Hi! Just a quick question. Have an Iphone 7 which was the auto update for new iOS versions turned off. Phone always gets turned off at night. When I turned it on yesterday morning, the little red one was on the settings icon. When I clicked on the icon it said there was a new update (13.4.1) and it was already downloading it! If you have the automatic update turned off – why would it be downloading the update? And even odder, I’m almost positive I installed this update about 2 weeks ago!
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Iphone updating to new version when auto updates turned off?
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I think even if you have auto update turned off it will pop up with the notification that a new update is available and give the option whether you want to download and install or just download it. Possibly when the iOS 13.4.1 was released and you were notified on your screen it was available, you may have opted to just download but not to install at that time? And if you turned your phone off before it had the chance to download the update, it would do that next time around when your phone was back on. Not sure just throwing some possibilities out there as to why it’s downloading the update. Perhaps one of our experts can offer you a solution. I don’t think it’s anything to be concerned about.
MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, and SOS at times.
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Myst – Yes, I’ve experienced the notification that a new update is available and the option to install or not previously. That is how I always assumed the process works when you have Automatic Updates turned off. This time however, there was no notification that an update was available – it was already downloading it with no “help” from me! Strange to say the least. I would agree that it’s nothing to be concerned about if you always wanted the updates right away . Myself, I prefer to wait a week at least to see what the fallout might me from a particular update! Thanks for your thoughts.
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I’ve the same settings on my iPhone.
Apple’s policy is generally to force updates on you whether or not they actually help you, and whether or not the updates downgrade your phone’s performance.
If you go into the Settings > General >iPhone Storage you can see if Apple forced your phone to store the next update before the update is actually triggered.
You can delete a prospective, stored update from there. You also have to babysit that process if you’d like to prevent them from sneaking an update past your attention.
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I tried to disconnect from icloud in every way I could and had issues connecting to App store( still am) Must icloud be used for some important parts of the OS? Hope not! Do not want to store any info elsewhere if I can help it.
This link to Macworld may help https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/use-iphone-without-apple-id-3779932/
MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, and SOS at times.
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Myst, Michael et al, Thank you all for jumping in so quickly! I spent much of the afternoon just trying to get into the app store to verify that my apple ID and PW were legitimate. Whew! I think perhaps at the most inopportune times, I would lose connection or maybe this new phone is simply stretching after being in that box so long! I finally did get “verified” and after putting in CC info, about 3 times able to get into app store. Downloaded a utility I thought was free only to find it was so crippled as to be worthless- that is until I agreed to pay 7.99 month!! I almost bit my card in half! No I didn’t check that box, but I did surely delete that little trap! Went back to settings, deleted CC info, billing address and assured myself that I had disabled icloud (thanks Myst!) Have read a few articles on ios blogs and watched a couple youtube bits so I am about worn out. Spent some time trying to insert my private email account settings into the proprietary email in IOS- my email carrier was apoplectic! Then the light came on and I found their Mobile app and all is well in email land. Installed firefox, but they want me to register and I am thinking about that- I have been using Mozilla since Netscape(!) and have not registered yet. Still use it in my daily driver laptop exclusively. Also added firefox focus for good measure-havent asked for registration. Heck of a day.
This thread actually was about the newest update I think, so the logical ? is- how long has it been out and is it stable? (Win10 persona peeking out)
Thanks again Folks and stay safe! Be well and don’t touch any faces! 😉
DriftyDonN
PS Neglected to mention I am able to get in and out of app store at will!
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Any advice re: icloud? I’m paranoid I suppose being from the 1960’s and just feel funny about all this info I havent put on the thing being loaded on a server in omaha or somewhere.
iCloud is good if you have other Apple devices because they sync photos, notes, etc. and if you only have the one device then having an iCloud backup is handy when you move on to another iPhone or if it’s lost/stolen you have your backup. If you don’t want to have the account active all the time you can sign out and sign back in later. When you do that everything that’s in the cloud from your last backup before signing out, is downloaded back to the phone. It’s always important to do frequent iCloud backups to avoid losing any photos, etc.
