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PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley Unless you have a pressing need to stay on 21H2, Windows 10 22H2 has proven stable enough to be my new recommended versio
[See the full post at: It’s time to install Windows 10 22H2]
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
I know you like InControl, but for those of us with win10/pro, could you also include the gpedit way to make those changes? It arises so infrequently that I forget the right place to go-to from one year to the next. for other win10/pro people: open gpedit admin enabled. Go to adminstative templates -> WindowsComponents -> WindowsUpdate. From there go to “windows update for business” then “Select the target update” and just change the “target version” field. I know that seems like a lot of “clicking around”, but I find that pretty easy to do
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/6000013-registry-keys-and-commands-to-extend-roll-back-period/
We always have the settings in the knowledge base pages on the site.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
@bernie, I JUST did the 22H2 Upgrade using Same GP step you describe. Clk’d Chk for Updates in Settings and Amazingly the whole process incl Re-start took about 90 seconds. My desktop looks the same and use will verify All OK.
W10 Pro 22H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desk-Ethernet - SSD-HDD/ i5(8th Gen) 12GB / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0
I have upgraded to Windows 10 22H2. The upgrade removed some custom registry keys I had (such as a registry key to remove the shortcut arrow from shortcut icons). However the registry key to keep my system at level 22H2 and not upgrade to Windows 11 did remain after the update.
Easy fix as I added the custom keys after the update and all is back like I had it.
HTH, Dana:))
Susan,
After reading your article I immediately checked my wife’s machine, the only Win 10 Home in the house, and sure enough It is offering Windows 11 even though I’ve installed the block to keep it on 22H2.
I then tried running the DSIM command extend the uninstall period to 60 days and I got the following responses:
I tried SFC /ScanNow and DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth both of which failed to fix the 1168 error.
Ideas anyone?
Just ordered Win 10 Pro for her machine! The last thing I need is for her to get 11 she hates change!
https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-11-extend-rollback-period/
Use the registry editor method
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
I originally used gpedit to set the version. Then later I used InControl when you advised us of this. I now changed InControl to 22H2, is this sufficient or do I have to make the change in gpedit too?
I have the same question. I used InControl to set 22H2 and then looked at gpedit – it still shows 21H2.
It seems like gpedit retrieves its values from
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy Objects\{6065D7E5-D559-409E-A90D-D3133B346861}Machine\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
but stores it in the same location that InControl does, as well as the above mentioned key.
Basically, it is currently NOT recommended to go from Windows 10 to Windows 11 if your PC is currently running Windows 10. That is what is meant by the phrase you quoted.
Another way of putting it: “If you have a computer that is running Windows 11, and it came with Windows 11 already pre-installed on it, stay on Windows 11 21H2; do NOT go to Windows 11 22H2.”
I hope this helps clarify things for you a bit.
I then tried running the DSIM command extend the uninstall period to 60 days
This works only during the first 10 days after installing/upgrading to new release.
Apologies I just got a delivery from the po box. It’s probably in there.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
Can I use this one to allow Windows 10 22H2 now?
Click here to install the Registry key to install Windows 10 22H2 when it comes out
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
“TargetReleaseVersion”=dword:00000001
“ProductVersion”=”Windows 10”
“TargetReleaseVersionInfo”=”22H2”
Yes. the Registry keys for Windows 10 and 22H2 should overwrite the ones to keep you on 21H2.
Hey Y’all,
As a follow up to my previous post I got my DISCOUNTED copy of Win 10 Pro upgrade for < $34 USD. Well when I tried to use it by just going into Activation and entering the key it wouldn’t work. So I looked at the documentation on the site where I purchased it and they wanted a screen shot of the Installation ID: and they provided info on how to get it [Admin Command Prompt: SLUI 4] and they showed an example. Low and behold on that example there was a MS number to call. So I thought what the heck it was already 11:30PM might as well see if it works.
Not suprisingly, I got someone in India or Pakistan who was hard to understand but very patient and helpful. He asked me if I bought my key from a 3rd party and I said yes. He then instructed me to enter a 5 character value (turns out to be first 5 of a Key) into the search box on Bing.com [No ENTER KEY!]. Up pops a whole list of keys from history. He has me copy the first one. Then hey says copy this into the Change Key box on the Activation screen, let it update, Reboot Twice! Then enter the key I purchased.
