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    • #217622 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Another one of those leisurely Friday afternoon news dumps. Or maybe it was morning in Redmond. Anyway, Win7 and 8.1 just got KB 4463376 Cumulative up
      [See the full post at: Heads up: New cumulative update KB 4463376 for Internet Explorer on Win7, 8.1]

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    • #217632 Reply

      PKCano
      AskWoody MVP

      Group B (and anyone else interested)

      AKB2000003 has been updated 9/14/2018 to include KB 4463376 Cumulative Update for Win7/8.1

    • #217641 Reply

      Demeter
      AskWoody Lounger

      How do I know if I want it? Win 7 Pro, x64, i7Core Haswell, Grp. A

      • #217646 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        KB 4463376 is an IE11 Cumulative Update for Win7/8.1′ The MS pages say:

        This cumulative update includes improvements and fixes for Internet Explorer 11 running on Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, and resolves the following issue:

        Internet Explorer performance is decreased when you use roaming profiles or you don’t use the Microsoft Compatibility List.

        It is being offered as a Catalog download only at this time. It MAY be included in the 2018-09 Preview Rollup if one is issued, and most likely be included in Nov Monthly Rollup.

        If you need the fix after installing the 2018-09 Monthly Rollup (Group A) and before the Nov Rollup is issued, you will need to download it from the Catalog and manually install it.

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        • #217659 Reply

          geekdom
          AskWoody Lounger

          I’m leaving this one alone. No installation here. I’ll wait to see where and when it eventually lands.

          Group G{ot backup} Win7 · x64 · SP1 · i3-3220 · TestBeta
        • #217709 Reply

          Kirsty
          AskWoody MVP

          From Bogdan Popa, on Softpedia.com (Sept. 15th):

          Today, for instance, the software giant has published cumulative update KB4463376 for Windows 7 and 8.1, and the target is Internet Explorer on these two OS versions.

          Despite being a cumulative update, which technically means that it brings several fixes, as well as the improvements that Microsoft has previously released too, KB4463376 comes with just a single fix, as the company itself explains:
          … (same details @pkcano posted)

          At least theoretically, there’s a chance that other improvements and fixes are included as well, only that Microsoft hasn’t mentioned them in the official release notes.

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          • #217715 Reply

            abbodi86
            AskWoody MVP

            Typical Softpedia nonesence
            the title alone is so idiotically wrong, not to mention the silly comparation with Windows 10 CU
            IE updates were always cumulative since IE8 and Windows XP

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          • #218150 Reply

            cesmart4125
            AskWoody Lounger

            @kirsty  @pkcano Please tell me how to use the MS Update Catalog.  I notice there are two versions of KB 4463376 listed.  Which do I want?  My OS is 32-bit Windows 7 Pro SP1.

            Thanks in advance for your help.

            Charles

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            • #218153 Reply

              Microfix
              AskWoody MVP

              Why not use: AKB 2000003 to download it’s there for everyone’s convenience 😉

              | W8.1 Pro x64 | Linux x64 Hybrids | W7 Pro x64 O/L | XP Pro O/L
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            • #218154 Reply

              PKCano
              AskWoody MVP

              You need the one that says Win7 for 32-bit (x86). There is a link at the top of this page to AKB2000003, Look under Win7 and the KB number (about 2/3 down the page) and click on the 32-bit link. That is a direct download from the MS Catalog.

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    • #217653 Reply

      anonymous

      i’m curious if KB4457426 still needs to be installed before KB4463376 or not ?

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    • #217674 Reply

      ch100
      AskWoody MVP

      We have Microcode Updates for Windows 10 in WSUS and Catalog, if this was not already mentioned elsewhere.

    • #217692 Reply

      anonymous

      I don’t use IE, but this isn’t a security update is it?

      • #217699 Reply

        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        kb4457426 is the initial IE11 security fix released 11th Sept 2018 that whilst addressing security issues, also creates a performance degradation in IE11 (integral to both W7 and W8.1)

        kb4463376 is the latest IE11 Security fix released 14th Sept 2018 that fixes the performance degradation as well as overwrites kb4457426 OR can be installed without the need for kb4457426.

        So, kb4463376 IS a security fix for both SO and SQMR patches irrespective of whether you use IE or not.

        | W8.1 Pro x64 | Linux x64 Hybrids | W7 Pro x64 O/L | XP Pro O/L
          No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT - AE
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    • #217753 Reply

      plodr
      AskWoody Lounger

      I go to the catalog and download the month’s Security only updates and archive them until I’m ready to install. This usually now comes at the beginning of the next month when I’m brave enough and only after I’ve made an image of our four Win 7 computers.

