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      • #240967 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        You’re a mean one, Mr. Grinch. Make sure you’ve set Windows to block version 1809, and don’t click “Check for Updates.” Yeah, I’ve been telling you th
        [See the full post at: It’s official: Microsoft now says it’s installing Win10 version 1809 when you “Check for Updates”]

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      • #240970 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        New Seekers beware, get in harmony with Woody 🙂

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      • #240976 Reply
        MrJimPhelps
        AskWoody_MVP

        If you want to install 1809 in a controlled fashion, you could get the ISO from heidoc.net, create an install flash drive (it won’t fit on a DVD), and then do the install yourself, offline. I much prefer to be in full control of that sort of process, rather than letting it simply happen whenever it will.

        I’m fortunate to have about 15 PCs to upgrade from 1709 to 1809, as well as a couple of extras to play around with first before actually deploying the upgrade. In fact, I am going to use the two extra PCs as “loaner” PCs: I will get the two loaners upgraded and in good working order; I will issue someone a loaner PC, and take their regular PC; I will backup their computer, then upgrade it to 1809; when all is in good condition with their regular PC, I will swap it back to them. This will give me plenty of time to upgrade each PC, and will result in almost no downtime for the user.

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        • #240977 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          v1809 will fit on a double layer DVD. I have used them to upgrade several PCs

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          • #240982 Reply
            MrJimPhelps
            AskWoody_MVP

            I thought about trying a double layer DVD. Don’t you need a double layer DVD drive in order to pull this off?

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            • #240987 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              The DVD drive in my old HP desktop (originally XP or Vista, upgraded to Win7) burns them perfectly. I use the Cyberlink program that came with the computer and survived the upgrades. I used Verbatim DVD+R DL disks.

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      • #240978 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        The rule seems to be that if you can foist the problem on others, it becomes their problem.
        “Check for Updates” does not translate to “Install Updates” in plain language and understanding.

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      • #240983 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Finally, at least we can test it…

        The Server Version is also re-released but they have Problems with the EVAL Version:

        Following the launch of Windows Server 2019, we started the process of publishing the media for the 180-day evaluation media. In the process, we found an issue with the Eval media and are in the process of fixing it. We will publish an update on its availability on the Windows Server blog once the Eval media is available. In the meantime, if you are looking to try Windows Server 2019, you can do it in Azure for free. Windows Server 2019 is available in Azure and you can get up to 750 hours of Windows virtual machine with your Azure free account. Please note that this does not affect the Windows Server 2019 media for purchase that is available in the usual channels.

        Use Azure until 😉

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      • #240994 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        If your PC is capable of booting of a USB key, then just copy the files in the ISO file to a FAT32 formatted USB stick. Much easier.

        If the file is bigger than 4GB, it won’t fit on a FAT32 partition (on a USB key) or 4,7GB DVD. For that you need to split it into 2 SWM files. See: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/split-a-windows-image–wim–file-to-span-across-multiple-dvds for details.

        For legacy PC’s you need to make sure that you perform the following extra action:

        Start -> run -> diskpart -> list disk -> select disk x (where x is the USB key) -> selection partition 1 -> active (to mark the specified partition on the USB key active.

        For (U)EFI PC’s you need to make sure that the EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.efi is present. (Note: This is the case for Microsoft Windows 8.1 and up. Then you can just simply copy the contents from the ISO to the USB key and it’ll work out of the box with booting.

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        • #240998 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          You can burn the ISO to a double layer DVD. I use Verbatim DVD+R DL. It’s bootable.

      • #240996 Reply
        zero2dash
        AskWoody Lounger

        Leave it to Microsoft to once again move the goal posts and change the rules.

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      • #240997 Reply
        – Reassigned account
        AskWoody Lounger

        For what it’s worth – I messed up a couple of weeks ago and got 1809 on my home PC (Windows Home version) but it seems to be working ok and no issues.

        At work I played lab rat and put it on an HP high-end laptop and a high-end HP workstation a week ago and got away with it – no issues and everything works.  I did have to input a couple of software keys for a couple of programs but that was likely program specific and once ‘re-authorized’ they ran fine.

        I’m still getting funny looks from some of the younger folks here when I keep muttering how I miss DOS.

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        • #241006 Reply
          Arvy
          AskWoody Lounger

          My experience with W10.1809 is the same as yours – “no issues and everything works.” Obviously it had a bad debut for some people, but I’ve seen no significant problems with it, nor with any of its subsequent update releases up to the current 17763.194 build. Perhaps the initial bad publicity may actually result in some lessons learned this time. We can hope.