Oh, Antivirus? I have Bitdefender total security so I could put iton this but how much battery would that take? And VPN- I use NORD on my laptops but wonder if itwould also eat away at the battery…..
I don’t use an AV on my iPhone or iPad. You shouldn’t have any security issues if you update to the current iOS.
ExpressVPN is good, but it comes with a price for the best results. Had considered NORD but opted for Express.
Is this app store always so in your face about all the apps that have updates available?
Some of the app updates are minor bug fixes, others are for security, you go the app in the App Store Updates and read details. I have a handful of apps I update from time to time when a notification comes through.
About the update for IOS available for download…any word on that being good bad or ho-hum?
IOS 13.4.1 is the latest update and you should go ahead and download/install.
On your next “unbusy” day you can have fun with your iPhone. So get busy! 😉
MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, and SOS at times.
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Was curious about the $7.99 / mo warranty offered- Normally I do not fall for “added warranty/ Insurance” scams BUT—–this has 1 year of everything it looks like is listed in the xtra warranty offering. Any advice here?
Do you fumble the phone often enough to break a screen? If so, my favorite two sources of fumblage insurance have been SquareTrade and Apple Care. SquareTrade used to be the better deal but you can shop. Apple Care is overpriced and their phone support engineers are often woefully undertrained doofi (plural of doofus). If you can’t be without your phone and something’s irreparably broken on it you need a plan in place to solve that immediately. SquareTrade paid back my one and only screen breakage and replacement at an Apple Store.
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As far as access to the App Store without an Apple ID, I’m not familiar with how it works when downloading apps. You can possibly download free apps without an ID but again I’m not sure about that.
No you can’t access App Store without an Apple ID.
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Apple’s policy is generally to force updates on you whether or not they actually help you, and whether or not the updates downgrade your phone’s performance.
No. Apple’s policy is for devices to run the latest secure iOS version.
Apple doesn’t force iOS updates, only notifies when auto iOS updates are disabled.
Updates may be downloaded (when iOS devices is charging with more then 50% of battery and connected to wi-fi network) but not installed.
I used iPhones since iPhone 4 (and iPads too) and was never forced updates.3 users thanked author for this post.
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This is good info Alex. And I agree with your statement that Apple doesn’t force updates.
MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, and SOS at times.
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Was curious about the $7.99 / mo warranty offered- Normally I do not fall for “added warranty/ Insurance” scams BUT—–this has 1 year of everything it looks like is listed in the xtra warranty offering. Any advice here?
Do you fumble the phone often enough to break a screen? If so, my favorite two sources of fumblage insurance have been SquareTrade and Apple Care. SquareTrade used to be the better deal but you can shop. Apple Care is overpriced and their phone support engineers are often woefully undertrained doofi (plural of doofus). If you can’t be without your phone and something’s irreparably broken on it you need a plan in place to solve that immediately. SquareTrade paid back my one and only screen breakage and replacement at an Apple Store.
Square Trade is NOT for use with Apple products! I got it when I got my Apple Watch 5 last Christmas. It does NOT cover screen breakage (and that is the big thing to worry about with the watch). I was able to cancel it pro rated so got most of my money back. Then I bought Apple Care. You cannot beat Apple Care for Apple products and for iPhone (my first Smart phone was iPhone 10r in Dec 2018). For my iPhone I got Apple Care Plus so I would have protection from it being lost or stolen (as well a technical or physical problem). iPhone was very expensive so I cannot imagine NOT getting proper Apple Support for either of these items.
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I used iPhones since iPhone 4 (and iPads too) and was never forced updates.
I understand. I used to think and feel that way, too. Thank you for sharing your experience. I, too, have had iPhones for many years and had bought them all when new. I nearly defected to Android until I decided that the devil I know’s better than the devil I don’t. Yes, I’m judgmental. But I also base my perspective in grounded, thoughtful facts rather than solely in my own, preferred opinion.
Counting them up as I write this I started with an iPhone 3GS (my 1st smartphone and 2nd-ever mobile phone), then switched to a iPhone 5 (later gave it to a friend), then to an iPhone 55, then to my current iPhone 7 Plus which is now three years old, which was purchased via a good friend at Apple who is an OS engineering manager. I consider all these devices to by amazing pocket sized computers.
