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    This topic contains 34 replies, has 16 voices, and was last updated by  dwelge 2 months, 2 weeks ago.

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    • #1849241 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      @pkcano has gone through the steps: I’m not ready for 1903 yet. I wanted to see if I could update my 1803 Pro to to 1809 through the usual channels. I
      [See the full post at: If you’re running Win10 Pro 1803 and you want to move to 1809 so you don’t get pushed to 1903, there’s good news]

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    • #1849883 Reply

      CyGuy
      AskWoody Plus

      Woody, I thought you were using Windows Defender as opposed to BitDefender.

      • #1849886 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        That was me testing, and I was using BitDefender Free on that sacrificial computer.

        • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  PKCano.
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        • #1849910 Reply

          CyGuy
          AskWoody Plus

          Oops!  I got to the meat before the potatoes.

    • #1849934 Reply

      anonymous

      I am brand new to navigating Win 10 Pro updating. Per Woody’s comment on the post – are copies of the pending upgrades (ie 1903) always offered as downloads vs updates?

      • #1850011 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        It depends on your settings whether 1903 is offered as an update or is listed in the “download and install now” section.

        The Windows Update settings I was using before the test are listed here. When I set deferrals to 32, I was offered 1809. According to @abbodi in this post, setting the deferrals to 0 (zero) will get you 1903 as an update. If you read through some of the posts, 1903 has showed up as a “download and install now” option.

    • #1850047 Reply

      EspressoWillie
      AskWoody Plus

      I know you have posted the instructions to use that squirreled away 1809 USB stick to upgrade an 1803 version.  But after lots of searching on this site, I still can’t find it.  Would you point me in the right direction?

      Thank you, thank you!!

      Cheers!!
      Willie McClure
      www.datarim.com
      Talk's cheap, takes money to buy whiskey.
      • #1850078 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Make a full disk image of your computer.
        Make a separate backup (not imaged) of your User ID.
        Disconnect from the Interned.

        For an UPGRADE, from the running 1803, plug in the USB stick (don’t boot from it).
        On the USB stick, run Setup.exe.
        Choose the option to keep your programs and your data.
        It will ask you to search for updates several times in the process, tell it “No” (you are not connected to the Interned.
        When the upgrade is finished, go through all the settings (Control Panel, Settings app, Group Policy if Pro, turn on System Restore, set Metered connections, etc). Be sure you have wushowhide on the Desktop.
        Connect to the Internet.
        Due to the age of your USB stick, you may have some updating to do.

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        • #1851976 Reply

          anonymous

          Thank you for those instructions.  It took me over 2 hours but v1803 on a Core-2 Duo processor has updated to an early version of 1809.  I then switched on the router and left it for another hour but Update just sulked.

          Power off – there is always tomorrow!

          I must remember to download a copy of the v1903 ISO.

        • #1854272 Reply

          Tex265
          AskWoody Plus

          It will ask you to search for updates several times in the process, tell it “No” (you are not connected to the Internet.

          PK, just curious

          Since getting Windows 10 I have only upgraded versions one time (1709 to 1803) and via the Windows Updater. Allowed Windows to do its thing then disconnected from the internet before the reboot. During the download/update process Windows changed all my drivers, some to earlier ones than I had for Nvidia etc.

          So if you are not connected to the internet during the install, how does Windows handle the driver situation? And possibly other needed changes based on your computer configuration during the install?

          Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
          • #1854293 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            When the update goes through WU, MS has already checked out your PC in the “Preparing to install” and “Installing” phase, and downloaded everything including the latest Build.

            If you use the ISO/media, you get whatever version/Build is on the ISO/media, which may not be the latest version/Build or contain all the MS drivers. So there may be updating to be done after the update/upgrade.

            You have some control over the latter, but not necessarily the former, if you don’t have Pro and have set Group Policy.

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    • #1850103 Reply

      anonymous
    • #1851131 Reply

      anonymous

      You can still download the 1809 ISO from Microsoft directly (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO). Just make sure to choose the October 2018 Update under Select edition. You also have to make your browser imitate an iPad. This is relatively easy and is described here for Edge, Chrome and Firefox.

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      • #1851886 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        the 1809 ISOs MS have on that Techbench link are the March 2019 versions (1809 V2 or 1809 + KB4489899 update – build 17763.379)

      • #1864254 Reply

        dwelge
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m not able to change me selection for 1809. What needs to be done?

    • #1851167 Reply

      Berserker79
      AskWoody Lounger

      Is an upgrade from 1803 to 1809 recommended at this point in order to avoid the uncertainties of an upgrade to 1903? Out of precaution I downloaded a 1809 .iso when it was suggested by Woody a couple of months ago, but I never planned to actually use it and would rather stay on 1803 and skip 1809 unless the risk of a forced upgrade from 1803 to 1903 is too high. Also, will an upgrade to 1809 avoid being pushed to 1903 also for those like me who have Win10 Home rather than Pro?