Sure enough worked like a charm. And as I might point out MS didn’t seem at all concerned as to where I purchased the key or how much I paid for it. I’m just sayin’
In conclusion and to the point of this thread, after entering the appropriate information in GPEDIT the Settings, Update section no longer displays the blue upgrade to Win 11 box!
WU checks once per day max, more likely once every few. One of the reasons I like WUMgr is you can check when you want.
cheers, Paul
I wish you had asked sooner while it was all fresh 🙂
Best I can recall in GPedit, Internet Communications Settings turn off Customer Experience Improvements. (let me know if you need the full path to get there)
Services – Connected User Experience
Tasks was just the defrag and customer experience improvement.
Pretty sure those were the two. I check 24-30 things each Feature Update. Previously, manuy more got changed like removing the “shortcut” word in desktop shortcuts would get reset. The recycle bin custom icon could get reset to default. Sometimes inactive window title color. Things like that. Some more annoying than others.
This time only those three. Was a fast check. I also save registry entries as favorites so I can clcik down the list to see if regisrty entries had changed. Like maxcachedicons, etc.
Good guide on telemetry here:
https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-10-11-disable-telemetry/
Hope that helps.
@WCHS –
To the best of my current knowledge, not everything is in GPedit. See below for details.
The Customer Experience Improvement Program item is in the Task Scheduler under Task Scheduler Library>Microsoft>Windows as a folder-looking icon. I have never looked for this item in GPEdit, I have always just looked in the Task Scheduler for it.
Connected User Experience is, as @rebop2020 mentioned in his post, one of the myriad of services in the Services app that you can access by right clicking the taskbar and selecting Task Manager. In Task Manager, click on the tab at the top labeled “Services”, and then click on the item in blue at the bottom with a “gear”-looking symbol that says “Open Services”. Once you’re in the Services app, scroll down till you see the item that says “Connected User Experience. Before disabling this item, carefully read the description of all that it does, as you might have issues later if you try to use a troubleshooter to help you solve a problem in Windows. Because of that, I have never disabled this service.
Defrag is another item listed in the Task Scheduler in the same place as mentioned above, only this item is a folder says “Defrag”. Same thing as Customer Experience Improvement item, I’ve never looked for this item in GPEdit.
The one thing that is in GPEdit is in Administrative Templates>System>Internet Communication Management>Internet Communication settings. In there, (probably towards the bottom of the list) is a setting labeled “Turn off the Windows Messenger Customer Experience Improvement Program”. I have this item set to “Enabled”.
The only problem I encountered was, initially, I had my system set to not update beyond 21H2 using that .reg key and my first attempt to use the enablement package failed. I fixed that by changing the key to 22H2 and it installed just fine.
Since you indicated you’ve already set yours for 22H2, you should be good to go.
Of course, just in case, you should make a full backup of your drive C: before installing it.
BTW, both of my PC’s took less than 5 mins to complete the install and most others who’ve posted they moved from 21H2 to 22H2 indicated similarly quick install times.
Wow! The difference kb5015684 made! When I scanned for updates after installing it, the feature update 22H2 appeared almost at once and slipped in more easily than a Windows Defender update – I blinked and nearly missed it. It didn’t even ask for a restart, although I gave it one anyway, for luck. Winver shows it is installed. Many thanks – Microsoft ought to publish these little enablement packages more often. Talk about greasing the wheels!
I found it here:-
AskWoody MVP Alejr offered the link in his post #2491427
I did hesitate because MS don’t make this patch easily available, but it has certainly worked for me!
The Surfing Pensioner,
OMG. How simple is that. Less than a minute. Thanks to Alejr for the link and you for showing me where it was on this forum.
HP Pavilion Desktop TP01-0050 – 64 bit
Windows 10 Home Version 22H2
OS build 19045.3324
Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019
-Version 2308(Build 16731.20170 C2R)
When WU scans for updates, the list of available updates is put in a cache. It is the cache you see in the WU queue. That cache remains the same till the next time WU scans on its own. The list is STATIC except immediately after WU scans for updates.
When you run wushowhide, the scan is DYNAMIC (real time). After you hide an update, and rescan with wushow, the update is not listed because the scan is in actual time.
Therefore, you have to CLEAR THE CACHE in WU to make the list (queue) show the real-time pending updates. AKB2000013 discusses this. If you use @Matador ‘s method, found down the thread, it is an easier way to clear the cache (queue).
