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  • Is Microsoft messing with your Win10 Search box?

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    • #2125161 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Howard Goldberg has been discussing the change in his Win10 version 1909 Search bar text, from “Type here to search” (shown above) to “Start a web sea
      [See the full post at: Is Microsoft messing with your Win10 Search box?]

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    • #2125191 Reply

      pHROZEN gHOST
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’m still on 1903.

      When I get to 1909, I won’t care what they do to the search box. I use Open Shell Menu.

      Byte me!

    • #2125214 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      , it appears as if Microsoft is updating the Search box without your advice or consent.

      It’s not without consent. We agreed to automatic updates when we started using Windows 10:

      6. Updates. The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

      Start, Settings, About, Read the Microsoft Software License Terms
      (or C:\Windows\System32\license.rtf)

      P.S. Do Android, iPad/iPhone, Chromebooks get automatic updates by default?

      Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

      • #2134850 Reply

        jagshemash
        AskWoody Lounger

        yes, consent if forfeited. but advisement used to be common sense.  how’s an admin or user to know if it’s malware hijacking the OS, or just windows doing what windows does these days? one of the many reasons i’ll never “consent”.

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      • #2134937 Reply

        anonymous

        “You can’t use windows 10, at all, unless you let us mess with things all the time”, in the fine print few people actually read, after “we’re going to install windows 10 unless you can figure out the increasingly hidden way to stop it”, doesn’t really count as “consent” in common usage, even if it stands in a court of law.  Making unexpected changes isn’t very friendly, even if the legal bases are technically covered.

        I don’t understand why you are always so intent on giving some justification of Microsoft’s tactics.  They used to be nicer to their users.

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    • #2125224 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP

      They give some with the right hand, and take the double with the left one 🙂

    • #2125240 Reply

      anonymous

      1909 here, build 18363.628

      “Type here to search”, build 2020.02.02.6237943

       

    • #2125246 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      iPad/iPhone, Chromebooks get automatic updates by default?

      iPad/iPhone, Chromebooks get automatic updates by default. 99% of Android devices don’t get OS/Security updates at all.

    • #2125247 Reply

      WSaltamirano
      AskWoody Lounger

      Win 10 1909 built 18363.628

      I have “type here to search”, build 2019.07.18.6227079

      Bing search disabled

    • #2125248 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      1903 with Jan. 2020 updates and ChrEdge :

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      • #2125259 Reply

        howardagoldberg
        AskWoody Plus

        Thank you! That’s pretty cool to know – and I may head to the registry if I find I just can’t handle the new text. 😉

        But … and it’s a big but … if I go change it, what is to stop Microsoft from changing it back? Why did it change in the first place? What *other* changes to they way search is working are hiding?

        I just posted this in another online forum …

        ” … the issue for me, however, is not that web searches come up – I’m in a home office, and generally speaking, am happy to let Windows be Windows without *too* much under the hood tweaking. The issue is the disconcerting change of ‘template text’ in the search bar, and the fact it looks like the search interface (if not the engine) is being updated on the fly with no user control whatsoever. What happens if there is a ‘bad update?’ How would one roll back?

        Even the Store apps allow you to choose if they are auto-updated. It’s one thing if search gets updated on patch Tuesday, etc. and there is documentation about changes, but I didn’t think any part of Windows could just ‘change.’

        That said, *IF* Microsoft is slowly starting to think about Windows the same way they think about Office 365 Home/Individual (as a true subscription/service) … then I suppose we would expect for new features, new icon sets, etc. to just ‘magically’ appear. But even with Office 365, you have the control to choose an update channel, and even delay automatic updates – and there is documentation about updates even if you just leave things on automatic, so perhaps one could roll back a bad update.

        This is just a ghost in the machine, and it kind of freaks me out 😉”

        Moderator note: Please include link to posts also made in another forum. Thank you.

    • #2125252 Reply

      PaulForeman
      AskWoody Plus

      I am currently running:

      Windows 10 Home 1909
      Build 18363.592

      This is on a ‘simple’ HP home computer and as I am retired now – I don’t worry much about network connections or the like except to support my home wi-fi and what I’ve got here.  With that, I also do NOT use my Microsoft account and I have it “off” and don’t use much of any of the on-line connections involving Microsoft.  When I use my installed version of Word (2019 from a CD) it wants me to sign in and I just ignore that without any issues.

