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FROM THE FORUMS By Will Fastie Plus member Chuck wrote to say he wasn’t sure how to make a post in our forums. The comment proved a bit alarming. We h
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Here’s information on How to Use the Forum:

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-use-the-forum/

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Will Fastie wrote:

The “our forums” link will take you directly to the topic.

Then the link should be from “feedback about this topic”.

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Getting Started Forum can also be helpful:

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/forum/askwoody-central/getting-started/

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I agree with Chuck.  Almost everything about the forums is great except for making a new post.  I rarely do so which means I have to figure out how to do it each time.  I know what trips me up, posting in “Windows 10 version 22H2” requires navigating through Forums » AskWoody support » Windows » Windows 10.  I have to stare at each screen and figure out where to go next.

I visited the ‘getting started’ forum when I first joined.  Perhaps I missed something so intend to spend time in it again.

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By far, I would say that the largest problem in posting in the forum, is the editor box including the swap between Visual tab and Text tab; and using the edit tabs. The edit tabs that function as anticipated depend on your editing privileges.

HTML?

BBCode?

A knowledge, at least rudimentary, of HTML and BBCode is also required.

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The rules for posting are too complicated for home users. Instead of correcting a home users post the management just deletes it and the information is lost.

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We don’t. You’ve managed to post 557 times. What’s complicated?

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My post is a mess and I don’t understand why.  I did copy/paste but thought I used the “Paste as plain text” context menu option.  The composition looked like plain text but it didn’t end up as expected.  Perhaps pasting as plain text is what caused the oddities considering the default composition mode is “Visual”.

Regarding new topic posts,  I would prefer obvious “Create new topic” links in which the destination forum would be selected, perhaps only in the search results screen to encourage searches first.

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Information for removing unwanted HTML after posting:
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-use-the-forum/#post-2452984

Information for edit tabs while creating a post:
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-use-the-forum/#post-2452981

Read:
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-use-the-forum/

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For the more than two years that I have been a Plus member, I have scrolled beyond the “Talk Bubbles box” in the Newsletters and then have dithered around, trying to find the page with the “Comment in the Forums” link. The box is so obvious, but I never paid attention to it. I just thought it was a divider between Newsletter articles with a link to the same place that the “Forums” link in the header will take you, and that’s not where I wanted to go. Thanks for REALLY drawing my attention to it in this article!! And, I agree with @b, in that the link in the “Talk Bubbles box” should be more accurately “feedback about this topic”, instead of “our forums”.

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WCHS wrote:

the link in the “Talk Bubbles box”

I’ll take feedback from anyone about the precise language you think will be most clear. I’m willing to change the wording for something better.

But be as clear as you can, because the change is more work than you might think. If I’m going to change it again (it’s been altered twice on my watch), I’d like it to stick for a long time. Give me the entire slug as you think it should read in the talk bubbles box and I’ll give all suggestions due consideration.

For the record, the text we inherited at the end of each article read as follows:

“Questions or comments? Feedback on this article is always welcome in the AskWoody Lounge!”

As you can see, the problem with the old one was using “article” for the link. We wanted to be sure we were pointing at the forums instead. We also made the entire box much more prominent because we felt the original was melting into the background.

WCHS wrote:

I just thought it was a divider between Newsletter articles

Yes, I did want a more prominent separator between articles and I feel the talk bubbles box serves that purpose as well. But it’s not the reason for the box.

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Please put How to Use the Forum link in the AskWoody sidebar to the right. It would be useful for all.

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-use-the-forum/

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geekdom wrote:

How to Use the Forum link

I’ll take that one up with Susan.

Note that my goal is to make engagement related to the newsletter articles as easy as possible. General use of the forums is Susan’s bailiwick.

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Click here to join the conversation! This AskWoody Newsletter article is available in our forum for your questions, comments, and feedback.

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Click here would be the link to the article.

 

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No, the conversation is the forums, not the article.

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Click to join the conversation in our forums about this article! We welcome your questions, comments, and feedback.

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Will Fastie

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Done.