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          • #241016 Reply
            BobbyB
            AskWoody Lounger

            @arvy well 1809 works fairly well just the usual niggles, networking on one machine an Acer needed coaxing to life with a combination of enabling certain Services and running netcfg -d on shut down, resolved 1st or 2nd? Cumulative update (probs Driver incompatibility). Edge doesnt seem to like my ISP webmail (no great loss I use Outlook’s 2010-19) IE11, not often used, seldom opens full screen and no longer offers to remember passwords and logins, although not a major problem really don’t use it much. That’s about it really just worth having, I suppose, if you like the “Dark Mode” long overdue. I mainly for Home and work use clean install to a Partition/VHD(X) not upgrade so possibly that’s why I am normally relatively trouble free. Main OS is 1709 so the debate rages here to 1803 or 1809, that is the question new 1TB SSD should be arriving apres xmas or the new year so I will pass final judgement then.

            • #241047 Reply
              Arvy
              AskWoody Lounger

              … new 1TB SSD should be arriving apres xmas or the new year …

              Couldn’t wait and so I went for a couple of Samsung 520 Gb M.2 NVMe’s for the new system — one for Windows and one for Linux.  Man, are those babies hot … literally … but the i9-9900k stays cool so far.  Not much advantage over-clocking that thing.

              Asus ROG Maximus XI Code board; Intel i9-9900K CPU; 32 GB DDR4-3600 RAM; Nvidia GTX1080 GPU; 2x512 GB Samsung 970 Pro M.2 NVMe; 2x2 TB Samsung 860 Pro SSDs; Windows 10.1809; Linux Mint 19.1; Terabyte Backup & Recovery
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              • #241051 Reply
                Microfix
                AskWoody MVP

                Nice rig, congrats and enjoy!
                BTW: You don’t need to worry about over-clocking the i9 CPU as MS will over-cook it for you, with hot patches 😀

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        • #241085 Reply
          Pixie
          AskWoody Lounger

          I also installed 1809 on my Win 10 Home HP laptop and updates last week bringing build to 17763.194.  Call me a guinea pig or lucky….but I am pleased to report I have not had any issues with my computer, files,  applications, etc.  I have never had any problems with Microsoft’s Win 10 upgrades to date but I don’t upgrade immediately upon release either.  Bought my HP  8/2017 with Win 10.

           

      • #241000 Reply
        MikeFromMarkham
        AskWoody Plus

        Just in time for Christmas, another lump of coal coming down the update chute if you’re not careful.

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      • #241007 Reply
        BobbyB
        AskWoody Lounger

        If you have “itchy fingers” you can always hide the “Seeker” button and one or two other tweaks here: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/65013-enable-disable-check-windows-updates-windows-10-a.html
        Since Win10 1803 Pro and above editions the notify before download (2) policy doesnt seem to work, so for Daily Defender updates try @microfix ‘s excellent suggestion here.

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        • #241021 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          So far (knock on wood) my setting 2 (notify download/install) continues to work on 1709, 1803 and 1809. Haven’t been updated/upgraded against my wishing yet (knock on wood again).

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        • #241041 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          My update from 1709 to 1803 retained the Group 2 setting as well as no drivers setting.

          So far so good, althought somewhere along the line in 1709 Cortana stopped appearing or responding (although it still shows in numerous settings). Also never re-showed in the 1803 update. SFC scans show everything OK.

      • #241012 Reply
        Mr. Natural
        AskWoody Plus

        Still avoiding 1809 in the corporate setting. I’ll be curious to see if it gets pushed to my laptop at home. I won’t “check for updates” though. Maybe in week or so I might try a test environment in WSUS. We’ll see after this holiday gift from Microsoft shakes out.

        Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

      • #241018 Reply
        Lars220
        AskWoody Lounger

        Concerning the ‘MS-speak’ semantics about the phrase “a key aspect of our controlled rollout approach” I am wondering if some of us here should consider replacing the word “controlled” with a possibly better word, such as “convoluted” ? – My Artha dictionary lists definition number 2 as: “2. highly complex or intricate and occasionally devious”. I think that last part about “devious” applies to Microsoft Windows 10 Updates. Just sayin …

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      • #241026 Reply
        BobbyB
        AskWoody Lounger

        Just a thought for folks out there it may be a good idea to either uninstall or hide KB4023057 if you want to avoid the charms of Win10 1809. I have mine hidden on Win10 Home 1803 here with WUMT seems to me. I have managed to avoid any nasty surprises despite a risky “Seek” 5 mins ago. Not guaranteed but so far so good.

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        • #241033 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          kb4023057 is hidden here also W10 Pro x64 and using WUMT which I prefer over wushowhide.
          Good shout! and as you say so far, so good.. 🙂

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      • #241031 Reply
        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        At least deferrals on Pro are working… I have a 7 day one for quality + SAC & 120 days for feature, clicked “Check for Updates” and got just the last Thursday cumulative update + MSRT.

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      • #241039 Reply
        Fred
        AskWoody Plus

        Concerning Windows 10:

        oh boy, GOOGLE sent me mail with advice….(times are changing)…

        ” “The October 2018 Update is now officially available for most devices, but Microsoft is only recommending advanced users to upgrade.” ”

        For once they might have listened to Woody? Well, I will!

        ~ Lives Matter
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      • #241038 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’ve done the experiment. Check for updates resulted in a failed 1809 installation and unusable OS on attempted rollback. Re-imaged from a few weeks prior and updates have happened on their own, but did not push check for updates this time, and still on 1803.