      I am able to search just fine using the file explorer search box for stuff on my PC and the Window search box from the Start/Windows button is also working fine.  If I pick the Internet, a search pops up in my default browser (foxfire) using the default search application (Startpage). I have Outlook for email using a link to my Apple iCloud account and my ISP mail account – again, no Microsoft links.

      Could part of this issue be connected to being on-line with Microsoft?  Just my 2 cents worth!

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    • #2125255 Reply

      Tex265
      AskWoody Plus

      Running Win 10 x64 v1903  Updated thru January 2020

      Upgraded to v1903 end of November 2019

      My search box shows “Type here to search”

      Build 2019.07.18.6227079

      Have Local Account only, not Microsoft Account – could this matter?

       

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v1903 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
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      • #2125260 Reply

        howardagoldberg
        AskWoody Plus

        I also log onto Windows with a local account, but Office 365 is connected to a MS account. So, it’s possible, but who knows?

    • #2125268 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Plus

      My fully updated 1909 says “Start your search”.

      search

      v. 18363.628

      Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

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    • #2125288 Reply

      Ken Sims
      AskWoody Plus

      1903 Build 18362.592.

      “Type here to search” with search version 2020.02.02.6237943.

    • #2125328 Reply

      anonymous

      Windows 10 Home 1909 Build 18363.592 – Local Account

      Up to date except for optional KB4532695

      Running Office 2019 OFFLINE – not signed in and not Office 365

      I’m seeing “Start a Web Search” – build 2020.02.03.6237948

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    • #2125351 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Just as a FYI … both of the systems that I originally posted about now have a search box build number of 2020.02.03.6237949.

      That’s four new builds that I know of that have been pushed out since I noticed this on Friday. What could possibly go wrong? 😉

      Note … my build number is slightly different from the previous poster who had 2020.02.03.6237948. A minor difference, but also then yet another build!

      EDIT … I spoke too soon! One of my computers is at … .6237949 the other is at … .6237948!

      What the? 😂😒

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      • #2132581 Reply

        howardagoldberg
        AskWoody Plus

        … and down the rabbit hole I go …

        The system that was at 2020.02.03.6237949… was ‘downgraded’ to 2020.02.03.623794at some point over the past few hours.

        So now both my systems are showing the same build. But, wow, that is just strange … I would have though the other system  would get an ‘upgrade/update’ to ‘9,’ at least that would have made sense as far as things go.

        I would love to know what is going on.

    • #2125359 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Just for those who are keeping score …

      So far the text in the search box could be at least one of the following:

      • Type here to search (vast majority, at least so it seems)
      • Search the web and PC (at least one from the original post)
      • Start your search (at least 1 confirmed with screenshot)
      • Start a Web Search (at least 2 confirmed)

      In and of itself, this really is odd. Of course I got stuck with the one that makes the least sense. Do people really start web searches from the Windows search bar? Maybe I’m wrong, but I just cannot imagine many people do …

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      • #2134655 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        My main machine was upgraded to 2020.02.03.6237948 overnight.

        I would estimate that, among the people I know, approximately… (checks notes) … zero percent intentionally search the web from the Windows Search bar.

        On the other hand, every search that uses Bing is logged in some Microsoft database somewhere.

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        • #2153402 Reply

          Ascaris
          AskWoody_MVP

          I would estimate that, among the people I know, approximately… (checks notes) … zero percent intentionally search the web from the Windows Search bar.

          When I was evaluating Windows 10 (1507) way back when, I never even used the Windows search bar.  I’d had Classic Shell installed in 7, and when I upgraded it to 10 (using a USB drive, not GWX), it still had Classic Shell on it afterwards.  A quick change to the settings for the taskbar and the search bar was gone, and from then on I had the same Classic Shell search I’d been using for a while– and it was IMO far better than the native MS search had ever been, second only to the superlative Everything search (which is just as complete but beats it on speed).

          Of course, that would only protect you from this particular issue.  When MS feels that they can mess with anyone’s system at any time, it could easily be something that the likes of Classic Shell (or its open-source progeny) can fix.  Things like this were the means by which I was chased out of Windows-land!

          Group "L" (KDE Neon User Edition 5.18.1).

    • #2126185 Reply

      Cybertooth
      AskWoody Plus

      , it appears as if Microsoft is updating the Search box without your advice or consent.