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Susan Bradley wrote:

Done.

I’m probably late to the party here for suggestions about the “Talk bubble box.”

I’m not sure what the link would be in the suggestion of @geekdom at #2543367

But, it seems to me that presently, the link should be “this topic” and not “our forums”, i.e.,

Join the conversation! Your questions, comments, and feedback about this topic are always welcome in our forums!

Maybe, capitalizing it or bolding it (or both) to make it stand out more?

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As long as the link is always highlighted, and as long as it’s the only link in the separator box I’ll find it. It does take a bit of observation or experience with the Newsletter to realize the function of the separator and the location of the link, but once learned, this becomes second-nature.

As long as the word “forums” is in the link I’m good. In my web mail service (Yahoo) the link stands out well as blue against the yellow background. And blue as opposed to normal text in black.

I usually log in at least a couple of times a month at the forums just to keep in practice. I often post, but not always, even after logging in.

I support any changes which help more readers find the forum topics.

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rc primak wrote:

It does take a bit of observation or experience with the Newsletter to realize the function of the separator and the location of the link …

That’s horrible news. I made the box bigger and more colorful, added design elements, and changed the wording. Yet folks don’t see it? I’m devastated.

Which is why I want more suggestions.

rc primak wrote:

the link stands out well as blue against the yellow

Yes, the link will always be blue because for every article, the forum topic link is new. Thus it will be blue the first time you see it. However, if you click through you’ll get the “visited” color, which the site uses as the rather standard purple.

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Will Fastie wrote:

However, if you click through you’ll get the “visited” color, which the site uses the rather standard purple.

Personally, I’ve never liked the purple color used as the default for visited links because it’s just too close to the blue used for unvisited links.

So many years ago I added a special site-override .css to my browsers that uses green for visited links to make it easy to ID which links I have/haven’t clicked on a site.

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Only the last few “talk bubbles” boxes in AskWoody Plus – 20.12.0 – 2023-03-20 that I received contain a valid link. The first few contain the link text FORUMLINK or nothing at all. A cursory check of a few earlier editions of AskWoody Plus didn’t reveal any other obviously invalid links in the boxes.

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rc primak wrote:

I support any changes which help more readers find the forum topics.

I encourage any suggestions about this matter.

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Will Fastie wrote:

That’s horrible news. I made the box bigger and more colorful, added design elements, and changed the wording. Yet folks don’t see it? I’m devastated.

I have never noticed it so I just opened a newsletter to see what you were talking about.  I immediately realized that I was not ‘seeing’ it because it looks like an ad banner.  I realized that my mind skips anything designed to steal my focus.

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alejr wrote:

Personally, I’ve never liked the purple color used as the default

I don’t like the default blue, either. However, unless I’m building a site from scratch, I use the colors that were originally designed into the site I’m modifying. Our site uses the default blue/purple combo.

That combo is an extremely old default, and thus common.

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Peobody wrote:

I immediately realized that I was not ‘seeing’ it because it looks like an ad banner.

There are no ads in the Plus edition of the newsletter. Everything in the Plus edition is there for a functional reason.

In the free edition, all ads are clearly marked with the word “Advertisement.”

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Will Fastie wrote:

In the free edition, all ads are clearly marked with the word “Advertisement.”

But, if we never read the free edition, we don’t know that. It has always stuck me as being something like an ad or merely functioning as a divider (which ads often do).

Topics are in forums, right? And the present link will take you to the topic, right? (It does say Topic in the gray banner at the top.) So, why not make “this topic” the link, instead of “our forums”. I always ignored the “Talk bubbles box” because I always thought the link would take me to the same place that the “Forums” tab (just below the AskWoody banner) would take me and I didn’t want to end up scrolling through all of the choices there to find the right Forum and the right topic. But, the link DOES take you to there — to THE TOPIC. So, “this topic” should be the link.

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For correct Forum choices ….. If Browsers are Desktop Software …. ARE Mail Apps, too. Outlook is part of Office BUT I use — outlook.live.com — ONLINE — + EPIM mail app installed. I’ve not seen the words “Mail Apps” & never been able to figure this one out.

