worth, I have the impression that many if not all of the AskWoody gurus are happy enough with the most recent version of MS Defender to use it in place of their previous antivirus favourites. I recall several occasions and at least one forum discussion stating that MS has upped its antivirus game to match the third-party antivirus programs and therefore does an adequate job of defense—or even better than adequate according to comparison tests. Some gurus mentioned it might integrate better with Windows, causing fewer conflicts or problems and saving the space that third-party programs occupy.
On the other hand, Avira has served me well for years and years (as far as I know anyway) so I’m very reluctant to change horses . . .
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cmar6
AskWoody PlusRG:
Could you explain how you enabled Controlled Folder Access?
I have the same setup as you do with Windows Defender enabled but get error message. Unfortunately Fred does not explain this in his article. In fact, he implies one should be able to enable Controlled Folder Access as long as Windows Defender is enabled.
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AskWoody PlusI just went to turn it on and had no issues (I am using Windows Defender, along with scheduled MalwareBytes manual scans). I have several data storage drives on my pc, which weren’t protected by default at startup. It turns out to be fairly simple to enable protection for these drives, as well. Open Control Panel > (System Properties) System Protection. Click on the drive of interest in the Protection Settings box to select it. Then click on Configure and click the Turn on system protection radio button to enable it. Next, set an amount of Disk Space Usage (say 5%), and finally, click on OK. Repeat as necessary. Done.
All the documention I found via Google referred to OneDrive, which is not what I needed. The above procedure turned the trick for me.
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ManagerI have several data storage drives on my pc, which weren’t protected by default at startup. It turns out to be fairly simple to enable protection for these drives, as well. Open Control Panel > (System Properties) System Protection. Click on the drive of interest in the Protection Settings box to select it. Then click on Configure and click the Turn on system protection radio button to enable it. Next, set an amount of Disk Space Usage (say 5%), and finally, click on OK. Repeat as necessary. Done.
That’s to create System Restore points, which don’t include user data files, so it’s unconnected with ransomware protection.
Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1778 + Microsoft 365 + Edge
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rc primak
AskWoody_MVPMalwarebytes is one of a very few AV programs (possibly also Immunet) which don’t have to take over the Windows Security Center and prevent using features like Protected Folders (anti-ransomware). Just don’t check the box which allows these programs to “Integrate with the Windows Security Center”.
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Carl D
AskWoody LoungerBeen using Windows 10’s ransomware protection for some time now.
I have to allow an exception to Paint Shop Pro 9 (which still works with Windows 10 after 15 years or so) or the program refuses to start, I get an error message. Probably because PSP9 needs access to the My PSP Files folder in Documents.
I also can’t save anything scanned with my Epson scanner/printer (the default save location is Documents) unless I allow an exception there (or temporarily disable the ransomware protection).
Also, downloading images with Firefox seems to be a bit of a “hit and miss affair” with W10’s ransomware protection enabled – sometimes it lets me download the image, sometimes it won’t and I get a similar error message to PSP9. I usually just temporarily disable it in these cases.
But, overall I believe the benefits of having the ransomware protection turned on definitely outweighs the possible inconveniences.
PC1: Gigabyte B560M D2V Motherboard, Intel i5 11400 CPU, 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 870 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 22H2 64bit.
PC2: Asus H81M-PLUS Motherboard, Intel i3-4160 CPU, 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 870 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Home 22H2 64bit.1 user thanked author for this post.
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CardcaptorRLH85
AskWoody LoungerI’ve noticed a problem with setting up this ransomware protection. I don’t get notifications when something is blocked. Various programs have just been silently failing in the background when they try to access one of the protected folders. Is there a way to make sure that I actually get prompted to allow apps when they try to access a protected folder?
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Amy Babinchak
ManagerOpen Defender, now called Security. Down at the bottom on the menu there’s a gear. Click that to go into settings. Make sure the slider for Get informational notifications is on. Under it also make sure that the box for Files or Activities are blocked is checked. That should do it.
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AskWoody_MVPAre these drives ever connected to the computer(s) when it/they is/are connected to the Internet? Even if not, if a PC EVER connects to the Internet, it can download delayed malware which can encrypt all drives which get attached from then onward. But your scheme seems better than most home networks in preventing unrecoverable ransomware attacks.
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Alex5723
AskWoody Plusransomware isn’t exactly at the top of my list of worries
If you have a dormant ransomware on your system, no restore will help as your backups will be contaminated as well.
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rgmwilliams
AskWoody PlusI read Fred Langa’s article on Ransomeware; I appreciated being informed of this security utility within Win10.
I turned on ransomeware. When I first tried running a program, as expected, it had issues with saving. I went into ransomeware and authorized it to read the directory it needed to. This happened to one other program as well. All fine and good.
I notice, however, that it didn’t have problems with Office 365 saving, nor Notepad++. Both of those programs seem to work fine, without any assistance.
I’m on Winver 1909.
Why would this be? Thank you.
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E Pericoloso Sporgersi
AskWoody PlusIt comes down to either you want Defender or you don’t.
I beg to disagree.
