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    PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley Unless you have a pressing need to stay on 21H2, Windows 10 22H2 has proven stable enough to be my new recommended versio
    [See the full post at: It’s time to install Windows 10 22H2]

    Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #2503561

      I know you like InControl, but for those of us with win10/pro, could you also include the gpedit way to make those changes?   It arises so infrequently that I forget the right place to go-to from one year to the next.    for other win10/pro people: open gpedit admin enabled.  Go to adminstative templates -> WindowsComponents -> WindowsUpdate.  From there go to “windows update for business” then “Select the target update” and just change the “target version” field.   I know that seems like a lot of “clicking around”, but I find that pretty easy to do

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    • #2503569

      @bernie, I JUST did the 22H2 Upgrade using Same GP step you describe. Clk’d Chk for Updates in Settings and Amazingly the whole process incl Re-start took about 90 seconds. My desktop looks the same and use will verify All OK.

      W10 Pro 22H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desk-Ethernet - SSD-HDD/ i5(8th Gen) 12GB / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

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    • #2503567

      Hi Susan, if I use Update Now to get Windows 10 22H2, won’t it also install Preview KB5020030?  Or is that not causing any annoyances?

    • #2503573

      I have upgraded to Windows 10 22H2. The upgrade removed some custom registry keys I had (such as a registry key to remove the shortcut arrow from shortcut icons). However the registry key to keep my system at level 22H2 and not upgrade to Windows 11 did remain after the update.

      Easy fix as I added the custom keys after the update and all is back like I had it.

      HTH, Dana:))

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    • #2503576

      Hi Susan, if I use Update Now to get Windows 10 22H2, won’t it also install Preview KB5020030? Or is that not causing any annoyances?[/quote]
      Defer to Susan BUT ….Best answer IF you clarify Home or Pro…. I Don’t get Previews per PKC setting in GP = Put a “1” in WU for Business/ Select When Preview & Feature …./ How Many days After Feature box = 1 ….. NOT intuitive to me BUT it has worked….

      W10 Pro 22H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desk-Ethernet - SSD-HDD/ i5(8th Gen) 12GB / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

      • #2503597

        It’s Windows 10 Pro, Craig. I have those gpedit settings, thanks. But to my knowledge these are not always respected by MS Update – hence my question.

        If not @sb, maybe @PKCano or other savvies can clearify #2503567? Thx

    • #2503578

      Susan,

      After reading your article I immediately checked my wife’s machine, the only Win 10 Home in the house, and sure enough It is offering Windows 11 even though I’ve installed the block to keep it on 22H2.

      I then tried running the DSIM command extend the uninstall period to 60 days and I got the following responses:
      DISM-Errors

      I tried SFC /ScanNow and DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth both of which failed to fix the 1168 error.

      Ideas anyone?

      Just ordered Win 10 Pro for her machine! The last thing I need is for her to get 11 she hates change!

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

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    • #2503600

      Excellent 12/5 newsletter today.  I wish you would include the status below your MS-DEFCON status.

      • Windows 11 22H2: Not recommended
      • Windows 11 21H2: If you have a Windows 11 PC, recommended
      • Windows 10 22H2: Recommended
      • Windows 10 21H2: Recommended (if a vendor won’t support 22H2)

      I use both Registry keys and In Control on my PC and even though I changed my Win10 to update for 22H2 my PC didn’t update – so your reminder about downloading from MS’s ISO page was helpful.   Thanks.

      Custom Build - Intel i5 9400 5 Core CPU & ASUS TUF Z390 Plus Motherboard
      Edition Windows 10 Home
      Version 22H2 (OS build 19045.2251)

    • #2503616

      Does anyone know if 22H2 will also show up in WuMgr and can be downloaded through that as well?

      Thanks!

      • #2503619

        Providing you don’t have settings blocking it (Registry, Group Policy, WUMgr, InControl, etc), if it shows up in Windows Update, it should also show up in WUMgr since they both use the same Windows Update Service to scan for avail updates.