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Other email programs are usually filed under:

AskWoody support » Productivity software by function » MS Outlook and email programs

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WCHS wrote:

I’m probably late to the party here for suggestions about the “Talk bubble box.”

Never too late! All suggestions welcome.

WCHS wrote:

But, if we never read the free edition, we don’t know that.

We make a point that a benefit of Plus membership is no ads. However, we make no mention of that in the Plus newsletter itself.

Should we?

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Susan Bradley wrote:

Done.

Susan’s remark relates to her addition of a “How to use the Forums” link in the “Forums” section of the right sidebar of the site.

Let us know if that’s helpful.

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geekdom wrote:

Click here would be the link to the article.

As a general rule, I don’t like to make links out of “click” or “click here” or “here.” I prefer that the words in the link give some hint as to where the user will be taken upon the click.

In the same vein, we’re 25 years downstream of the appearance of the Web. Imperatives such as “click here” are no longer needed — everyone knows how to navigate websites. Besides, a whole lot of folks now touch instead of clicking, and I certainly would not change such generic links into “Click or touch here.”

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Join the conversation in our forums about this article! We welcome your questions, comments, and feedback.

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Will Fastie

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<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Discuss this topic <span style=”color: #333300;”>HERE</span></span>

Would seem to be clear. I have been a bit confused about this as well. 🤔

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Oh and talk about color controls not working…

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Discuss this topic <span style=”color: #333300;”>HERE</span></span>

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wavy wrote:

Oh and talk about color controls not working..

why not use BBCode?? It’s a whole lot easier.

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wavy wrote:

Oh and talk about color controls not working…

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Discuss this topic <span style=”color: #333300;”>HERE</span></span>

Color controls work just fine but are not available to regular users. You are a regular user. Read here for information on edit tabs while creating a post:
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-use-the-forum/#post-2452981

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geekdom wrote:

Join the conversation in our forums about this article! We welcome your questions, comments, and feedback.

Where would you put the link?

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Join the conversation in our forums about this article! We welcome your questions, comments, and feedback.

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I second that suggestion. Except I would probably make it “Join the conversation about this article in our forums!”

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geekdom wrote:

Join the conversation in our forums about this article! We welcome your questions, comments, and feedback.

Not bad. Any thoughts on this idea?

I won’t be making this change right away because of the time it takes, so there is plenty of time for this conversation.

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So, what words comprise the link?

Will Fastie wrote:

geekdom wrote:

Join the conversation in our forums about this article! We welcome your questions, comments, and feedback.

Not bad. Any thoughts on this idea?

“the conversation,” maybe? I’d like that.

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I’ve appreciated the separator from its inception. I also understood there was a link to the forums. To me, it was always obvious.

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I also thought the ‘bubble’ was a divider between topics (a good idea), and that the ‘forum’ link would only take me to the forum site, not to the topic. I already knew how to get to the forum, so never used it until I was told about it.

One suggestion for rewording:  “Your questions, comments and feedback about this topic are always welcome.  Click ‘Here’ to go to the Forum and Join the Conversation.”

‘Here’ would be the live link and a different color.

Alternately: “Your questions, comments and feedback are always welcome.  Go to the Forum and ‘Join the Conversation’ about this topic.”    with ‘Join the Conversation’ being the live link.

You may notice that this is duplicate post.  the first time it was posted as Guest, since I had forgotten to login before creating the post.  A  constant problem for me at this forum. Then I login, have to refresh the page, which then loses my post and have to recreate it if I didn’t remember to copy the post text before logging in and refreshing. Would be nice if there was a warning or request to login,  rather than simply continuing as ‘guest’.

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astro46 wrote:

Would be nice if there was a warning or request to login,  rather than simply continuing as ‘guest’.

If you get asked to enter email address then you are not logged in:

Mail (will not be published) (required):

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b wrote:

astro46 wrote:

Would be nice if there was a warning or request to login,  rather than simply continuing as ‘guest’.