I’ve studiously watched Apple’s iOS updates since around September 2014. At that time they began a series of updates which show every indication of Apple desiring to make money at the expense of its customer base’s needs, which includes me. From long, personal experience with their mobile products I’ve personally watched as Apple –
- automatically downloaded both security and non-security updates to my phones and those of my friends, nagging us to install them against our desires. This became not only an expensive time-wasters, but also annoyances.
- This includes forced, sometimes destructive iTunes updates in tandem with a variety of less than desirable iTunes changes, and I’ve used iTunes since my first iPhone to back-up my phone as well as manage all media on the phones,
- surreptitiously disguised its studious surveillance capitalisms to track everyone and anyone using their phones without their knowledge, and
- the times when three different, careless Apple techs forced performance downgrading updates onto my iPhone 5S and my 7 Plus. On my iPhone 7 Plus Apple forced it do change from 10.x to 11.x because it was failing to back-up to iTunes, although it was already running spectacularly well, and
- from the time when they got caught red-handed by intentionally and surreptitiously downgrading the performance of their phones using forced updates disguised as OS improvements
So it’s clear to me from all of those things in my experience and those of hundreds of thousands of others that Apple, like Microsoft and all its software, studiously aims to do whatever it thinks it can get away with, sometimes at my expense. I’ll abide by the perspective of my experience. And as I would with anyone purchasing a Windows or Intel product, I’d suggest the unpleasant idea of caveat emptor to them.
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It does NOT cover screen breakage (and that is the big thing to worry about with the watch).
In January 2019, after I’d fumbled my own, cherished iPhone 7 Plus which I’d then had for around 2 1/2 years, SquareTrade sent me a check to cover the screen’s professional replacement at a local Apple store. By techs who knew exactly how to do what they do. That’s the one and only time I’ve replaced an iPhone screen because of being a screen monkey with fat fingers 🙂
That doesn’t necessarily mean that SquareTrade still offers the sort of accidental damage and handling (ADH in their jargon) warranty in their coverages as they used to. SquareTrade has changed lots over the many years I’ve been their customer. Allstate bought them and recently I’m underwhelmed with the changes they brought.
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Cannot get wi fi calling to work at all
Have you set the proper switch to on ? Does the wi-fi network your are connected to support wi-fi calling ?
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Alex5723: Does the wi-fi network your are connected to support wi-fi calling ?
I spent literally 3 or more hours on phone w/ Boost Tech support trying to get this to work.
In the event it is a set up failure exclusive to your existing WiFi settings, your carrier should be able to help. If not, then I suggest switching carriers, or if they have a local shop, call and make an appointment to physically go in. I’m not familiar with Boost Mobile, ATT works great for me. Another option is to call Apple.
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Of all places to get tech support-TWITTER!
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I’ve had good overall experience with AT&T for a long time. I tested Verizon for around 2 months early this year and switched back to AT&T.
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Settings=>Cellular=>Wi Fi Calling ?
No, the one in the picture : Settings – Phone – Wi-Fi calling on
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Seems there are multiple questions going on here. By the way, the AskWoody admins recommend starting new threads if questions are of a different nature than the original poster’s topic. It can get confusing to sort through multiple questions at once. If additional questions come up, I recommend starting a new thread.
To attempt to do my best to answer some of the questions posted:
- I have Automatic Updates enabled on all of my devices, but I believe Apple occasionally downloads (but does not install) updates if Automatic Updates are disabled. This will only occur on Wi-Fi and when the battery is charged to a certain percentage. My AskWoody Apple update article offers guidance as to when I recommend installing iOS updates. See: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/2000014-ongoing-list-of-apple-operating-system-updates/
- I personally recommend AppleCare+ (not third party warranties). AppleCare+ provides extended hardware coverage and support from Apple. I treat my Apple devices like they’re made from real gold and not simply gold-plated, but I have occasionally received a flakey device. It’s a wise investment. You can pay a one time fee instead of a monthly fee for AppleCare+ if need be (which will extend all coverage to two years total).