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        • #2503624

          Yep – just checked WuMgr and it was there – downloaded and installed on one laptop in a very short amount of time – a minute or so maybe? But after the restart, I checked WuMgr again and it offered me KB4023057 – which I’ll just hide.

          So far so good – I’ll leave the target version at Win 10 V22H2 in GP.

          Off to do the other laptop!

          Thanks!

    • #2503638

      I originally used gpedit to set the version. Then later I used InControl when you advised us of this. I now changed InControl to 22H2, is this sufficient or do I have to make the change in gpedit too?

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    • #2503642

      I have the same question. I used InControl to set 22H2 and then looked at gpedit – it still shows 21H2.

      It seems like gpedit retrieves its values from

      HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy Objects\{6065D7E5-D559-409E-A90D-D3133B346861}Machine\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate

      but stores it in the same location that InControl does, as well as the above mentioned key.

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    • #2503643

      22H2 Win10 has been stable here on two devices since the day after RTM
      Win10 Pro x64 (haswell) and Win10 Pro x86 (ivybridge), no regrets whatsoever.

      WaaS = Windows as a Syphon...suckers!

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    • #2503662

      I’m confused by this phrase “Windows 11 21H2: If you have a Windows 11 PC, recommended.”

      Do you mean a PC that was a Win 11 PC when new, or do you mean as well a currently Win-10 PC that is capable of running Win 11? In other words, for a consumer user now on Win 10 21H2 who has the hardware to support Win 11 and has no known compatibility issue with Win 11, is the recommended update to Win 10 22H2, or to Win 11 21H2?

      • #2503751

        Basically, it is currently NOT recommended to go from Windows 10 to Windows 11 if your PC is currently running Windows 10. That is what is meant by the phrase you quoted.

        Another way of putting it: “If you have a computer that is running Windows 11, and it came with Windows 11 already pre-installed on it, stay on Windows 11 21H2; do NOT go to Windows 11 22H2.”

        I hope this helps clarify things for you a bit.

         

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    • #2503668

      I then tried running the DSIM command extend the uninstall period to 60 days

      This works only during the first 10 days after installing/upgrading to new release.

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    • #2503842

      I wound up downloading Win12 22H2 from the page you mentioned. I’m not a fan of how it went. I was fine with it taking longer (though I didn’t expect it to be *that* long, with all the restarts), but it annoyingly reset some settings, including my Realtek audio options, some font size, icon zoom, and so on. And, of course, I had to take time checking everything else once I noticed some changes.

      I’m still not sure why I didn’t get the update normally. My dad’s computer, which I updated later, got the update right away once I clicked “Check for Updates” after changing the Group Policy setting, and it installed very quickly.

      But my point is that there are definite downsides to forcing the updates the way described. If I had to do it again, I’d have waited a bit to see if Microsoft eventually offered the update.

    • #2503889

      Its been sooo long since I changed this!

      I changed Target Feature Release Version to Windows 10 22H2. Been 24 hours and nothing offered up. SO looked again and forgot why I set When Preview Builds and Feature Updates are recived and I am set to 365. Is that why? What SHOULD that setting be?

       

      Thanks!

      • #2503893

        If you set GP to defer Preview/Feature updates for 365 days, that would mean you would not see the Feature update for a year after its release.

        If you want the Feature Update to 22H2, set the deferral = 0, or remove it completely.

        • #2503894

          or set the policy to ‘not configured’

          WaaS = Windows as a Syphon...suckers!

        • #2503895

          Thanks. I know I had a reason for that once upon a time. Have now set it to 30 days so gives Susan some time to review. Or is it needed at all now? If I have the target release version set, is this at all needed?

          As I said, been a while so a tad confused but getting more clear 🙂

           

    • #2503917

      Susan, I changed the target date in my GPI setting from 21H2 to 22H2 and checked for updates. Nothing showed up except for Quality update for 21H2 (KB5020030). The feature deferral setting is no longer configured.

      I use WUshowhide. I found that I hid the April updates KB 5005463 and KB4023057 for 21H2. Any help would be appreciated.

      Peace, CAS

      P>S>The check I sent to you to update my Plus membership in October has never cleared my bank.

