Help with newly Windows offered Nvidia Display Driver

[Tex265]

Even though I have Group Policy set to NOT offer Driver Updates, Windows Update has just offered NVidia Display 27.21.14.5671 which I think correlates to the Nvidia Studio Driver 456.71 (pls confirm in response)

Before anyone directs me to get it from Nvidia direct, let me reiterate my long going problem with my current Nvidia driver installed by Windows during my Feature update to 1903 outlined in my Forum post at https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/nvidia-graphics-driver-432-00-uninstall-help/#post-2270979.

I noted in my Windows Add/Remove program that after the Windows update to 1903, there is no longer a separate entry for the NVIDIA Graphic Driver, but only for 3D Vision Controller, GeForce Experience, and PhysX System.  Without the Graphic Driver entry, I have had no “normal” way to remove/update the “special” 432.00 Windows driver package. (You’ll note that some members fiddled with Device Manager (not advised by Nvidia) to get it uninstalled, but Windows put it back).

So my questions here are:

Should I let Windows try to install this Update since perhaps MS can successfully uninstall the existing components then install updated package?

Is this Windows Update the same as the entire Nvidia install package?  Normally I would do a custom install, but assume I wont have this option with Windows Update.

I currently have the “Standard” drivers vs the Window Store type.  Will the Windows install keep with the Standard version?

Graphics updates are a panic area for me so I have little experience with them.

 

Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)

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[Alex5723]

Drivers Updates are blocked on my Windows 10 and I never saw Microsoft pushing drivers via Windows Updates.

I always update Nvidia drivers from Nvidia site or using Nvidia’s GeForce Experience app.

The latest Nvidia Game driver is Nvidia 461.09 WHQL driver.
The latest Nvidia Studio Drive is 460.89

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[Tex265]

Alex5723 wrote:

Drivers Updates are blocked on my Windows 10 and I never saw Microsoft pushing drivers via Windows Updates.

Mine too, but got it anyway so maybe it is important.

Alex5723 wrote:

I always update Nvidia drivers from Nvidia site or using Nvidia’s GeForce Experience app

Understood, but as mentioned this does way does not work with the driver version MS installed.  Wont uninstall normally.

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[Paul T]

Graphics upgrades are not an issue.

Full backup, upgrade, test.
If you are not happy, roll back.
If roll back fails, restore.

I would apply the update from MS and see what you get. Let us know.

cheers, Paul

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[Tex265]

Paul T wrote:

Graphics upgrades are not an issue.

Pls explain comment.

Paul T wrote:

If you are not happy, roll back. If roll back fails, restore.

Pls explain how to roll back.  Restore – prior driver or entire system from the backup?

Paul T wrote:

I would apply the update from MS and see what you get

Can you confirm what MS is offering is the same entire driver package that Nvidia normally offers? Or is it somehow a driver update file only?

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[Paul T]

Graphics updates are not a problem because there are 2 easy ways to return to the last driver.

Rolling back is done from the driver in Device Manager. Restore is a system restore.

I cannot confirm MS offering because I do not have access to your system.

Ultimately, it’s your decision to upgrade via MS or Nvidia, or not upgrade.

cheers, Paul

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[Mele20]

I had 1809 and nVidia was ok there. I upgraded to 2004 first of December. Susan is wrong. It is an AWFUL OS and it took away references to my nVidia driver and it got rid of geForce experience too.

I had to go to nVidia website and get a recent driver and geForce experience. But I still have problems and the fault lies with 2004 as I got on my Windows 8.0 Pro machine and nVidia driver and geForce experience are fine there.

Anyhow, just go to nVidia website/drivers and let it detect what you have and then let nVidia update your driver. You may be offered a choice between standard and custom installation but I have found on Windows 10 there really isn’t any difference between them.

The condition of nVidia forums is shocking.

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[Tex265]

If the Feature update took away references to your driver what was left showing?

How did you delete what was there if the driver was not showing in the Program Uninstall programs window?

Per the conversation in the Forum topic link I provided, did you check to see if the driver you got and installed from Nvidia actually first removed the old driver, or do you have both?

As I mentioned, I know where to get and select an updated Nvidia driver, the problem is the Nvidia installer cant uninstall my current driver version due to the driver entry missing from the Program Uninstaller program.

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[Alex5723]

Tex265 wrote:

Wont uninstall normally.

Yes, it will.