      It’s not without consent. We agreed to automatic updates when we started using Windows 10:

      6. Updates. The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

      Start, Settings, About, Read the Microsoft Software License Terms
      (or C:\Windows\System32\license.rtf)

      P.S. Do Android, iPad/iPhone, Chromebooks get automatic updates by default?

      So then, using a tool to block Windows 10 updates (such as the Windows Update MiniTool) is a violation of the Windows 10 license terms?

       

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      • #2129112 Reply

        anonymous

        I have Windows 10 Home and had to go and do a registry edit to get rid of the ridiculous web search function of the search bar the operating system came with. Who starts internet searches in their search bar anyway? I if I want to search the internet I’ll use my browser. I wonder if this has anything to do with MS trying to monetize all that sweet sweet telemetry they jammed in Win. 10 to the fullest extent possible by even collecting the file searches people do on their own computers. They’ll even get a few more bonus points by directing people to Bing and opening the pages in the nearly defunct Edge. I certainly hope it doesn’t revert back to this garbage with my next update. What a ridiculous mess Win 10. patching has turned out to be.

      • #2134729 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        So then, using a tool to block Windows 10 updates (such as the Windows Update MiniTool) is a violation of the Windows 10 license terms?

        Probably. The way to find out would be to block updates and then ask Microsoft for support (e.g. via the Get Help app).

        Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

        • #2134745 Reply

          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          It’s tempting to try that, to see what happens!  🙂

           

    • #2134601 Reply

      Wibbly
      AskWoody Plus

      Windows 10 Home

      1903 (18362.592)

      build 2020.02.03.6237948

      “Type here to Search”

    • #2134613 Reply

      csmits
      AskWoody Lounger

      Windows 10 Enterprise

      1903 (18362.329)  IT dept controls updates

      Search build 2020.02.03.6237948

      “Type here to search”

    • #2134629 Reply

      The Surfing Pensioner
      AskWoody Plus

      Windows 10 Home.

      1903 (18362.592)

      Build 2020.02.02.6237943

      “Type here to search”.

      –   My faithful old Win. 7 P.C. died of hard-drive failure on 28/12/19 and the charity I work for has replaced it with Win. 10. I have been too choked to talk about it; this O.S. just does not sing to me.

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      • #2134654 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        It’s hard to leave old friends behind, eh?

      • #2135964 Reply

        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        You have my sympathies.

        Win 7 Still Alive, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

    • #2134702 Reply

      Brocktoon
      AskWoody Lounger

      Finally got around to registering for the site … I was the anonymous who posted above:

      Windows 10 Home 1909 Build 18363.592 – Local Account

      Up to date except for optional KB4532695

      Running Office 2019 OFFLINE – not signed in and not Office 365

      I’m seeing “Start a Web Search” – build 2020.02.03.6237948

      Thinking back, my Office 2019 did get an update over the weekend … I’m not at home so I can’t check the current version, but I know the Office updated both 2019 and Office365, even though I’m not actually running 365.  Could the Office update have changed the search bar?

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      • #2134713 Reply

        joep517
        AskWoody MVP

        It is unlikely that an Office update would change the search bar.

        --Joe

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    • #2134714 Reply

      BobT
      AskWoody Lounger

      Windows 10 is making me less and less likely to ever want to use it. :/

      My PC is not a phone! When I sit down at my computer after a day’s work, with very limited time to use it, I expect it to work exactly as I expect! Not to have just gone magically changing itself to something else, which I’ll then have to waste more time hunting down or putting right.

      More and more we’re going towards this horrible future of just “renting a service” from Microsoft, as if we’re using a terminal in one of their shops or something, putting up with however they configure it and want it to work.

      It’s a PERSONAL Computer!

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      • #2134723 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        My PC is not a phone! When I sit down at my computer after a day’s work, with very limited time to use it, I expect it to work exactly as I expect! Not to have just gone magically changing itself to something else, which I’ll then have to waste more time hunting down or putting right.

        There’s nothing to put right with the search box text or build number, so no time wasted.

        Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

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    • #2134718 Reply

      jaman57
      AskWoody Plus

      Win 10 64 v. 1903, updated through December. Search box is version 2020.02.03.6237948. Text says “Start your search”.