      • #2503925

        Apologies I just got a delivery from the po box.  It’s probably in there.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #2503954

          Thanks for the information about my uncleared check, Susan. More importantly, the issue that kept me from updating to Win 10 22H2 was the fact I had not entered “Windows 10” in the box that requests the version to be changed. So simple and I missed it.

          The download and install then proceeded in less than two minutes. I’m now on Win 10 22H2(OS build 19045.2251).

           

          Peace, CAS

    • #2503926

      Susan,

      I used your registry changes to stay at Win10 21H2. I got it from here.

      6000003 Registry keys and group policy settings to select specific feature

      October 31, 2021 at 11:11 am                              #2399024

       

      Click here to install the Registry key to install to stay on Windows 10 21H2

      Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

      [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

      “TargetReleaseVersion”=dword:00000001

      “ProductVersion”=”Windows 10”

      “TargetReleaseVersionInfo”=”21H2”

       

      Can I use this one to allow Windows 10 22H2 now?

      Click here to install the Registry key to install Windows 10 22H2 when it comes out

      Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

      [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

      “TargetReleaseVersion”=dword:00000001

      “ProductVersion”=”Windows 10”

      “TargetReleaseVersionInfo”=”22H2”

       

      I am on Windows 10 21H2 Home.  I would also like to block Windows 11 for as long as possible.  If I use the registry key to install 22H2 (above) will this also block Windows 11?

      Thanks.

       

       

      HP Pavilion Desktop TP01-0050 – 64 bit
      Windows 10 Home Version 22H2
      OS build 19045.2486
      Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
      Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019
      -Version 2211(Build 15831.20208 C2R)

      • #2503935

        Can I use this one to allow Windows 10 22H2 now?

        Click here to install the Registry key to install Windows 10 22H2 when it comes out

        Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

        [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

        “TargetReleaseVersion”=dword:00000001

        “ProductVersion”=”Windows 10”

        “TargetReleaseVersionInfo”=”22H2”

        Yes. the Registry keys for Windows 10 and 22H2 should overwrite the ones to keep you on 21H2.

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        mpw
        • #2503952

          PK Cano,

          Will it also block Windows 11?

          Thank you.

          HP Pavilion Desktop TP01-0050 – 64 bit
          Windows 10 Home Version 22H2
          OS build 19045.2486
          Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
          Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019
          -Version 2211(Build 15831.20208 C2R)

          • #2503959

            That’s what the “Windows 10” is for.

            (Unless Microsoft starts forcing everyone)

    • #2503936

      Hey Y’all,

      As a follow up to my previous post I got my DISCOUNTED copy of Win 10 Pro upgrade for < $34 USD. Well when I tried to use it by just going into Activation and entering the key it wouldn’t work. So I looked at the documentation on the site where I purchased it and they wanted a screen shot of the Installation ID: and they provided info on how to get it [Admin Command Prompt: SLUI 4] and they showed an example. Low and behold on that example there was a MS number to call. So I thought what the heck it was already 11:30PM might as well see if it works.

      Not suprisingly, I got someone in India or Pakistan who was hard to understand but very patient and helpful. He asked me if I bought my key from a 3rd party and I said yes. He then instructed me to enter a 5 character value (turns out to be first 5 of a Key) into the search box on Bing.com [No ENTER KEY!]. Up pops a whole list of keys from history. He has me copy the first one. Then hey says copy this into the Change Key box on the Activation screen, let it update, Reboot Twice! Then enter the key I purchased.

      Sure enough worked like a charm. And as I might point out MS didn’t seem at all concerned as to where I purchased the key or how much I paid for it. I’m just sayin’

      In conclusion and to the point of this thread, after entering the appropriate information in GPEDIT the Settings, Update section no longer displays the blue upgrade to Win 11 box!

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

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    • #2503957

      So, set to Windows 10, 22h2. Did not enable waiting on feature releases (not configured) and have not been prompted to update. Must be 8 hours or so. Should I expect to be prompted? Tomorrow? Reboot? Curious why this has not yet happened and what I might have set wrong.