Uninstall Microsoft’s Nvidia driver (if you get a windows asking to remove software do it). Download (or run Nvidia’s GeForce Experience app). Intel and Nvidia drivers for Windows 10 are now DCH and not .inf

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[Tex265]

Alex, thanks for trying to help but you may want to re-read the problem and the forum link to get fully up to speed.

I noted in my Windows Add/Remove program that after the Windows update to 1903, there is no longer a separate entry for the NVIDIA Graphic Driver, but only for 3D Vision Controller, GeForce Experience, and PhysX System. Without the Graphic Driver entry, I have had no “normal” way to remove/update the “special” 432.00 Windows driver package. (You’ll note that some members fiddled with Device Manager (not advised by Nvidia) to get it uninstalled, but Windows put it back).

So since the Windows Updater just provided me a Nvidia driver update yesterday after several years, does anyone know if THAT driver will remove and update my current MS Nvidia driver since it is coming from MS?

Nvidia drivers are still available as “Standard” from the Advanced Download area. That is, you can select either DCH or Standard as the Download.

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[doriel]

Hi, @Tex265.
I was resinstalling one computer yesterday and interestigly, it was downloading nVidia and Intel drivers at the same time. So, I think, those drivers are just downloaded and they sit somewhere in the drivers directory, ready to be used, if you need them. Its hard to find these kind of information, Microsoft is little bit “mysterious” about Windows insides and one can only estimate whats happening.

You can say, if your drivers were changed during the update, if you go to Device Manager, rightclick your graphic card and select properities. Then go to tab “driver”.
There is button “Roll back driver”.
If the button is grayed-out, your driver did not change (and I think your driver did not change since you selected the option to not include driver update in Windows updates).
Is your button grayed-out?

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[Tex265]

I have not downloaded or installed the Nvidia driver that Windows Updater is offering.  Roll back driver button is grayed-out.

Pls see my response to Alex this morning as to what I am asking direction on, including whether or not I should try to install that Windows Updater driver or whether there is another way for me to remove the current driver package so I can download and install a more current driver from the Nvidia site.

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[doriel]

Im little bit confused.. I know you wrote:

Before anyone directs me to get it from Nvidia direct

But goto webpage and download the driver, that is the correct way to do that by me. I would not install it from MS Store. Windows update updates just the driver, ther is no application attached like in the official package from nVidia.

After installation if problem vill occur:
If you installed via Windows update and not functional, go to device manager and “roll back driver”.
If you installed from nVidia webpage and not fuctional, go to Add/Remove programs.

I have no experience with MS Store, I dont use it, but I think the application will be terrible, since it should be written on this suspicious UWP.. I would never do that. Just my personal point of view.

Alex posted links for dowloading drivers from nvidia, put your man pants on and go gor it 🙂

Should I let Windows try to install this Update since perhaps MS can successfully uninstall the existing components then install updated package?

Is this Windows Update the same as the entire Nvidia install package? Normally I would do a custom install, but assume I wont have this option with Windows Update.

I currently have the “Standard” drivers vs the Window Store type. Will the Windows install keep with the Standard version?

1) It depends if you want nVidia control panel or not
2) No, its just driver itself
3) Yes, unless you install drivers from MS Store, I think.

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[Tex265]

doriel wrote:

But goto webpage and download the driver, that is the correct way to do that by me

Thanks, but one last time – I have the driver from the Nvidia website that I would like; HOWEVER in order to install the Nvidia driver package, I must first Uninstall my current Nvidia driver that MS installed, BUT MS did not install the Nvidia Graphics card entry into the Control Panel Add/Remove program uninstall screen. Therefore I cannot Uninstall my current Nvidia Graphics card driver and therefore cannot install a more current Nvidia Graphics card driver. In the other forum link I originally posted, another member tried to work around this by utilizing the Nvidia Custom Install – Clean Install option with a new Nvidia driver; but ended up with both the new and the current driver installed – so not an option either.

doriel wrote:

Windows update updates just the driver, ther is no application attached like in the official package from nVidia

Are you 100% sure that only the Nvidia driver is updated? As that is what I am really after.  So will the Windows update leave my other current Nvidia items alone, such as the Nvidia Control Panel, Nvidia PhysX System, etc?

Just wondering how Windows can remove the current Graphics driver and replace it with a more current one without that Control Panel uninstall entry?

