Fresh analysis from ch100: This is what all the talk about KB3035583 appearing twice is all about, in case you haven’t seen it or able to reproduce. I
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Here’s why KB 3035583 (the much-maligned GWX patch) may appear twice on your machine
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ch100
AskWoody_MVPWSUS is an offline database similar to Windows Update and a Microsoft product targeted to medium-sized environments (10-1000 computers roughly). I run one for testing on a 180 days trial version of the Windows 2012 R2 Server which can be downloaded for free from Microsoft after registration.
Scanning against Microsoft Update means what a regular user would do after ticking the box “Give me update for Microsoft products…”, but for our purpose checking that box is not relevant. Not ticking that box means scanning against Windows Update – see the difference Microsoft Update vs Windows Update.
Microsoft Update allows updating other Microsoft software like Office, Silverlight, MSE, Defender in addition to Windows, while Windows Update (default) allows only updating of Windows.
By comparing WSUS with Microsoft (or Windows) Update and obtaining same results or similar with differences which can be explained, means that the results are likely to be correct and also allows understanding the differences in the offerings for updating Windows for end-users and Windows for businesses, which are subtle but relevant.
In principle, businesses are less likely to be disrupted by certain updates while end-users are treated more loosely from this point of view, as restarting computers is seen not so critical.
In regards to Windows 10 upgrading, businesses are not normally offered the option to upgrade, although as it was mentioned on InfoWorld by Woody and on this site, there were cases when either by accident or intentionally on the Microsoft side this actually happened. -
ch100
AskWoody_MVPI haven’t mentioned in the original email, but in case this is not obvious, I used Noel Carboni’s reference list for the hidden and avoided updates for my analysis.
https://www.askwoody.com/2016/the-win-7-sp2-convenience-rollup-kb-3125574-might-actually-be-worthwhile/ -
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AskWoody_MVPBoth KB3035583 appear as Recommended in the snapshot posted. They both have the same range for the size. I believe that the associated metadata is slightly different between the 2 versions which makes them being identified as different. It may just be the difference between being unticked or ticked by default following the recent pop-up “accident”.
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ch100
AskWoody_MVPYou are right about the applicability, however I don’t think it is a conflict as such. Both versions are probably still valid, until Microsoft takes some action and removes the old one, making only the most recent being valid.
This is seen with .NET Framework 4.5.2 and .NET Framework 4.6.1. Both are still supported, but if 4.6.1 is installed, the older version is no longer available, being superseded. However in the Windows Update sense (metadata), the new one does not supersede the old one, otherwise the old one would not appear as valid option, unless the new one would be hidden, which is not Microsoft’s intention in this case.
The same is still seen with IE11, IE10 and IE9, although officially only IE11 is supported and the older versions should be retired. Because there are still applications, some of them servers released by Microsoft (older versions of CRM, SharePoint) which require older versions, they are still provided for compatibility reasons. -
Noel Carboni
GuestVery interesting information, ch100. Thanks for the info.
The VM on which I’m testing the installation of the “convenience rollup update” (for the second time now) shows two identical lines with KB3035583 in the hidden list…
http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/ForumPosts/Win7/TwoGWXHidden.png
The multiplicity of update info sources appears to be related to SFC reporting the system integrity check has failed after the convenience rollup…
-Noel
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ch100
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ch100
AskWoody_MVPFew more details about the 2 instances of KB3035583. One is dated 25/05/2016 (May 25, 2016) and the other is dated 3/05/2016 (May 03, 2016). If the newer one is hidden, then the older one is offered. Like Woody, I don’t know what are the differences between the 2 versions.
If not interested in Windows 10, it is best to avoid both by ignoring them (not by hiding them). Only one, the newest available is offered.
If interested in Windows 10, then it is also best to avoid KB3035583 and just upgrade from the ISO from Microsoft without installing unneeded advertisements, as this is what this patch is about. -
walker
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ch100
AskWoody_MVPI addressed the issue in many other places on this site. What happens is that when an update is hidden by the end-user, a flag is set in the local DataStore.edb. This database keeps a record of which Windows Update operations were performed on that computer, updating history etc. Sometimes, and this is well known for KB2952664 and more recently for KB3035583, Microsoft later re-releases an update under the same KB number, but essentially different behind the scenes. The older update under the same name is retired by Microsoft after a while and this leaves an orphaned record in the database (if the retired update was previously hidden by the end-user) which can produce unexpected results. This is the reason why a lot of people believe falsely that Microsoft brings previously hidden updates out of hiding. In fact, Microsoft does not perform any secret access on any computer in this matter. A new update is released under the same number and appears in the list as normal. The old one which was previously hidden is now invisible because there is no reference to it on the Microsoft servers after it is retired. This can generate time-out and unpredictable results and while not having the hard evidence to prove it, I can certainly tell that most people that keep complaining about slow Windows Update, do practice this method of hiding the updates which they do not wish to install.
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NotReallyBob(fromanothercomputer)
GuestIf you write a script to hide it, it stays hidden. I don’t use the other “get rid of windows 10 and junk” programs since I wrote my own. Since I don’t use the other software I may have missed some of their features.
Clarify which ones have these features:
(m)uninstalls junk updates (KB3035583, telemetry, etc..)
(a)Sets a scheduled task to re-hide said updates.
(m)Can automate the check for OS corruption(m) — manually run once (sometimes needs run a second time)
(a) — runs scheduled -
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