      I’ve now taken to even wait to download the month’s security only updates because they keep changing. I’ll wait another week to see what other surprises MS offers up for Win 7 and 8.1 users.

      Thanks for the heads up on avoiding 4457426 and getting 4463376 instead.

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      • #217799 Reply

        SueW
        AskWoody Lounger

        I also think it’s a good idea to wait, given the periodic updates to the updates.  I used to download and hold as soon PK updated AKB2000003.  Now I’ll only download just before I’m ready to update my system — and after Woody gives a DEFCON of 3 of better.

        Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

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        • #217800 Reply

          PKCano
          AskWoody MVP

          The links in AKB2000003 are direct download links to the Catalog. By using them,  you will get only whatever the current update is, as if you went to the Catalog yourself..

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    • #217755 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody MVP

      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer
      "svcKBFWLink"="https://aka.ms/IECU1809C"

      1809C = September 2018 C-Week update 😀

      • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  abbodi86.
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    • #217763 Reply

      anonymous

      For those wanting to learn a little bit more about the Microsoft Compatibility list, and how to enable it within IE and how to get it updated on a “regular” basis (or as regular as MS wants to update it) here’s a link directly from Microsoft:

      https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/f3d29fd9-c3a3-428d-9c86-2b9897643f87/ie-11-get-compatibility-list-from-microsoft?forum=ieitprocurrentver

      After reading through the thread in the link above, I feel it’s possible to not even need KB4463376. It fixes a slow IE response time if you’re not using the Microsoft Compatibility List, so why not just enable the list in the first place and be done with it, unless you do have a need to use roaming profiles, such as in a networking environment with clients run off of servers.

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    • #217784 Reply

      cesmart4125
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’m not planning on installing this immediately, but want to be ready to install it shortly before next month’s updates.

      I just went to the MS Update catalogue and was unable to find kb 4463376.  What is the trick to find this update and then download it using the update catalogue?  Thanks in advance for your help with this.

      Charles

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      • #217787 Reply

        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb4463376
        Came up straight away..
        kb patches don’t have a space between kb and number 🙂

        | W8.1 Pro x64 | Linux x64 Hybrids | W7 Pro x64 O/L | XP Pro O/L
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      • #217798 Reply

        Sueska
        AskWoody Lounger

        I found it impossible to find using my usual search criteria. In the catalog the title of the IE cumulative security updates are generally labeled something like Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 11 … (terms which are searchable)
        The title name in the catalog for kb4463376 is simply 2018-9 Update for Windows (8.1,Server,7, ect)… which does not even include the term Internet Explorer. Thanks to Woody and others for bringing this update to our attention.

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    • #217803 Reply

      ashfan212
      AskWoody Lounger

      Question – for those like me in Group A, would an update such as KB4463376 be part of the cumulative security and quality rollup update for Oct-18, either directly or indirectly via the Oct-18 monthly rollup preview?

      • #217805 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        KB4463376 will probably included in the 2018-09 Preview Rollup to be released on September C or D Tuesday (18th, 25th, or whenever MS gets around to it).
        It will be a part of the 2018-10 Security Monthly Quality Rollup released on October Patch Tuesday.

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        • #218903 Reply

          ashfan212
          AskWoody Lounger

          Hi PKCano,

          From what I could glean from the description of the Sep-18 Preview Rollup KB4457139 for Windows 7, the IE11 fix of KB4463376 was not incorporated therein. If it were, I would imagine that the Microsoft support page for this month’s preview rollup would contain a link to KB4463376.

          I know that you believed that the IE11 fix resolved by KB4463376 would definitely be incorporated within October’s cumulative monthly rollup. My question would be whether a direct link to KB4463376 within the support page for next month’s rollup is the preferred way to tell whether Microsoft did indeed incorporate the fix in October’s monthly rollup. I am not sure if Microsoft’s protocol would be to embed a link versus using a vague textual description in the support page.

          • #218910 Reply

            PKCano
            AskWoody MVP

            There will not be a link to the standalone IE patch in the Preview or the Rollup pages b/c it would be incorporated into the later patch. So you don’t need the standalone fix.

            Where you would find the information on the MS pages is in the list of fixes included in the Preview/Rollup. I don’t see the fix listed in the Preview pages. It is certain to be in the Rollup for Oct.