See my post
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/more-on-win10s-ransomware-protection/#post-2341838
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Both tweaked to look, behave and feel like Windows 95pastorjoe
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ManagerClicking anywhere in the notification takes you to Start, Settings, Update & Security, Windows Security, Virus & threat protection, Manage ransomware protection, Block history where you can click on the latest entry at the top and then Actions, Allow on device (after UAC prompt) as shown in the article: “Click on the popup, and you’re brought to the Protection history dialog (see Figure 2).“
Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1778 + Microsoft 365 + Edge
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AskWoody MVPI have well over 20,000 photos with the oldest going back to the 1850s. These are precious to me, so I would be distraught to lose them. They are of no value to anyone else. Similarly a lot of information that’s important to me. I don’t think I have anything that’s dangerous, but wouldn’t want anyone making use of my photos or information to scam other people.
I suspect many others will have similar stories to tell.
Eliminate spare time: start programming PowerShell
Alex5723
AskWoody Plusdangerous
It has nothing to do with dangerous.
People have bank documents, stock documents, confidential lawyers documents, company documents…A lose / lockout could be disastrous.Microfix
AskWoody MVPDon’t need to is my answer.
We have NO personal/sensitive files or docs on any of our PC’s
External Drives/ USB flash only connected when required to read/transfer for emailing later or updating them (offline) and having regular system image backups as a failsafe should anything happen. All that we’d lose is the OS with portable apps that can be restored in 20mins or so.
Our ransomware risk scenario is therefor minimised.Keeping IT Lean, Clean and Mean!Alex5723
AskWoody PlusExternal Drives/ USB flash only connected when required to read/transfer for emailing later or updating them (offline) and having regular system image backups as a failsafe should anything happen
The moment you connect your USB drives/USB flash the data maybe encrypted by a dormant ransomware app. the dormant ransomware app can be found also on your backup drives/cloud..
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ManagerAnd the backup drives you connect to image Windows 10 don’t contain anything you wouldn’t want to lose? (The dormant app would be the unknown ransomware which could wait for eternal drives to be connected.)
Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1778 + Microsoft 365 + Edge
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Microfix
AskWoody MVPI don’t backup W10 when testing/using it, W10 has inbuilt albeit prompted functionality to self heal hence foregoing backups. Which is one of the progressive improving things in W10, specifically DISM
Considering ransomware is primarily actioned against business, my train of thought is it’s scaremongering homeusers into a security frenzy where logic has left the building.Keeping IT Lean, Clean and Mean! -
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AskWoody_MVP(The dormant app would be the unknown ransomware which could wait for eternal drives to be connected.)
“eternal drives”? (Yeah, I know it’s a typo, but I wonder just how slow your USB bus must be 🙂 !)
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Mele20
AskWoody Loungerdangerous
It has nothing to do with dangerous.
People have bank documents, stock documents, confidential lawyers documents, company documents…A lose / lockout could be disastrous.Why would anyone do what you describe? That’s risky. Keep paper records only and keep copies of those that are irreplaceable in your safety deposit box…you do have one don’t you? If you have lots of photos on your computer surely you make backups to CD/DVD’s and surely you support Dell as one of the few (if not only major computer maker today) which still includes CD/DVD Rom drives on their desktops…you do have a desktop don’t you?
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AskWoody_MVPEqually sensible is to have hard copies and off-site backups if the stuff is that important. For photos, cloud storage is also a practical safeguard. Encrypt before uploading anything, even image files, if you don’t want prying eyes to see it.
-- rc primak
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AskWoody PlusLANGALIST Have you enabled Win10’s ransomware protection? By Fred Langa This free, optional feature is disabled by default but, if enabled, can help p
[See the full post at: Have you enabled Win10’s ransomware protection?]Yes, Ransomware protection enabled for a month or two. It asked to allow a few Controlled Folder Access’es and that’s it. A little more protection with no overhead that i notice.
Regular Backups of everything.
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Paul T
AskWoody MVPConsidering ransomware is primarily actioned against business
Not so, ransomware targets anyone who can pay.
A home PC owner is likely to have photos, email etc that is as important to them as any business data.cheers, Paul
Steven
AskWoody PlusI’ve enabled this and for the most part, no problem. I receive an notice from time to time referring to a known application, related to what I know is happening. So sweat. However, I also get odd ones that are a puzzle, such as:
Protected memory access blocked
App or process blocked: taskhostw.exe
Protected folder: \Device\CdRom0Where the heck does this come from?
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Paul T
AskWoody MVPCFA must use a database of allowed actions, but some actions will have been missed, or are considered both good and bad.
I’m sure MS have a document on this, but I’m also sure you don’t want to wander through it to understand some minor technical detail.If things are still working and you think you need the protection, ignore the errors.
Note: this is not a substitute for regular backups.
cheers, Paul
Vincenzo
AskWoody PlusIn Norton 360, their “Data Protection” feature is configured as shown here.
I’ve never heard a peep out of it, so not sure if it works.I would think that somewhere along the line i would have used a web app that would not be in their whitelist that created a file that I saved to my docs folder.
Or maybe it just has a very comprehensive whitelist.