One thing you need to be aware of:
Pausing updates, then Resuming causes an immediate scan/download/install. So you need to be sure before you do (double check wushowhide to be sure) that ONLY the updates you want are what you see in wushowhide – because that is what you are going to get IMMEDIATELY.
These improvements help make sure that updates are installed seamlessly on your device, and they help improve the reliability and security of devices that are running Windows.
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When this update is installed, new options for cleaning up disk space will be available
Horrendous. Why would Microsoft assume anyone wants seamless updates with improved reliability, better security and more cleanup options?
Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge
I agree. Horrendous. For anyone who cares about having some control over their computer.
Notes:
- For feature update information for Windows 10, version 1809, 1903, 1909, 2004, and 20H2, see KB 5001716.
- This update may request your device to stay awake longer to enable installation of updates.
Note The installation will respect any user-configured sleep configurations and also your “active hours” when you use your device the most.
- This update may try to reset network settings if problems are detected, and it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully.
- This update may repair disabled or corrupted Windows operating system components that determine the applicability of updates to your version of Windows.
- This update may compress files in your user profile directory to help free up enough disk space to install important updates.
- This update may reset the Windows Update database to repair the problems that could prevent updates from installing successfully. Therefore, you may see that your Windows Update history was cleared.
Thanks to b and PKCano for the Pro’s and Cons of installing kb4023057
FWIW, I use WUMgr to hide it without issues on any W10 whether updating/ upgrading so, to me kb4023057 seems rather mute irrespective of what the documentation claims.(or not publicly for that matter, trust issue – hell yeah!)
MSFT messing with profiles is a big no, no in my book
W10 1809 ring any bells…major profile FUBAR in some cases and so much so even MSFT had to re-issue 1809 later.
Having MSFT normalize the OS is also a concern, which has taken lots of research, experimentation and time to tune as close to an operating system that works for our needs, not their vacuuming, less control policy.
Go to:
Settings>Update and Security>Windows Security>Vitus and Threat Protection>Current Threats>Protection history
If nothing is there click on Filters>Blocked actions and clear all checkmarks and it will appear.
If your ap is there click on it and then click on actions and you can allow it thru without disabling Reputation based protection.
The list of previously allowed aps is here:
Settings>Update and Security>Windows Security>Vitus and Threat Protection>Ransomware protection>Manage ransomware protection>Allow an ap through Controlled folder
There is a list of all aps trusted and previously allowed. Unless you have never allowed any trusted aps through before.
HP Pavilion Desktop TP01-0050 – 64 bit
Windows 10 Home Version 22H2
OS build 19045.3324
Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019
-Version 2308(Build 16731.20170 C2R)
Just to note, I don’t see SmartSense listed anywhere but that was what it said in the pop-up.
It said SmartScreen, mentioned on the page where you switched it off.
Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge
If Windows detects it’s an SSD, Defrag simply performs a Trim command
cheers, Paul
Can I just carry on as I am and forget about volsnap?
Yes.
Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge
IMHO there’s probably as many different ways to maintain a PC as there are to cook eggs – after all, over time we all customise our PCs. As long as each operator finds a method that works for them, it’s good. I hope you find a method that works for you.
SSDs are trimmed and defragmented if you leave Windows to do its thing. (links above)
SSDs do NOT have short lives in real world use. The SSD Endurance Experiment: Two freaking petabytes
Stop trying to work out what to do and get on with making regular backups and enjoying your computing.
cheers, Paul
Made a backup 1st. Upgraded from 21H2 to 22H2 Windows 10 without issues from a downloaded iso. The upgrade actually fixed a problem where when I selected Settings/Accts/SignInOptions on 21H2, my PC would hang and not open the option. The majority of my previous settings were honored and not changed by the upgrade. Some of my settings in Settings/Privacy appeared to be re-anabled, but I may be misremembering. Once updated & got all the settings the way I like, made a post upgrade backup. Was surprised to see that the updates from 21H2 still showed in Window Updates/View Update History. Under Uninstall Updates are only updates that pertain to 22H2. Does anyone else see this or is unique to my install. I had been having weird problems with View Update History in 21H2.
SurfingPrisoner:
SurfingPrisoner:
Freudian Slip Fred?? 😂
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