    • #2134810 Reply

      access-mdb
      AskWoody MVP

      I have to confess that I wasn’t aware of what the lollipop (magnifying glass) on the taskbar did. All I’ve ever done is hit the windows key and start typing. It works every time (unless I’ve mistyped!), so what the text says or what the build number is is of no consequence to me – it. just. works.

      And I wonder if the text being shown is just happenstance and not anything to do with upgrades.

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      • #2134839 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        I wonder if the text being shown is just happenstance and not anything to do with upgrades.

        Could be. I just wish MS would document some of this stuff!

    • #2134856 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      And I wonder if the text being shown is just happenstance and not anything to do with upgrades.

      The text being shown is after Microsoft remotely messing with the registry, something Microsoft shouldn’t do (#2125248).

      • #2134895 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Microsoft remotely “messes” with the registry all the time (with consent, as always).

        Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

    • #2134905 Reply

      anonymous

      “Start a Search” WINDOWS 10 Home 1903 Build 18362.592

    • #2134910 Reply

      warrenrumak
      AskWoody Plus

      What really sticks out for me with some of these newer Search versions, is that they use a ton of memory.  Click on the Search box and it immediately consumes 120+ MB of memory on my machine.

      I did a little digging around I think I figured out why…. the entire search box is now a web application built with JavaScript & React.  This of course means that some kind of web rendering engine is required…. it’s probably Edge.

      There is a lot of evidence in the JavaScript source to suggest that it was built by the Bing team.  If I had to guess, I’d say that what happened here was that the desktop search experience was moved from the Windows team to the Bing web team, and they just don’t have the skills to build desktop programs with efficient C++.

      And, it looks like there is a mechanism to update the JavaScript code from a remote server, without actually upgrading the Search application itself.

      Maybe this also explains why the bugs with the new Windows Explorer search bar haven’t been acknowledged by the Windows team…. could very well be that the Windows team doesn’t even own that code anymore!

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      • #2134914 Reply

        howardagoldberg
        AskWoody Plus

        Whoa! If that’s true – so many issues, not the least of which is that Microsoft really has a “left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing” situation playing out here.

        Also, just to reiterate …

        I log onto Windows with a local account. The account showing up in the screenshot I provided (like Woody’s) is from the credentials stored on my system for Office 365. So, it means this new ‘search app’ feels free to log itself in using credentials on the system, without letting the user know it is a new app and you are being logged in. (It is taking advantage of the fact that this account is allowing login for MS apps automatically, but – why would I assume search is an app when it never was before?)

        I actually have two MS accounts stored in credentials, the other is just a spare email address that I setup in Outlook. Until I took the ‘auto login’ permission away from that account, the search box kept flipping back and forth between the two accounts! And there was no way to specify which account search should use. That’s really bad …

      • #2134930 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        I think that might be what @abbodi86 was hinting at when he said that the 1909 File Explorer Search box is WinRT/UWP code.

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        • #2134934 Reply

          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          Is the Search Box as evidenced by multiple builds random Microsoft testing?

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          online▸ Win10Pro • 1909.18363.657 • x64 • i5-9400 • RAM8GB • HDD • CanonMG3620 • Firefox74.0b6 • Windows{Defender/SystemImage/RescueDisk/Firewall}
        • #2134975 Reply

          warrenrumak
          AskWoody Plus

          Yes.  The container that loads the search web application is UWP.

          The search box on the Task Bar, and in Windows Explorer, both load C:WindowsSystemAppsMicrosoft.Windows.Search_(version)SearchApp.exe when you click on them.  Only the UI is different.

          Amusingly, while I was experimenting with the Windows Explorer search box, I got this:

          Untitled

          Which means that, yeah, JavaScript is used to render the filtered search results.  No wonder it’s so buggy… that’s way too much unnecessary technology to render a drop-down list.  I would bet real money that there are people working on the shell team at Microsoft who are not happy about this decision.