      I do not want to “check for updates” as I owuld not want anything not wanted to automatically install.

      Thoughts?

      • #2503962

        Has Windows Update scanned on its own?
        If not, things don’t just “show up” in the WU queue if it doesn’t.

        • #2503969

          I thought Win Update was tasked to check several times a day. And the way others above “seem” to have explained., theirs was there soon after making the GPedit change. So checking.

          I’ll do a reboot.

          • #2504040

            WU checks once per day max, more likely once every few. One of the reasons I like WUMgr is you can check when you want.

            cheers, Paul

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            • #2504091

              Thanks. I hasd thought more often than that.

              Got the notification this morning. Have my checklist to see what’s changed to their preferences rather than mine 🙂 Will report back in….

    • #2504107

      Wow. That was fast. Maybe 3 minutes from download to reboot.

      I have a list of maybe 30 things Feature Updates have changed previously. There “may” be two changed back for temelemetry and defrag. Checking. Other than that, no worries.

      • #2504127

        Almost finished my list to check. Telemetry was reenabled in Settings and GPedit and Tasks.

        ESET reports I need system updates even after updating and checking from ESET. Keeps popping back up. ESET issue I am sure.

        DEFRAG for my SSD was reenabled in tasks.

        That seems to be it.

        • #2504137

          Ajhhh, ESET is complaining about kb4023057. Need to go hide that and appease ESET.

        • #2506374

          @rebop2020 – In post number 2504127 above, you said

          …Telemetry was reenabled in Settings and GPedit and Tasks.

          Pardon me for being about three days late to this point of the conversation, but I have a question. Exactly which items in Settings, exactly which items in GPEdit, and exactly which items in Tasks were changed on your machine to re-enable Telemetry as you mentioned in the quoted item above?

          I’m asking because I’d like to check these exact same items on my machines to make sure they weren’t changed by the feature enablement package and, if they were changed, I’d like to change them back to where I had them set.

          Providing that info can also help many others who may have had the same thing happen to them unwittingly as well.

          • #2506382

            I wish you had asked sooner while it was all fresh 🙂

            Best I can recall in GPedit, Internet Communications Settings turn off Customer Experience Improvements. (let me know if you need the full path to get there)

            Services – Connected User Experience

            Tasks was just the defrag and customer experience improvement.

            Pretty sure those were the two. I check 24-30 things each Feature Update. Previously, manuy more got changed like removing the “shortcut” word in desktop shortcuts would get reset. The recycle bin custom icon could get reset to default. Sometimes inactive window title color. Things like that. Some more annoying than others.

            This time only those three. Was a fast check. I also save registry entries as favorites so I can clcik down the list to see if regisrty entries had changed. Like maxcachedicons, etc.

            Good guide on telemetry here:

            https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-10-11-disable-telemetry/

            Hope that helps.

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            • #2506388

              Thanks for the additional info. I’ve checked and two of the three settings you mentioned were still set to where I’ve had them for quite a bit…disabled. The one setting that wasn’t disabled was the Connected User Experience service. That is enabled, and because it helps with diagnostics I have never disabled it. I’ve had a hiccup or two along the way, and I believe that service has helped more than compromised anything with telemetry.

            • #2506442

              @Bob99:
              Since you’ve checked these, could you give the GP path to each one? I could benefit from this in time to note what the settings are before and after updating to Win10 22H2. I haven’t done the update yet.

              1. Customer Experience Improvements (where is this in GP?)
              2. Connected User Experience (where is this in GP?)
              3. Tasks – Defrag (where is this in GP?)
              4. Tasks – customer experience improvement (where is this in GP? Or is this the same thing as 1 above)?

            • #2507149

              @WCHS

              To the best of my current knowledge, not everything is in GPedit. See below for details.

              The Customer Experience Improvement Program item is in the Task Scheduler under Task Scheduler Library>Microsoft>Windows as a folder-looking icon. I have never looked for this item in GPEdit, I have always just looked in the Task Scheduler for it.