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[doriel]

Thank you for your reply. I think I understand better now what your problem is.

HOWEVER in order to install the Nvidia driver package, I must first Uninstall my current Nvidia driver that MS installed, BUT MS did not install the Nvidia Graphics card entry into the Control Panel Add/Remove program uninstall screen.

Not sure if you need to unistall first. nVidia package SHOULD install all automatically. Incluiding correct drivers.

Are you 100% sure that only the Nvidia driver is updated? As that is what I am really after. So will the Windows update leave my other current Nvidia items alone, such as the Nvidia Control Panel, Nvidia PhysX System, etc?

Yes, im pretty sure, its just driver. After you will update the driver with official nVidia package, update should disapear from Windows update, since you wrote your driver is few years old.
Thats why I would do it with nVidia package, because nVidia SW with Windows driver can malfunction 🙂

another member tried to work around this by utilizing the Nvidia Custom Install – Clean Install option with a new Nvidia driver; but ended up with both the new and the current driver installed – so not an option either.

This is maybe not important.. but I dont uderstand this, how can you have two drivers installed at the same time. See device manager, what driver is actually used. Second driver can sit in the Windows directory waiting. But you can always have only one driver for one device..
Hope this will help you.

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[Tex265]

doriel wrote:

Not sure if you need to unistall first. nVidia package SHOULD install all automatically. Incluiding correct drivers.

Thanks for your replies.

So are you suggesting that I perform a Custom install with a Nvidia driver download, but without the Clean install option in the hope that it will overwrite the current driver package?

What if it fails to work properly?

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[geekdom]

Tex265 wrote:

What if it fails to work properly?

That’s what backups are for.

Make a backup first. Set a restore point first.

A backup should be done in any event regardless of your decision.

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[doriel]

What if it fails to work properly?

Then I would uninstall nVidia software. From add/remoce apps or good old control panel.
If the driver still fails to work properly, then I would roll back the driver in device manager.

I thinks thats basically what @Paul-T says above. I think you wont do any damage here. If the driver does not match, the installation wont let you do it.

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[Alex5723]

You remove the driver from Device manager and anything Nvidia software with 3rd party uninstaller.
You don’t use ‘standard’ drivers with Windows 10 anymore, only DCH, unless you have a none DCH aging Nvidia GPU.

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[Tex265]

Your link addresses “Intel” drivers, I am discussing Nvidia graphics drivers and the Nvidia Advanced download site does indeed offer either Standard or DCH driver versions.  The DCH drivers file shows dch in it, the Standard does not. None the less, this is not the issue I’m trying to resolve.

Alex5723 wrote:

You remove the driver from Device manager and anything Nvidia software with 3rd party uninstaller.

What 3rd party uninstaller are you referencing?

Nvidia specifically says not to use Device Manager for anything Nvidia, rather utilize the Control Panel uninstall routine then install the selected downloaded driver from Nvidia.

But that is the problem I’m asking about as I don’t have a Graphics driver entry in Control Panel Add/Remove uninstaller to click on to activate the uninstall process.

Looking for solutions including asking if by chance the Nvidia driver update I just received from Window Updater would work under my current circumstances since it comes from MS as did my current graphics driver and perhaps MS has a built in way to delete and replace the current graphics driver since MS chose not to include the Graphics card driver entry in the Control Panel listing to begin with.

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[Mele20]

Alex5723 wrote:

unless you have a none DCH aging Nvidia GPU.

My nVidia GPU is three years old. It is not a non DCH only one. But I chose deliberately to NOT install nVidia drivers from Microsoft store. Why would anyone install Microsoft store ones (that’s Microsoft’s blatant attempt to force people to go their store in hopes they will also install other stuff from Microsoft store) unless those are the only ones available?

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[Alex5723]

Mele20 wrote:

But I chose deliberately to NOT install nVidia drivers from Microsoft store.

Who said anything about Microsoft Store.
You download and install Nvidia drivers (the same as Intel) directly from Nvidia site ( or use GeForce Experience) .

Latest Nvidia 461.09 :

Desktop Windows 10 :

standard : https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/168776/en-us
DCH : https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/168778/en-us

Notebooks Windows 10 :

Standard : https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/168777/en-us
DCH : https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/168779/en-us

Latest Intel Windows 10 DCH driver :
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/30079/Intel-Graphics-Windows-10-DCH-Drivers

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