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    • #2134928 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      … and another build has been pushed to one of my systems:

      2020.02.04.6238049

      That’s at least one build a day since Friday …

    • #2135024 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      I don’t have Microsoft.Windows.Search anything under WindowsApps.
      W10 Home, 1903, build 18362.19h1

      cheers, Paul

    • #2135059 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Just for those who are keeping score …

      So far the text in the search box could be at least one of the following:

      • Type here to search (vast majority, at least so it seems)
      • Search the web and PC (at least one from the original post)
      • Start your search (at least 1 confirmed with screenshot)
      • Start a Web Search (at least 2 confirmed)

      In and of itself, this really is odd. Of course I got stuck with the one that makes the least sense. Do people really start web searches from the Windows search bar? Maybe I’m wrong, but I just cannot imagine many people do …

      Add on more variation to the possible ‘default text’ in the search box:

      Also, one of my computers has a new build this morning: 2020.02.04.6238073

      And as I checked to see if the other computer had also been updated, THIS is what I was greeted with (going to reboot now, with hopes that will ‘solve’ it):

      Search-Box

      UPDATE: SEARCH IS GONE. Reboot did NOT fix this. Now what?!

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      • #2135067 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        I just rebooted and got a completely black Search status screen as well.

        Momma don’ allow no Windows Searchin’ round here…

        Rebooted and it’s still black. I guess you really can break Win10 if you Search too much…

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        • #2135457 Reply

          wavy
          AskWoody Plus

          Mine too Woody and the search itself is non responsive. Enter does nada!

          🍻

          Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
          • #2135788 Reply

            wavy
            AskWoody Plus

            Booted up this morn and it is working fine, or at least as good as before. All I did was dither… 😁

            🍻

            Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #2135086 Reply

        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Plus

        Mine too. My search box just went black in the last few minutes…………………….was working this morning. Oh, Windows 7, where are you?

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    • #2135068 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      Based on the Microsoft user options (Control Panel) selected, the Search Box will show different versions. After I used O&O ShutUp10 in a second profile, Search Box reflected a different version than initially.

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    • #2135070 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      I just rebooted and got a completely black Search status screen as well.

      Momma don’ allow no Windows Searchin’ round here…

      Rebooted and it’s still black. I guess you really can break Win10 if you Search too much…

      • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 2 days ago by  woody.

      Wow, this is so disturbing. Only cold comfort is that it is clearly not ‘just me.’ I restarted searchui.exe and file explorer just to test … but now will just wait to see if something ‘magically’ fixes it.

      This has gone from interesting/annoying to full blown disabling.

      EDIT: Searching from within File Explorer still works … so this seems to be a display issue vs. an actual search issue. But wow …

      So far, my other  system (with ‘Start a web search’ as the display text) is still functioning normally.

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    • #2135074 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Based on the Microsoft user options (Control Panel) selected, the Search Box will show different versions. After I used O&O ShutUp10 in a second profile, Search Box reflected a different version than initially.

      What options are you referring to?

    • #2135081 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Also … there are other reports:

      Search Bar Text Now Says ‘Start a web search’ not ‘Type here to search’

       

    • #2135087 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      Options like this (and currently attempting to identify which were modified). Here is a sample:

      options

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        howardagoldberg
        AskWoody Plus

        Options like this (and currently attempting to identify which were modified). Here is a sample:

        options

        • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 2 days ago by  geekdom.
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        How do you access those settings? I’ve never seen them before!

        • #2135093 Reply

          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          Here is the O&O ShutUp10 software:
          https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

          This software combines Microsoft Windows 10 options into a handy package for easy toggle.

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    • #2135096 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Just as a FYI … both of the systems that I originally posted about now have a search box build number of 2020.02.03.6237949.

      That’s four new builds that I know of that have been pushed out since I noticed this on Friday. What could possibly go wrong? 😉

      Note … my build number is slightly different from the previous poster who had 2020.02.03.6237948. A minor difference, but also then yet another build!

      EDIT … I spoke too soon! One of my computers is at … .6237949 the other is at … .6237948!

      What the? 😂😒

      ^^^^ I think we just found out what ‘could possibly go wrong…’ 😠😒

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    • #2135099 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Here is the O&O ShutUp10 software:
      https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

      This software combines Microsoft Windows 10 options into a handy package for easy toggle.

      Ah, ok. Not a part of Windows. Feeling better that I had not missed something. Thank you for the clarification. (Obviously, I have not used O&O before …)

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      • #2135102 Reply

        geekdom
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        Do the Microsoft toggle switches on each of your computers differ for any settings and if so what settings?