Or maybe it’s smart enough to know that if I am using the download/Save To function, that it is not a risk?
https://support.norton.com/sp/en/us/home/current/solutions/v130571264
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Hamsa Vicerra
AskWoody LoungerThis has been such an interesting and very useful thread. Thanks, Fred, for starting it. Because of it I’ve discovered that I only have Windows Firewall With Advanced Security, which shows no option for ransomware protection, so I need to install something like Malwarebytes or Avira that will provide it.
I have an OEM refurb laptop that had Win 10 installed in 2016. Is that why I have Windows Firewall instead of Windows Security?
Thanks,
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b
ManagerIn order to take advantage of the advanced security offering in Defender you can’t run a third party anti-virus too. It comes down to either you want Defender or you don’t.
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cmar6
AskWoody Plus“In order to take advantage of the advanced security offering in Defender you can’t run a third party anti-virus too. It comes down to either you want Defender or you don’t.”
Like many people, I have Defender with third party AV.
Fred is not clear on this issue: running Defender with third party AV–how does one turn on Windows Security?
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AskWoody MVPHey Y’all,
I’ve been running Defender as my main A/V and Malwarebytes Premium as secondary (non registered) for years w/o issue on multiple machines. I’ve just successfully enabled Controlled Folder Access with no issues on my main driver. I’ll report back if any problems arise.
HTH 😎
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AskWoody PlusSo using third party AV in addition to Defender turns off Windows Security?
3rd party A/Vs usually disable Defender. I find some are better than Defender so no lost security.
Some A/Vs like Malwarebytes work with Defender ON so you have double security.Drac144
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ManagerWhere do you see that Microsoft Defender is running if not at Windows Security?
Nevertheless, if for some reason you really want to use Controlled Folder Access in conjunction with Emsisoft Anti-Malware, simply:
Open the Start Menu
Type “Emsisoft Anti-Malware”
Open the app
Click Settings
In the Windows Integration section, untick Activate Security Center IntegrationThis will reactivate Windows Defender and you will gain access to Controlled Folder Access. Emsisoft Anti-Malware will not be listed in the Windows Defender Security Center, but it will still be functioning and protecting you as usual. However, as mentioned, it is not necessary to have both activated and we recommend against doing so.
By default, Controlled Folder Access is disabled. If you wish to enable it, follow these steps:
Open the Start Menu
Type “Windows Defender Security Center” and open the app
Select Virus & threat protection
Click Virus & threat protection settings
Scroll down until you find the Controlled folder access section
Click the on/off toggle to enable the featureOnce Controlled Folder Access is enabled, you can use the Protected folders sub-option to select which folders you wish to protect (e.g. folders containing important photos, documents and other personal files). Windows system folders are protected by default. You can also use the Allow an app through Controlled folder access section to create a whitelist of trusted programs that are allowed to modify files in the protected folders.
EMSISOFT Blog: What does Windows’ new Ransomware protection actually do?
Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1778 + Microsoft 365 + Edge
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cmar6
AskWoody Plusb: Thanks for the detailed advice on using EAM with Controlled folder access.
However, this is what I read on Emsisoft forum from 11/2017
“Despite Microsoft making some improvements to its security software in recent years, Windows Defender remains far from a perfect solution. In fact, in a recent AV-Test assessment of 18 security Windows 10 security suites, Windows Defender tied for last place due to sub-par protection and performance. The vast majority of our users do not need to worry about activating Controlled Folder Access because Emsisoft Anti-Malware provides much better protection against ransomware. Controlled Folder Access also requires Windows Defender to be activated in order to work, and we generally recommend not using two antivirus products at the same time.”
This 2017 post is a bit out of date as EAM now uses Windows Defender as firewall.
Thanks, cma
Alex5723
AskWoody PlusThis 2017 post is a bit out of date
but still true.
Defender isn’t up to the best 3rd party A/Vs.
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/microsoft-defender-home-failed-av-test-best-anti-virus-2021/-
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ManagerDefender isn’t up to the best 3rd party A/Vs.
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/microsoft-defender-home-failed-av-test-best-anti-virus-2021/From the first paragraph at your linked link:
However, AV-TEST had a somewhat different opinion as its report showed Microsoft Defender doing exceptionally well in the second half of the year reports, scoring full marks in both the October 2021 test and the December 2021 assessment.
… which includes links to:
AV-TEST confirms Windows Defender is amongst the very finest antiviruses you get in 2021
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Microsoft Defender beats out several heavyweight rivals in the latest AV-TEST ranking
If AV-TEST rates Microsoft Defender as Outstanding (6/6) for Protection, Performance and Usability, with 100% detection of both 0-day and prevalent malware, which 3rd party A/V scores better?
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AskWoody MVPI don’t use controlled folder access, I use a library of partition images (in triplicate, two offline) as well as a couple of sets of full drive images, also stored offline.
As for Microsoft Defender and Malwarebytes Premium, I have Malwarebytes Premium registered with Security Center Integration activated and it does NOT turn off Microsoft Defender in my setup, not in Windows 10 and not in Windows 11.
Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do to our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.Viewing 34 reply threads -

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