      BTW, on a slightly-but-not-so-unrelated note, I just saw on wushowhide that MS is pushing yet another release (2019-06 version) of KB4023057 to 1803 users.

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      • #1851210 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        If you use the ISO you have, you will get the Build of 1809 that was current when you downloaded/made the ISO. When you finish the upgrade (which should be done off line so you can review your settings before facing MS), you will be faced with updates to make it current. Moving to 1809 may forestall MS forcing 1903 on you.
        If you go through Windows Update, as I did, you get the latest Build, and when you are through you will not have to update.

        But consider, I was using Pro (not Home), so I had a way to (somewhat) control whether I got 1809 or 1903 by using the Feature deferral setting. You do not have that in Home. If you remain on 1803, at some point MS will try to force 1903 on you (most likely skipping 1809) maybe even ignoring metered connections. It’s a matter of doing it when YOU want it, not when you are least expecting it.

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        • #1851339 Reply

          Berserker79
          AskWoody Lounger

          Thanks for your always timely replies, much appreciated!

          Yeah, I’d rather upgrade to 1809 when it’s me who wants to do it, rather than having MS force an upgrade to 1903 when I least expect it.

          All things considered, since I’m using Home and thus don’t have the Feature deferral setting, I’ll not take the risk of going through Windows Update to see whether I can upgrade to 1809. When I decide to do the upgrade it seems safer to rely on the ISO I previously downloaded, albeit I understand that this will require me to install updates to make 1809 current (I’m confident that with metered connections and wushowhide I’ll have at least a minimum of control on which updates get installed).

    • #1851185 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      Is an upgrade from 1803 to 1809 recommended

      I’m on the “if it aint broke” channel and will be sticking with 1803 until/if 1903 is ready for use/compatible with my hardware.

      A regular image backup is the easiest way to guarantee no nasty upgrades breaking things.

      cheers, Paul

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    • #1851190 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Also, will an upgrade to 1809 avoid being pushed to 1903

      Yes. 1809 EOL is April 14, 2020.

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      • #1851702 Reply

        Tex265
        AskWoody Plus

        Yes. 1809 EOL is April 14, 2020.

        Or, Microsoft deems 1809 is nearing its EOL!

        Microsoft has announced with version 1803’s new Updater, 1903 will begin being pushed out 5 months before posted EOL.

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
    • #1851670 Reply

      Lars220
      AskWoody Lounger

      Just a reminder to be careful about voluntarily clicking on “Check for updates”, info from:

      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-1903

      Current status as of June 18, 2019:
      Windows 10, version 1903 is available for any user who manually selects “Check for updates” via Windows Update for all devices that do not have a safeguard hold. If you are not offered the update, please check below for any known issues that may affect your device. The recommended servicing status is Semi-Annual Channel.

      More info at:

      https://www.windowslatest.com/2019/06/19/microsoft-will-start-updating-outdated-windows-10-pcs-in-late-june/

       

      • #1851890 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        I have to admit, I did click on the Check for Updates button a few days ago on a machine running 1803 Pro but have not received any feature update [neither 1809 nor 1903] (metered connections on, no deferral updates option used)

        this is on an old PC using a legacy BIOS chip (non-UEFI)

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    • #1851888 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      Thanks for your always timely replies, much appreciated!

      Yeah, I’d rather upgrade to 1809 when it’s me who wants to do it, rather than having MS force an upgrade to 1903 when I least expect it.

      All things considered, since I’m using Home and thus don’t have the Feature deferral setting, I’ll not take the risk of going through Windows Update to see whether I can upgrade to 1809. When I decide to do the upgrade it seems safer to rely on the ISO I previously downloaded, albeit I understand that this will require me to install updates to make 1809 current (I’m confident that with metered connections and wushowhide I’ll have at least a minimum of control on which updates get installed).

      better to upgrade to 1809 using the ISO method rather than using Windows Update
      I NEVER, NEVER do feature updates thru WU and always do them by installing them from ISO or ESD image files

      besides, the current 1809 ISO & ESD downloads are the 3/2019 versions (build 17763.379 from the KB4489899 cumulative update) when MS declared them business ready near the end of March 2019.

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  EP.
    • #1851904 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      Also, will an upgrade to 1809 avoid being pushed to 1903

      Yes. 1809 EOL is April 14, 2020.

      wrong EOL date, Alex5723.