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    • #2135100 Reply

      r1ma
      AskWoody Lounger

      Windows Search down for many, showing a blank box instead of search results | Windows Central https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-search-down-many-showing-blank-box-instead-search-results

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    • #2135103 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      The blank Windows Search box seems pretty widespread:

      https://twitter.com/search?q=Windows%20Search&src=typed_query&f=live

      https://twitter.com/search?q=Search%20Broken&src=typed_query&f=live

      One can only hope that a fix will be pushed as magically as it was broken …

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    • #2135106 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Do the Microsoft toggle switches on each of your computers differ for any settings and if so what settings?

      I went through both of my Win10 systems … Cortana and Search settings are all configured identifically.

      On one system, search is still ‘working.’ On my other system, it’s blank.

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    • #2135114 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      The blank Windows Search box seems pretty widespread:

      https://twitter.com/search?q=Windows%20Search&src=typed_query&f=live

      https://twitter.com/search?q=Search%20Broken&src=typed_query&f=live

      One can only hope that a fix will be pushed as magically as it was broken …

      Here is the main Reddit thread. It’s worldwide.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/ez8gan/windows_10_search_bar_not_working_after/

      A number of users are reporting that disabling Bing in the search bar resolves the issue:

      https://www.howtogeek.com/224159/how-to-disable-bing-in-the-windows-10-start-menu/

      I am personally a bit cautious about going this route until we know what the issue is, and how/why MS is updating search – concerned about the ‘cure’ being worse than the ‘disease’ in the long run since we have no idea what is actually at play yet.

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      • #2135119 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        You have good reason to be cautious. Disabling Bing in the Search bar triggered an obscure bug in one of the cumulative updates awhile back.

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    • #2135107 Reply

      anonymous

      Disabling Bing in Windows 10 search fixed the issue for me.

      https://www.howtogeek.com/224159/how-to-disable-bing-in-the-windows-10-start-menu/

      Had to reboot afterwards.

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    • #2135121 Reply

      Brocktoon
      AskWoody Lounger

      The blank Windows Search box seems pretty widespread:

      https://twitter.com/search?q=Windows%20Search&src=typed_query&f=live

      https://twitter.com/search?q=Search%20Broken&src=typed_query&f=live

      One can only hope that a fix will be pushed as magically as it was broken …

      Here is the main Reddit thread. It’s worldwide.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/ez8gan/windows_10_search_bar_not_working_after/

      A number of users are reporting that disabling Bing in the search bar resolves the issue:

      https://www.howtogeek.com/224159/how-to-disable-bing-in-the-windows-10-start-menu/

      I am personally a bit cautious about going this route until we know what the issue is, and how/why MS is updating search – concerned about the ‘cure’ being worse than the ‘disease’ in the long run since we have no idea what is actually at play yet.

      Exactly … I really won’t go about doing anything in the registry or Windows repairs/installs as you may end up in a much worse situation if Microsoft is playing around with something on the server side.

      It sounds like for people who do a reinstall or create a new user … things work for a bit then the search disappears again.  It sounds like after 15 minutes or so, Windows phones home and updates to the latest search version which we’ve seen is updating on a daily or more frequent basis.  This latest build is forced on the systems so you may get screwed no matter what.

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      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      You have good reason to be cautious. Disabling Bing in the Search bar triggered an obscure bug in one of the cumulative updates awhile back.

      Exactly. Trying to exercise patience. But boy, this is a biggie. A) We now know MS can push silent updates *at least* to the search ‘app,’ leading to  B) Search is apperantly and app, and C) Even local search (at least from the search bar) seems to need a way to phone home.

      Honestly a bit more than just a tad concerning …

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      • #2135125 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        You really, really have to wonder how anybody with a fiduciary responsibility can allow this kind of thing to happen to their machines.

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        • #2135147 Reply

          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Can prevent this kind of thing…

          cheers, Paul

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        • #2135193 Reply

          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          Woody, @b provided the answer to that upthread:

          …We agreed to automatic updates when we started using Windows 10

          Microsoft used to be more of a “libertarian” company that offered you updates that you could easily decline and didn’t mess with your computer without telling you. Live and let live. In recent years, it’s become an increasingly “authoritarian” company that pushes updates on you and (as we are now seeing with Search) is constantly messing with your system without your knowledge, and you are told that your only option is to stop using Windows. Our way or the highway.

           

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          • #2135212 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            Well, yes and no. It’s true that the fine print in the licensing agreement gives Microsoft the right to change anything on any Windows machine at any time. But is that kind of “agreement” valid?