              Connected User Experience is, as @rebop2020 mentioned in his post, one of the myriad of services in the Services app that you can access by right clicking the taskbar and selecting Task Manager. In Task Manager, click on the tab at the top labeled “Services”, and then click on the item in blue at the bottom with a “gear”-looking symbol that says “Open Services”. Once you’re in the Services app, scroll down till you see the item that says “Connected User Experience. Before disabling this item, carefully read the description of all that it does, as you might have issues later if you try to use a troubleshooter to help you solve a problem in Windows. Because of that, I have never disabled this service.

              Defrag is another item listed in the Task Scheduler in the same place as mentioned above, only this item is a folder says “Defrag”. Same thing as Customer Experience Improvement item, I’ve never looked for this item in GPEdit.

              The one thing that is in GPEdit is in Administrative Templates>System>Internet Communication Management>Internet Communication settings. In there, (probably towards the bottom of the list) is a setting labeled “Turn off the Windows Messenger Customer Experience Improvement Program”. I have this item set to “Enabled”.

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    • #2504129

      Hi – I’ve just successfully updated my Windows Pro desktop from Win10 21H2 to Win10 22H2. Tried to do the same with my Windows Home Dell laptop – which Microsoft assures me has the capacity to run W11 – but, although I’ve installed Susan’s wonderful little .reg key for Win10 22H2 twice now, the new feature update refuses to show up. Should I install KB5015684 which I downloaded and saved from another post in this forum? With many thanks.

      • #2504142

        That’s how I updated both of my Win10 21H2 PC’s to 22H2 back in Oct and I haven’t experienced any problems on either of them (including being able to “successfully” install the Nov security updates!)

        • #2504143

          Many thanks – I’m not likely to run into trouble by “forcing” the issue, then?

          • #2504147

            The only problem I encountered was, initially, I had my system set to not update beyond 21H2 using that .reg key and my first attempt to use the enablement package failed. I fixed that by changing the key to 22H2 and it installed just fine.

            Since you indicated you’ve already set yours for 22H2, you should be good to go.

            Of course, just in case, you should make a full backup of your drive C: before installing it.

            BTW, both of my PC’s took less than 5 mins to complete the install and most others who’ve posted they moved from 21H2 to 22H2 indicated similarly quick install times.

            • #2504205

              Wow! The difference kb5015684 made! When I scanned for updates after installing it, the feature update 22H2 appeared almost at once and slipped in more easily than a Windows Defender update – I blinked and nearly missed it. It didn’t even ask for a restart, although I gave it one anyway, for luck. Winver shows it is installed. Many thanks – Microsoft ought to publish these little enablement packages more often. Talk about greasing the wheels!

      • #2504213

        Should I install KB5015684 which I downloaded and saved from another post in this forum?

        Where did you find KB5015684? I checked the MS Catalog and it’s not there.

    • #2504152

      Thanks, I’ll give it a go. I always make a full back-up when Susan gives the all clear to update, so that was done a while ago. I just like to wait until five weeks before next Patch Tuesday so I can pause my updates till then and not feel pressured. I’ll post how I get on. Many thanks again.

    • #2504153

      OK, got into a little bit of a hassle. Since ESET was complaining about kb4023057 I used WUShowHide to hide it yet again. Went back to ESET and did the check for updates and now it put this into Windows Update as a Pending Download!!!

      I used WUShowHide to show, then closed it, reopened and hid it and still in Pending downloads.

      Only thing I have not yet tried is reboot and will, but in the meantime…

      1. How can I clear JUST this pending download without creating more issues?
      2. It’s been awhile, what exactly does kb4023057 do? I know Susan says defer, but before I complicate my life more, is there any reason I want this and is there anything it does I should check to revert if I do install this?

      Happy to start a new thread if you like. I know this might get complicated in the middle of this thread.

      Thanks.

      • #2504170

        Tried this I found recommended elsewhere in several threads:

        net stop wuauserv

        rd /s /q “%systemroot%\SoftwareDistribution\Download

        net start wuauserv

        The Download folder is empy. I rebooted. The pending download is still there. Must be a setting I can reset, no? Even WuShowHide shows nothing to hide.