        System is not compatible with 1809 but was still updated. Is there something wrong with me, now that I don’t feel bad when lied to???

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        • #241065 Reply
          Mr. Natural
          AskWoody Plus

          Here we go again. Next few days should be interesting.

          Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

      • #241043 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Windows as a Grinch.

        That has been true for years now with MS but they never get a double heart like in the end of the movie/book. MS stays Grinch forever and ever and ever…..FOREVER>>>

        Time to move to a new OS like Linux or Reactos. That should be your next computerworld article or book on how to use Reactos.

      • #241052 Reply
        sheldon
        AskWoody Plus

        I have 1809 hidden via WUSHIDE and Feature set to Semi-Annual Channel and 365 days delay.  Will these settings override “check for updates”?

        • #241056 Reply
          John
          AskWoody Lounger

          Just say no to being a Windows seeker.

      • #241061 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        This whole episode with Windows 10, since the start, has been an exercise in deceptive practices.

      • #241080 Reply
        warrenrumak
        AskWoody Plus

        They really need a separate button for this.  Split it into “Check for security updates” and “Install next feature update”.

         

        • #241261 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          My suggestion: shift clicking ”Check for Updates” should make you a seeker just like shift clicking ”Restart” in start menu shows startup settings and shift clicking ”Shutdown” performs full shutdown if fast startup is enabled. This way non-advanced users don’t install these preview updates by accident while making it possible to check for security updates only.

      • #241083 Reply
        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Plus

        Hmmm. Reminds me in less rational moments of that film, “Transcendence”. Perhaps MS believe their designs, once viral, will infiltrate our computers, take possession of our minds and conquer the earth? Then Big Brother will no longer be watching you, he will become you.

      • #241087 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Time to move to a new OS like Linux or Reactos. That should be your next computerworld article or book on how to use Reactos.

        What is Reactos? Is it better than Windows?

        • #241104 Reply
          mn–
          AskWoody Lounger

          ReactOS is an open-source operating system that tries to be binary-compatible with Windows, down to the device drivers.

          They’re still claiming to be “alpha-grade” and nowhere near ready for mainstream, also tends to be some number of generations behind current Windows for compatibility – which means it may still run software that current versions of Windows won’t.

        • #241114 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          What is Reactos? Is it better than Windows?

          As mentioned above, it a open source OS that is free to use. It is in aplha testing but most of Windows programs run on it. Windows 10 is in aplha test as well in my opinion. Most if not all of the older programs that do not work with new Windows works on Reatos.

          Yes, it is better than Windows in my eyes. MS even sued them to stop them from making a better windows. MS lost the fight with them.

      • #241109 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        It’s possible to put the Microsoft Windows ISO on a Dual Layer DVD, but just impractical. That’s what I’m saying, as you’d need the time to burn it. You’d need Dual Layer DVD’s (are they still common nowadays?) You’d need an optical drive in the specified PC (are they still common in PC’s or laptops nowadays?) or an USB optical drive. It takes extra time to install it from the optical drive to the HDD / SSD etc.

      • #241289 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        For those that start 1809 downloading and want to stop it; Metering on should halt it but it will wait until metering turns off before resuming the download (Home version). If you have Pro version, Pause is also good.

        Reference the Dec 10 article: https://www.askwoody.com/2018/heres-how-to-hide-kb-4023057-and-any-other-win10-updates-you-dont-want/

        “+ Open Services – highlight Windows Update Service, Disable, Apply, Stop the service (upper left)”

        + Command Line: shutdown -r -f

        reference: https://www.askwoody.com/2018/once-again-kb-4023057-gets-pushed-out-to-all-win10-versions-and-you-dont-want-it/ September 9, 2018 at 3:24 pm

        “+ Open Services – highlight Windows Update Service, set to Manual, Apply, DO NOT start the service. Close Services.”

        + Command Line: shutdown -r -f

        Check in Settings\Update & Security\Windows Update, that 1809 is not available. You may also need to shutdown -s -f

        YMMV, Just know you can eventually stop it if it does not get fully downloaded.

        KP

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      • #241643 Reply
        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        v1809 has been decent for my uses. No problems, and it turned out to be reasonably tweakable. I’m running a “no Apps, 89 processes when idle” desktop-centric result quite nicely. Reliability has even reached 100%.

        Got a new workstation on order from Dell. It’s coming with Windows 10 pre-installed on about the 2nd week of next month. I wonder if it will come with v1809? If so, I’m ready to tweak it. If not, I’m ready to upgrade it then tweak it…

        Only negative v1809 issue I’ve been indirectly involved in so far is that a fellow member of a pre-release team had repeating system crashes that he finally traced to a USB flash drive driver from some old stick he plugged-into his system years ago. A pretty rare one, as it was, since an internet search turned up almost no info. Easy enough to diagnose, since the name of the driver was provided by the system during the crash. Just had to find the file and dump its contents to see what it was part of.

        -Noel

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