            Historically, Win10 customers have been given some control over updates – and the control has improved immeasurably with Win10 version 1903’s Pause Updates feature. Then something like this happens.

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    • #2135160 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Here is one thing I just realized:

      On my system where search is still working ‘as expected,’ the build number was updated to 2020.02.04.6238073 shortly after booting up at around 5:30 a.m. (Eastern) this morning.

      The system where the search box is blank, also booted up at the same time, was still at version 2020.02.04.6238049 when the search box stopped responding.

      Note though, that BOTH systems seemed fine from about 5:30 a.m. until 5:55 a.m. or so.

    • #2135165 Reply

      it1
      AskWoody Plus

      Just to add that the BingSearchEnabled thing has not worked on the 2 machines I’ve got having this issue.

       

      They are both 1909, build 18363.628

       

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    • #2135178 Reply

      anonymous

      Also issue on my end from about a half hour ago.  Black search screen.

      SearchUI.exe showing “suspended” and “disabled”

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    • #2135228 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Also issue on my end from about a half hour ago.  Black search screen.

      SearchUI.exe showing “suspended” and “disabled”

      Suspended is probably nothing to worry about … it just means it’s not active. Even on my system where search is blank, when I open the blank box, the status changes from ‘suspended’ to ‘running’

      The ‘disabled’ is under UAC virtualization … and there are tons of disabled services. I’m pretty sure that’s normal.

      Even on my system where the search box IS working, the default state of searchui is ‘suspended’ and ‘disabled.’ So, I don’t think that’s the issue 🙂

    • #2135258 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      Crossposting in case this helps anyone, and to confirm if this works more broadly:

      For giggles, I just rebooted my system where the search box had gone blank at about 6:00 a.m. this morning (Eastern). I had already rebooted numerous times between 6:30 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. and the issued did not resolve.

      BUT, this time, indeed it did! Search is back … and was updated to build number 2020.02.04.6238073. That’s the same build on my system where search continued to work this morning.

      I’m guessing that in the background at some point during the last three hours, the search ‘app’ updated itself, but in order for everything to refresh/finish installing (who knows), the system needed to be rebooted (or perhaps ending the searchui.exe task might have done it also).

      It seems like some type of user intervention may be necessary for search to come back …

      I’m glad it’s back – but boy, is this a ding in my trust toward Microsoft …

    • #2135892 Reply

      anonymous

      Press Ctrl+Alt+Del, and select Task Manager.
      In the Task Manager window, select the Details tab.
      In the Name column, right-click SearchUI.exe, and then select End task.
      When you are prompted to end SearchUI.exe, select End process.

      Note The Windows Search process will automatically restart the next time that you search.
      If still , the issue persists, kindly ask him to follow this article: https://support.microsoft.com/en-in/help/4520146/fix-problems-in-windows-search

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    • #2153389 Reply

      Brocktoon
      AskWoody Lounger

      Looks like in the last day or so my ‘start a web search’ has now reverted back to ‘type here to search’.  Figured I’d post the update as others may see the same.

      I’ve had my Win10 Home 1909 updates on pause so no Feb updates for me.  Probably another search bar update may be moving everyone back to the same search text?  I’m currently not at my home system, but I think the search was version 2020.02.17.xxxx

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    • #2169368 Reply

      howardagoldberg
      AskWoody Plus

      I know that there are bigger MS bugs to quash – updates killing/hiding profiles, bootkits, and more – but … just FYI:

      I was away for most of this week. This morning, I boot up my system where the search box text has been changed to “Start a Web Search.”

      When first reaching the desktop (thankfully, despite being foolish and installing all the recent patches – I did reach the desktop to the correct profile), the search text still read ‘Start a Web Search.’

      Then LITERALLY, before my eyes … the texted changed to the default “Type here to search.”

      More interesting, on this system, the search build was still at 2020.02.14 …. (my other computer was already up to 2020.02.20 …)

      About fifteen minutes later, the search build on the machine in question also was boosted to 2020.02.20 … but the text changed before the build was updated – or at least before the ‘about’ info was updated! So, it appears that the search box text may not be directly related to search box build, and can somehow be changed through another process?

      It’s been quite a month MS patching wise …

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      • #2169385 Reply

        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        The best answer I can give is that Windows is unstable. There has been silence and little documentation from Microsoft personnel regarding any number of widespread problems.

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