         

         

        • #2504178

          When WU scans for updates, the list of available updates is put in a cache. It is the cache you see in the WU queue. That cache remains the same till the next time WU scans on its own. The list is STATIC except immediately after WU scans for updates.

          When you run wushowhide, the scan is DYNAMIC (real time). After you hide an update, and rescan with wushow, the update is not listed because the scan is in actual time.

          Therefore, you have to CLEAR THE CACHE in WU to make the list (queue) show the real-time pending updates. AKB2000013 discusses this. If you use @Matador ‘s method, found down the thread, it is an easier way to clear the cache (queue).

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          • #2504189

            Thanks. PK. I shall look.

            To note, all my mistakes. I should have thought that changing the target to 22H2 would once again trigger a new KB4023057 that I would have to hide. Then playing through ESET that wanted this, I got it to pending.

            So I did two things that might affect your reply:

            I did WuShowHide AFTER it showed in pending and, if I interpret your post right, the next time winupdates runs it will clear the pending?

            Also, as posted, I deleted the downloads folder so it is no longer there.

            I HAVE NOT tried to run the update knowing it’s not there. Unsure if that would help or hinder further.

            Windows Update Trouble Shooter did nothing.

            Thanks.

            • #2504223

              WOW. An awful lot of reading to get to the simple solution 🙂 Which worked. Theonly thing I did differently was:

              Cleaned the Software Distribution/Downloads folder as above.

              Ran WuShowHide

              Clicked Pause Updates

              Counted to 10

              Clicked Resume

              Offensive download gone.

              Learned something today. Albeit the hard way 🙂

              All good until next month 🙂

            • #2504228

              One thing you need to be aware of:
              Pausing updates, then Resuming causes an immediate scan/download/install. So you need to be sure before you do (double check wushowhide to be sure) that ONLY the updates you want are what you see in wushowhide – because that is what you are going to get IMMEDIATELY.

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    • #2504154

      Just uninstalled the pesky little weevil  – it keeps coming back and I’ve uninstalled it loads of times from both my PCs.

      It doesn’t install as an update, but as a Program called Microsoft Update Health Tools
      Look in Settings\Apps or in Control Panel\Programs and Features.
      If you find it, uninstall it.

      • #2504155

        Thanks, but Googling it says:

        • Reset network settings if problems are detected
        • Clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully
        • Repair disabled or corrupted Windows operating system components
        • Compress files in your user profile directory to help free up enough disk space to install important updates
        • Reset the Windows Update database to repair the problems that could prevent updates from installing successfully

        I hate to have unknown reg changes, so it is not just installing a program, it is making system changes.

        • #2504192

          I have installed KB..057 about 10 times with no ill efects or changes to my system (currently Windows 10 Pro 22H2).

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          • #2507760

            4023057 keeps showing up even though I have hidden it many times. You have installed it many times…so, why is the recommendation to defer or avoid?

            • #2507768

              Blocking it has been AskWoody tradition for more than five years, but no one can remember why.

              Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1192 + Microsoft 365/Edge

            • #2507780

              Read the MS documentation for KB4023057 and you will see “WHY.”

            • #2507788

              These improvements help make sure that updates are installed seamlessly on your device, and they help improve the reliability and security of devices that are running Windows.

              When this update is installed, new options for cleaning up disk space will be available

              Horrendous. Why would Microsoft assume anyone wants seamless updates with improved reliability, better security and more cleanup options?

              Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1192 + Microsoft 365/Edge

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            • #2507789

              I agree. Horrendous. For anyone who cares about having some control over their computer.

              Notes: 

              • For feature update information for Windows 10, version 1809, 1903, 1909, 2004, and 20H2, see KB 5001716.
              • This update may request your device to stay awake longer to enable installation of updates.

                Note The installation will respect any user-configured sleep configurations and also your “active hours” when you use your device the most.