      1809 Home/Pro EOL date is May 12, 2020 (because of the 1809 re-release that occured November 13, 2018)
      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search?alpha=Windows%2010%20version%201809%20(Home%20Pro%20Pro%20for%20Workstations%20IoT%20Core)

      and 1809 Education/Enterprise EOL date is one year after – May 11, 2021
      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search?alpha=Windows%2010%20version%201809%20(Enterprise%20Education%20IoT%20Enterprise)

      • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  EP.
    • #1851991 Reply

      marklang
      AskWoody Plus

      I am sticking with 1803.   1809 had a lot of issues when it came out.   Microsoft seems to be trying to get 1903 right because they really messed it up initially.   I have feature updates set to delay 365 days.   I am expecting that 1903 will be stable before then.  I do have an ISO of 1809 if I need to make that interim step.

    • #1852019 Reply

      bobcat5536
      AskWoody Plus

      I just went from 1803 to 1809 with no problems so far. The only thing, was in 1803 I could choose the dark black theme for my Settings menus only, yet still have the white background when I opened up a folder.  If I choose dark background now, it changes both menu and folder background to dark. Did this get changed or am I missing a setting somewhere ?

      • #1854363 Reply

        bobcat5536
        AskWoody Plus

        Update:  Booted up this morning and the PC froze up at the first screen. A restart using the power option in the lower right side, resulted in a successful boot. Looks like a few bugs remain in 1809 or it’s just my PC choking on it. I’m going to assume that MS changed 1809 dark and light themes as per my question above.

    • #1854867 Reply

      anonymous

      Hi, I’m running HP Home Edition Win10 ver 1809.  When I booted up this morning 1903 was in my Windows Update page with a “Download and Install Now ” option vs just starting download like previous versions.  I installed CU KB4503327 several days ago without any issues.  However, I did nothing to receive this upgrade.  I did not click on “check for updates”.  It just appeared today. 

      I am going to hold off on 1903 for awhile until it’s tested in the market a few more months.  So Microsoft has released it to the market it appears.  Anyone else get this?

      • #1855587 Reply

        Tex265
        AskWoody Plus

        Hi, I’m running HP Home Edition Win10 ver 1809. When I booted up this morning 1903 was in my Windows Update page with a “Download and Install Now ” option vs just starting download like previous versions. I installed CU KB4503327 several days ago without any issues. However, I did nothing to receive this upgrade. I did not click on “check for updates”. It just appeared today.

        That is the way it is suppose to work after installing the June CU on versions 1803 and 1809. You should also now have the ability to “Pause” non-Feature updates. The 1903 Feature update will (according to MS) not download and install unless you click on the “Download and Install Now” link.

        There are numerous posts regarding this new Windows Update item here at AskWoody. Just scroll back over the past month or two and check out the last 2 months Newsletters.

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
    • #1854917 Reply

      RockE
      AskWoody Plus

      I am going to hold off on 1903 for awhile until it’s tested in the market a few more months. So Microsoft has released it to the market it appears. Anyone else get this?

      Yes, it appeared on a couple of my computers and I chose to upgrade each of those. It did not appear on the others. So far I have encountered no obvious problems with version 1903.

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    • #1858531 Reply

      mn–
      AskWoody Lounger

      Hm, funny thing.

      I have one system here… brand new, just unboxed today, going to install stuff on it for someone… after hitting the seeker bait multiple times with deferrals set to 0, it’s not offering anything beyond 1803 June cumulatives. As in it’s now sitting at 17134.858 and “fully up to date” even after repeatedly jumping on the high-risk button. (Windows 10 Pro 64, primary install language other than English… no, not Japanese either)

      No aftermarket antivirus or anything on it yet either. Plenty of the OEM and device-specific preloads still though.

      Oh well. Setting deferrals now, then.

    • #1861723 Reply

      anonymous

      Quoting Woody’s comment on June 19: “@pkcano has gone through the steps: I’m not ready for 1903 yet.”

      What are the steps to know if you are ready for 1903? Hardware requirements?

      I have a Win10 Home edition client who is at 1803 and is being offered 1903 with a “Download and install now” option. He is none too savvy about ISO’s, imaging, and the like. Should he just go to 1903 now or wait? If so, how long? 1803 expires November 12, 2019 so 1903 will be foisted upon him before then I’m sure.

      Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Rocco

      • #1861741 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        1903 isn’t ready yet. It still has problems to be ironed out.

        My advice is:
        + Wait another 3 months (if you can).
        + Keep your data backed up regularly (daily, weekly, whatever suits your usage).
        + Image your PC at lease once a month (in case 1903 is forced and it bombs).
        + Expect to be forced at any time (grit your teeth, wish for the best).

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        • #1861745 Reply

          anonymous

          Thanks, Boss!
          Rocco

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