- You cannot use an Apple device without an Apple ID. An Apple ID includes access to iCloud, but it offers more than that. This article shows what’s included with Apple ID: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202659. You can choose what data is stored in iCloud and what isn’t (there are toggles on the device). Since I use multiple Apple devices, I’ve found iCloud convenient. iCloud is generally pretty secure and private, although I still don’t store anything in iCloud I’m not comfortable with being stored on an Internet server.
- The App Store has an “In App Purchases” section on every page. I always read it before downloading an app to know what I’m getting into, as some free apps offer subscriptions for premium features. This article shows how to cancel subscriptions: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202039. If you accidentally purchased an App or subscription, you can use this to request a refund: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204084.
- In terms of screen protectors, I don’t use them. Tried them in the past. They’re more of a pain than simply keeping your screen clean. Those that are super rough on their screens may need them, but I’ve found them to not be worth the hassle.
- You don’t need antivirus on your phone. Apple handles the bulk of the security, especially with approving App Store apps. A VPN is useful on public Wi-Fi. I’ve had good luck with WiTopia VPN. Here’s my referral code to them: r6vhtAXH. They offer a 30 day money back guarantee. Support is fast, their servers are fast, and they offer servers around the world over all the major protocols. I generally use their Cisco IPSec connection.
- Wi-Fi Calling on the iPhone requires support from the carrier since the carrier has to have your phone number route calls over the Wi-Fi connection versus the cellular connection (but the calls are still “billed” with your carrier account). Wi-Fi Calling also only works when your cellular connection is weak (Apple changed it to only automatically switch your connection to Wi-Fi Calling when your cell coverage is weak) These are the setup instructions for it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203032/ Wi-Fi Calling generally doesn’t fare well with some MVNO’s. Some MVNO’s aren’t sophisticated enough for Wi-Fi Calling. Some Sprint customers are getting access to T-Mobile’s towers due to the merger. Not sure if that extends to MVNO’s. I had T-Mobile but had to go to Verizon since T-Mobile dramatically scaled coverage back here.
Nathan Parker
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Nathan,
You are absolutely right and I have been chastised before for wandering off the trail. I will work on that harder than I have. Tried to dm but no go I just bought this iphone 11 rec’d 23Apr. I was on Virgin mobile for about 8 yrs? Maybe more. So I finally got sick of Android and purchased the phone in full from Boost. Unbeknown to me, this locked me to them for 12 months. Apple price was $100 more and with the gov’t help I was able to squeeze out the $
In any case the sales person indicated since I was moved forcibly as it were from Virgin, I was eligble for upgrade and would be contracted to Boost for 2 months. Great. My neighborhood gets absolutely horrible cell service-Sprint infrastructure I believe. So the wi Fi calling looked great since I am disabled, older n dirt and home 98% of the time. Someone in my driveway cant get my cell phone to ring in the backyard!
…and I never knew I would be contracted without my say so.
So in closing, I took the liberty to ask more than I should have on that post and thank you for your advice.
Be well and stay safe!!
DriftyDonN
Tried to DM you but no go Dont do that often.
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Have you installed 13.4.1? I am waiting, as I’d heard there were problems and Apple is currently working on 13.4.5 (not that they ever stop, bc there are ALWAYS bugs!). But at some point, I am going to update. Just haven’t done it yet and was waiting on 13.4.5. to see what happens with that.
I am running 13.4.5 beta 3 on iPhone and iPad with zero problems.
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This week, I’ve also been caught with a fully downloaded update, when I have the settings for automatic downloading of updates set to OFF. This wasn’t a question asking if I would like to install, but a 3GB download already on the device, and when the Wi-Fi has been set at not auto-connecting.
Thankfully, I remembered this topic, so it didn’t come as a surprise (it didn’t stop me feeling antagonistic towards the remote manipulation of my tech, though).
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It might depend on what iOS version you are running. Newer version have the option to edit these settings better than older versions.
It might depend on what iOS version you are running. Newer version have the option to edit these settings better than older versions.
Older versions don’t get updates anyway.
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