If you get asked to enter email address then you are not logged in:

Mail (will not be published) (required):

huh?

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If you are logged out, you will see this edit screen:

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astro46 wrote:

huh?

Not sure if I can explain it any better. You only see that line in bold (where you completed your email address on your now-deleted Guest post) if you have forgotten to sign in.

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b wrote:

(where you completed your email address on your now-deleted Guest post)

Why does the now-deleted guest post have to be deleted? Couldn’t it be kept so that it could be used in the new now-logged in post?

There have been many times that I have been logged off in the middle of composing a message. (In other words, I am logged in at the time I navigate to the topic and start composing a post in the message box, but by the time I post, I discovered that I am logged out. So, my message is lost and I have to start over.

This has happened to me so many times that I now compose my message in Word first and then paste it to the message box.

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WCHS wrote:

Why does the now-deleted guest post have to be deleted? Couldn’t it be kept so that it could be used in the new now-logged in post?

The logged-in post was already done within two minutes:

astro46 wrote:

You may notice that this is duplicate post.  the first time it was posted as Guest, since I had forgotten to login before creating the post.

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That’s horrible news. I made the box bigger and more colorful, added design elements, and changed the wording. Yet folks don’t see it? I’m devastated.

That’s exactly what’s making it look like an ad banner. I think a plain white box with a black border would work better, as long as “Join the conversation” is the link and is bold.

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So…. you are still not logged in.  Shouldn’t you be logged in by now since you now know about it?

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Ah yes.   Apparently I don’t notice the Name, Mail boxes, or note their significance.   Zip right past them to Comment.

Maybe I am the only user that has a problem with this..

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Susan Bradley wrote:

So…. you are still not logged in.  Shouldn’t you be logged in by now since you now know about it?

Yes, I usually stay logged in.  I don’t know why this time I wasn’t logged in. And as usual, don’t notice the  hints.

Sorry about the distraction from topic.

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I was directing that to gr8dane not you.  No distraction at all, it helps to determine changes to the site.

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WCHS wrote:

Why does the now-deleted guest post have to be deleted? Couldn’t it be kept so that it could be used in the new now-logged in post?

b wrote:

The logged-in post was already done within two minutes:

My question was a general one, not specific to a particular circumstance.

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Generally, we only delete duplicates (unless a rule is broken).

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b wrote:

Generally, we only delete duplicates (unless a rule is broken).

Maybe I didn’t frame my question well. Let me start again.

I’ve found myself in this situation.
1. I am logged in.
2. I start to compose a message.
3. I finish the message and press submit.
4. I find in front of me the screen that Geekdom posts at #2545193, which indicates that, even though I started composing the message while I was logged in, I’m not logged at the point of submission.
5. If I log in now, I lose the message that I have typed into the message box and have to start all over again.

Is there some way for the system to keep the message (instead of discarding it) and to transfer it to the logged-in message box?

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Save yourself some trouble. Before you Submit:

Highlight the whole message.
Right click – Copy

If you lose the message, when you log in just right click -Paste into an new entry box as a logged in User.

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WCHS wrote:

Is there some way for the system to keep the message (instead of discarding it) and to transfer it to the logged-in message box?

The short answer is no.

You could copy post content at that stage for paste after sign-in.

But before valid submission it hasn’t been received by the system for moderation, so nothing to either discard or retain yet at the WordPress/bbPress server. Even if there was, how could it be definitively matched with a member and retained until an appropriate signed-in post is somehow identified?

We do sometimes copy text from a guest post to a member post where obviously necessary.

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I would reiterate what I was trying to say in
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-participate-in-the-forums/#post-2543786

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PKCano wrote:

Before you Submit:

It seems to me that one must always do this before submitting, because you don’t ever know that you’ve been logged off (in the midst of composing a message) until AFTER you submit.

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b wrote:

But before valid submission it hasn’t been received by the system for moderation, so nothing to either discard or retain yet at the WordPress/bbPress server. Even if there was, how could it be definitively matched with a member and retained until an appropriate signed-in post is somehow identified?

Here’s a good project for AI!!

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