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  • Is KB 4580980, the .NET update preview for 1903 and 1909, being installed even if you don’t “seek” for it?

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      • #2305856 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        A distressing post from @Brockton: I’m running Win10 Home 1909 which was current with the October updates and currently updates are NOT paused.  I sti
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      • #2305863 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Deja vu 🙂
        #2285636

        @Brocktoon falls into the second condition of auto scan

        – if .NET Security CU is already installed, .NET Preview CU will be offered and installed

        Win10 Home do not have any delay measures (except pause and metered connection)

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        • #2306123 Reply
          brian1248
          AskWoody Lounger

          Windows 10 home can also use wushowhide.  I use a metered connection and wushowhide.  I’ve never used pause.  Still on 1909.

          When .NET preview, KB 4580980, I just used wushowhide to block it.

          • #2307001 Reply
            WCHS
            AskWoody Plus

            When .NET preview, KB 4580980, I just used wushowhide to block it.

            I have yet to see the Oct 20 KB4580980 dotNET [non-security, Week ‘C’] Preview appear in the WU queue so that wushowhide can hide it.

            I never click on “Check for updates”. I just wait for updates to appear in the WU queue and then I use wushowhide to hide them until MS-DEFCON is 3+

            In the past (Jul 21, Aug 20, and Sept 16), the dotNET [non-security, Week ‘C’] preview appeared in the WU queue and I hid it, but it disappeared later on Patch Tuesday when there arrived in the WU queue the dotNET [security, Week ‘B’] CU, which I then hid until MS-DEFCON was 3+.

            I have not yet unhidden and have not yet installed the Oct 13 KB4578974 dotNET [security, Week ‘B’] CU because I am waiting for MS-DEFCON to reach 3+.

            So, everything seems to be the same this month as it was in Jul, Aug, and Sept.

            So, why is the Oct 20 KB4580980 dotNET [non-security, Week ‘C’] preview not appearing in the WU queue?

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      • #2305866 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I had this happen with a previous .net “preview” update, but have not yet had it happen with the one released today.

      • #2305956 Reply
        Brocktoon
        AskWoody Lounger

        Looks like a reply I edited may has disappeared … I apologize if this is a repost below:

        Thanks for the input folks!  So it sounds like for Win10 Home users, we need to start deploying wushowhide?  If Home users pause updates, the .NET preview would install when you un-pause at the end of the month as it checks or seeks for updates.  But if you’re not paused and not actively checking/seeking, from abbodi86

        if .NET Security CU is already installed, .NET Preview CU will be offered 
        and installed

        Darned if you do … darned if you don’t with these .NET previews.  So far this does not seem to happen with other updates (yet?).  MS has turned most Home users into beta testers for the .NET patches … I’d like to think this is not the intention but a bug?

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        • #2305975 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          I don’t know if wushowhide will work as this is a stealth patch; you don’t know it’s coming until it’s already there. You can try running wushowhide often to see if you can catch the patch before it installs, but I don’t know how effective that method would be in preventing this type of update.

          G{ot backup} BetaTest
          offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
          online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
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          • #2306030 Reply
            geekdom
            AskWoody Plus

            I haven’t tried Windows Update Blocker, but it’s under discussion here:

            Windows Update Blocker

            G{ot backup} BetaTest
            offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
            online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
      • #2305994 Reply
        DRW
        AskWoody Lounger

        I have 2004. It installed something on my computer based on the “set up” message that came up when I booted my computer this morning, even though I have Pro with updates requiring permission. @#$%!

        • #2305996 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          What version of Win10 Pro were you running when this happened?
          What Group Policy settings do you have (all of the ones concerned with Windows Update)?
          Have you tried to roll back to your previous version? (You have 10 days as long as you have not run Disk Cleanup (or the equivalent in the Settings App).

          • #2306002 Reply
            DRW
            AskWoody Lounger

            What version of Win10 Pro were you running when this happened?
            What Group Policy settings do you have (all of the ones concerned with Windows Update)?
            Have you tried to roll back to your previous version? (You have 10 days as long as you have not run Disk Cleanup (or the equivalent in the Settings App).

            It was most up to date 2004 (last updated 10/13). My gpedit setting is 2 (notify for download)

            My history shows my last update as 10/13, but I had a splash screen telling me about changes to things like Settings app and Xbox game bar app.

            Maybe I’m overreacting, but this was unexpected.

            • #2306035 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              If you are on 2004, it wasn’t an upgrade.
              It may have been KB4023057, MIcrosoft’s “upgrade you whether you want it or not” patch.
              I ran into this on one of my computers.
              It doesn’t install as an update, but as a Program called Microsoft Update Health Tools
              Look in SettingsApp\Apps or in Control Panel\Programs and Features.
              If you find it, uninstall it.

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              DRW
            • #2306031 Reply
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              Did you check installed updates and programs?

              G{ot backup} BetaTest
              offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
              online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
              • #2306034 Reply
                DRW
                AskWoody Lounger

                Did you check installed updates and programs?

                Yes. It shows the last activity was on the 13th. So I don’t know why this happened

      • #2306092 Reply
        marklang
        AskWoody Plus

        I am running Windows 10 Pro 1903, and I got the .net preview update listed as ready to install.  I did not manually check for updates.  It came from the background check.  I used winshowhide to block it without installing it.  It seems that the previews now are considered normal updates and pushed out with them. I also got KB4023057 pushed to me, and I blocked it the same way.   I am using Group Policy to delay updates.

      • #2307023 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I tried WuMgr yesterday and it’s really nice.
        Shows all the updates and lets you install only those you want, so I’ve ignored the NET preview update – you can hide updates if you want as well.

        cheers, Paul

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