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      • #217807 Reply

        Bob99
        AskWoody Lounger

        In light of @pkcano ‘s statement (#217805)just above this post:

        If you use IE as your regular go-to browser, and don’t like the idea of waiting until we get a green light to install the October patches, as indicated in @pkcano ‘s post right above this one (#217805), it would be a good idea to download the patch using the links provided above in @microfix ‘s post to the Microsoft Update Catalog. Download it and keep it for future use. Don’t install it yet.

        Once you’re ready to have Windows Update install the September Security Monthly Quality Rollup, after we go to DEFCON 3 or higher for the September patches, go ahead and do so, rebooting when you’re asked to.

        After rebooting, go ahead and launch IE to see how it does in its’ performance with loading and allowing you to browse sites. If it performs very poorly or is really sluggish, double click on the patch you downloaded from the Microsoft Update Catalog and let it run, rebooting afterwards. This should fix your sluggishness.

        I hope this helps you in your decision.

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    • #217809 Reply

      ashfan212
      AskWoody Lounger

      In light of @pkcano ‘s statement just above this post: If you use IE as your regular, go-to browser, it would be a good idea to download the patch using the links provided above in @microfix ‘s post to the Microsoft Update Catalog. Download it and keep it for future use. Don’t install it yet. Once you’re ready to have Windows Update install the Security Monthly Quality Rollup, go ahead and do so, rebooting when you’re asked to. After rebooting, go ahead and launch IE to see how it does in its’ performance with loading and allowing you to browse sites. If it performs very poorly or is really sluggish, double click on the patch you downloaded from the Microsoft Update Catalog and let it run, rebooting afterwards. This should fix your sluggishness. I hope this helps you in your decision.

      Another question comes to mind – when a monthly security and quality rollup is installed, and then you browse the “View Installed Updates” via Windows Update or the Control Panel, will the updates from the most recent installation display the KB number of the cumulative monthly rollup only, or will it display the individual KB components contained within the most recent cumulative monthly rollup?

      I guess I am indirectly asking whether I might observe KB4463376 as an installed update as a result of having installed next month’s cumulative security and quality rollup.

      • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  ashfan212.
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      • #217812 Reply

        Kirsty
        AskWoody MVP

        I guess I am indirectly asking whether I might observe KB4463376 as an installed update as a result of having installed next month’s cumulative security and quality rollup.

        KB4463376 … will be a part of the 2018-10 Security Monthly Quality Rollup released on October Patch Tuesday.

        • #217817 Reply

          ashfan212
          AskWoody Lounger

          Yes, Kirsty, I believe PKCano 100% when he confirmed that KB4463376 will be installed as part of October’s monthly S&Q rollup.

          My question pertained to whether KB4463376 would be visible as a separate entry in the list of installed updates or whether only the KB number assigned to the October S&Q monthly rollup would be visible.

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          • #217821 Reply

            PKCano
            AskWoody MVP

            You will see only the Rollup. The Rollups are composed of three parts: non-security patches, security patches, and the IE11 Cumulative Update, but they are rolled into ONE Windows Update (the SMQR). That is what you will see installed. There are no longer separate patches.

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            • #218180 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcano:  I’m really behind with the patching, and need to clarify the comments you made in this post.

              I’m Win 7, x64, Group A.  No sophisticated programs.  My question is this:   Have things changed so that the 3 separate functions you referred to will all included in the ONE Windows update you mentioned?  Being Group A, I normally have not installed the updates in the manner described.  My apologies.   I have not updated since June because of all of the updating problems, so I must have missed something somewhere.   The IE11 was always included in one of the updates in the past for Group A, and somehow now I’m not certain if this is as it once was.   Thank you for any clarification you may be able to provide.   Your help is wonderful, and everyone who uses Woody’s website is grateful for it.  🙂

            • #218181 Reply

              PKCano
              AskWoody MVP

              For Group A, all of the Windows 7 and IE11 patches are together in the Rollup. You do not need to worry about the separate IE11 patches – they are for Group B.

            • #218343 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcano:   Thank you so much for the detailed, very valuable help!  I have the updates pending for July and August, however have not checked the updates for September yet.  You are a “TRUE STAR” in Woody’s Forum, and I, as well as everyone else, value your outstanding expertise, and knowledge which helps so many of us.    Thank you once again.    🙂

    • #218009 Reply

      Flypaper
      AskWoody Lounger

      Thanks so much to the AskWoody team.  I manage a couple hundred remote desktops and this update seems to be resolving the slowdown issues we’ve had for the past couple years.  It’s too early to tell as IE problems get worse the longer a user’s logged in, but so far it’s at least twice as fast it was at startup.

      After a couple hours, we were seeing wait times becoming 10-20 seconds for some webapps, I’ll be interested in seeing if this fixes those as well.

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