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      • #2302767 Reply
        Rick Corbett
        AskWoody_MVP

        So, is it only Apple that continues to force a restart of your entire system to ‘fully/properly’ install its iTunes software updates? GRRR!

        apple-restart

        /rant off

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      • #2302778 Reply
        access-mdb
        AskWoody MVP

        There are some apps which require a restart, but not many. And none that I remember that force you to restart. Can’t think of any specific ones at the moment. And I don’t like Apple and here I am defending it!

      • #2302863 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Many apps require restart after new versions updates.
        No one forcing you to restart after installing iTunes. You can continue to use iTunes
        and the next restart of your PC will complete the installation.

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      • #2302873 Reply
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Rick Corbett, before getting too deep into Apple bashing, were you using Windows when this happened?

        I am asking, because I have had a Mac for more than three years now and have been using it continuously since Win 7 went EOL, but can’t remember anything like this ever happening — including last year, when I installed the 64-bit iTunes (called “iTunes.app”). But you seem to be trying to install “iCloud for Windows (?)

        If you were using Windows when installing iTunes, then this is probably a Windows 10 issue, not an Apple issue. Please, let us know.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

        • #2302884 Reply
          Myst
          AskWoody Plus

          If you were using Windows when installing iTunes, then this is probably a Windows 10 issue, not an Apple issue. Please, let us know.

          It isn’t an “issue”. As @alex5723 said, some apps ask for a restart to finish the updating process. When I update iTunes on my Win7 it always asks for a restart. I don’t use iCloud for Windows, iTunes is the only update I put on my PC. It’s all pretty basic and does what it should to bring the app up to date.

          Win7 Home x64 MacOS Chromebook

        • #2303130 Reply
          Rick Corbett
          AskWoody_MVP

          But you seem to be trying to install “iCloud for Windows (?) If you were using Windows when installing iTunes, then this is probably a Windows 10 issue, not an Apple issue. Please, let us know.

          No, I chose not to install ‘iCloud for Windows’ that was piggy-backed onto the iTunes installer. Yes, it was Windows… but 7, not 10.

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      • #2302990 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Rick is right to rant, there should be no need to restart Windows unless you have updated drivers in use or hardware. Where is the driver / hardware update in iTunes / iCloud?

        cheers, Paul

        • #2302998 Reply
          Myst
          AskWoody Plus

          Where is the driver / hardware update in iTunes / iCloud?

          I have no idea but I do know the iTunes update, download/update/restart, has worked fine for me all these years on the PC 😌

          Win7 Home x64 MacOS Chromebook

        • #2303001 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          Where are those monthly/6 monthly Windows update hardware/drivers changes that require multiple boots ? iTunes may change system components, default settings like file associations…that may require re-boot.

          • #2303015 Reply
            Paul T
            AskWoody MVP

            Alex, you know Windows updates are to system files that are in use, so a reboot is required.

            cheers, Paul

            • #2303019 Reply
              Alex5723
              AskWoody Plus

              So are iTunes files and processes…

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      • #2305073 Reply
        Rick Corbett
        AskWoody_MVP

        And to add to the fun… when I went to update iTunes again today I saw this:

        itunes_update-files-in-use

        Seriously? The iTunes installer needs to update the browser I’m using? What kind of sorcery is this?

        Oh well, I’ll just close Firefox then… no problem. 🙁

        itunes_update-close_643_tabs

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          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          643 tabs? How do you keep track?

          cheers, Paul

          • #2305095 Reply
            Ascaris
            AskWoody_MVP

            643 tabs? How do you keep track?

            I’m not Rick, but I sometimes have that number of tabs open, so I can answer how I keep track, anyway.

            I have the browser set to open new tabs to the right of the current (parent) tab, so that tabs are in z-order to the right of the parent tab. Tabs that are unread are marked, so I can tell which ones are the ones I’ve opened and not yet read (I tend to open a lot in background tabs as I browse, getting to those other ones later. Mozilla “kindly” removed the unread tab state, but this is one thing that the weaksauce addons that still work in modern Firefox was able to bring back, more or less, and they can add it to Chromium derivatives too). I have Firefox set (via CSS, since the addons that used to make this easy were dumped) to display unread tabs with red, italicized text over a yellow background. Waterfox Classic, of course, can still use that addon, though I’ve unfortunately bumped that down to secondary status with the growing number of sites that fail to work with it.

            There’s also the ability to search through the titles of opened tabs, or to browse them in a vertical list (so that one can see the full title, which you certainly cannot when the tabs are at minimum width, which shows the favicon and maybe one letter of the title).

            For real hardcore tab use, there’s Tree Style Tabs, which lists the tabs vertically in a sidebar in a clickable tree format, so that it is even easier to see which tabs are children of which parent tabs. On top of that, Firefox’s tab containers allow the user to define and open tabs in various containers that can be color-coded with addons or CSS (as I hear; I have yet to use them).

            If you maintain an approximate mental map of the tabs you have open (which is the best most of us can do with that many tabs), these cues help to be able to connect that approximate mental map to the tabs on the tab bar. Some of it is probably just a function of being used to it… if you keep a lot of tabs open, you get better at remembering enough of what you have open to make sense of it with the cues the browser can give you.

             

            Group "L" (KDE Neon Linux, User Edition).

      • #2305100 Reply
        Rick Corbett
        AskWoody_MVP

        643 tabs? How do you keep track?

        cheers, Paul

        This was a special occasion… I don’t usually have quite as many tabs open.

        Being lazy I spend very little time organising bookmarks in Firefox’s ‘Bookmark Manager’. Instead, I let the tabs keep building up until there’s 150-200 then use a Firefox extension – Export Tabs URLs – to export the lot as an HTML file (and start over with new tabs).

        firefox_tab_export

        I merge this with my Home page (an ever-expanding local HTML file). At the top of this page are links to my ‘usual’ sites… then all the links to my exported tabs, some of them sorted into specific interest areas, e.g. Windows 10.

        If I need to find something I looked at previously then I just hit CTRL+F (for ‘Find’) on my Home page and look for trigger words/partial phrases.

        Idiosyncratic perhaps… but it works for me. 🙂

        Hope this helps…

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