              • This update may try to reset network settings if problems are detected, and it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully.
              • This update may repair disabled or corrupted Windows operating system components that determine the applicability of updates to your version of Windows.
              • This update may compress files in your user profile directory to help free up enough disk space to install important updates.
              • This update may reset the Windows Update database to repair the problems that could prevent updates from installing successfully. Therefore, you may see that your Windows Update history was cleared.
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          • #2507868

            Thanks to b and PKCano for the Pro’s and Cons of installing kb4023057

            FWIW, I use WUMgr to hide it without issues on any W10 whether updating/ upgrading so, to me kb4023057 seems rather mute irrespective of what the documentation claims.(or not publicly for that matter, trust issue – hell yeah!)

            MSFT messing with profiles is a big no, no in my book
            W10 1809 ring any bells…major profile FUBAR in some cases and so much so even MSFT had to re-issue 1809 later.

            Having MSFT normalize the OS is also a concern, which has taken lots of research, experimentation and time to tune as close to an operating system that works for our needs, not their vacuuming, less control policy.

            WaaS = Windows as a Syphon...suckers!

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      • #2504191

        Thanks, but Googling shows that uninstalling does not change back the registry and gpedit changes that it made. Just fyi.

    • #2504157

      I guess it’s streamlining your system so it will be more accessible to W11, which I realize is not what you want. But I very much doubt it’s doing any damage… the changes it makes are all improvements. But we don’t want our systems updated until we’ve given the go-ahead, so of course we don’t want the consequences of these improvements. I don’t believe kb4023057 represents any kind of a threat in itself.

    • #2504247

      For those of you who have installed Win10 22H2, does Windows Explorer have tabs???

      I’ve read on #2490089 that it does, but then a later post at #2490410 seems to indicate that tabs in Windows Explorer happens only with Windows 11 and not Windows 10.

    • #2504251

      My file explorer looks just like it did before the update. So far, if someone else had installed 22H2 on my PC whilst I was out, I shouldn’t have noticed.

    • #2504253

      Not on either of my Win10 22H2 PC’s either.

      According to various sites on the web, as of now, it’s only available in Win11 22H2.

      While it’s “possible” MS might include it in a future Win10 update, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it became they’ve placed an extremely low priority on further Win10 updates (they really, really, want everyone to move to Win11!)

    • #2504290

      I updated 2 of my Desktops to W10 22H2 so far and, on my older computer, SmartSense was turned off on reboot. But on my newer AMD computer it had SmartSense turned on and it completely blocked my Intel Driver Support Assistant.

      It took me awhile to figure out how to get it back LOL.

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
      All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

      • #2504292

        …SmartSense…

        Pardon the ignorance, but “whazzat”?? A storage management feature of Windows 10, perhaps, or a temperature monitoring app?

        On a more serious note, thanks in advance for any input you can provide.

        P.S. It’s good to hear from you! Long time no hear.

        • #2505582

          Hi Bob99

          The pop-up window after reboot said SmartSense has blocked a dangerous application, but to fix it I went to Settings>Update and Security>Windows Security>App & Browser Control. I had to turn off Reputation-based Protection to get the App back. It didn’t delete it but kept it from running.

          Just to note, I don’t see SmartSense listed anywhere but that was what it said in the pop-up.

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

          • #2505874

            Go to:

            Settings>Update and Security>Windows Security>Vitus and Threat Protection>Current Threats>Protection history

            If nothing is there click on Filters>Blocked actions and clear all checkmarks and it will appear.

            If your ap is there click on it and then click on actions and you can allow it thru without disabling Reputation based protection.

            The list of previously allowed aps is here:

            Settings>Update and Security>Windows Security>Vitus and Threat Protection>Ransomware protection>Manage ransomware protection>Allow an ap through Controlled folder

            There is a list of all aps trusted and previously allowed.  Unless you have never allowed any trusted aps through before.

            HP Pavilion Desktop TP01-0050 – 64 bit
            Windows 10 Home Version 22H2
            OS build 19045.2486
            Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
            Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019
            -Version 2211(Build 15831.20208 C2R)

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          • #2505901

            Just to note, I don’t see SmartSense listed anywhere but that was what it said in the pop-up.

            It said SmartScreen, mentioned on the page where you switched it off.

            Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1192 + Microsoft 365/Edge

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            • #2506026

              It said SmartScreen, mentioned on the page where you switched it off.

              Ahhh, thanks for the clarification!

    • #2504344

      DEFRAG for my SSD was reenabled in tasks

      Leave Defrag enabled. Your SSD doesn’t need it, Windows does because it can’t handle a very fragmented File Allocation Table.

      cheers, Paul

    • #2504539

      Ah, but Defrag for SSD’s doesn’t actually Defrag anything.

      If Windows detects it’s an SSD, Defrag simply performs a Trim command on the drive to free up space that was allocated to deleted files/folders!

      • #2504667

        Thanks. And after I found that task reset I recalled my big discussion about ssd defrag and Windows now shows retrimmed rather than defragged so I re-enabled that task.

    • #2505486

      I have Windows Home  10 21H2 installed , and I also have the InControl app. I changed the app to 10 22H2 and gave it about 24 hours and nothing happened. I have since tried the Check Updates on Windows several times and it says that I am up to date. Should I go ahead and download the ISO file?   Thanks !

    • #2505502

      I have Windows Home  10 21H2 installed , and I also have the InControl app. I changed the app to 10 22H2 and gave it about 24 hours and nothing happened. I have since tried the Check Updates on Windows several times and it says that I am up to date. Should I go ahead and download the ISO file?   Thanks !

      Yes, I did the online upgrade with one laptop W10-21H2, worked easy and Windows10-22H2 is working ok again.

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    • #2505618

      I wonder if anyone else has had this problem. After a successful install of Win 10 22H2, on two systems I have lost sound. Windows 10 no longer recognizes or plays sound. Speakers are shown as “not plugged in” even though they are plugged in.

    • #2505663

      If Windows detects it’s an SSD, Defrag simply performs a Trim command

      Not true. Windows will defragment if a file is nearing the maximum number of fragments or if volume snapshots is on.

      cheers, Paul

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      • #2505811

        Windows will defragment if a file is nearing the maximum number of fragments or if volume snapshots is on.

        That statement is true without the “or”:

        Defrag will only run on your SSD if volsnap is turned on,

        Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1192 + Microsoft 365/Edge

        • #2505845

          Amazing how many opinions exist on this. And not just here!

          So where does one check volsnap? Do I assume that is what is required by Macrium wwhich I use daily.? And if so, my Macrium backup are to other drives, so not an issue, yes?

          Time to discuss this one a little further.

          • #2505847

            Nothing to discuss. Just let Windows do it’s thing and get on with your computing.

            If you really want to check volsnap:
            Open an admin Command Prompt (Win R, cmd, Ctrl Shift Enter)
            Type: vssadmin list shadows

            You should see one or more snapshots.

            cheers, Paul

            • #2505849

              Well, maybe not for you, but sure are for me. SO many different ideas. And I do mean not only here, but results of searching for SSD’s and Defrag.

              So what is this saying?

              Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.19045.2251]
              (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

              C:\WINDOWS\system32>vssadmin list shadows
              vssadmin 1.1 – Volume Shadow Copy Service administrative command-line tool (C) Copyright 2001-2013 Microsoft Corp.

              Contents of shadow copy set ID: {69d2ec76-f7fd-47a8-b9e0-ca14d39c7d2c}
              Contained 1 shadow copies at creation time: 12/7/2022 8:46:44 AM
              Shadow Copy ID: {b79d0814-b190-4379-9615-aaa7fbd87d11}
              Original Volume: (C:)\\?\Volume{2da571a6-5761-4cad-805d-b0f7a21520ca}\
              Shadow Copy Volume: \\?\GLOBALROOT\Device\HarddiskVolumeShadowCopy1
              Originating Machine: Winten-P51S
              Service Machine: Winten-P51S
              Provider: ‘Microsoft Software Shadow Copy provider 1.0’
              Type: ClientAccessibleWriters
              Attributes: Persistent, Client-accessible, No auto release, Differential, Auto recovered

              Contents of shadow copy set ID: {5608d2d3-ece3-4f04-8e8f-08674fd6db48}
              Contained 1 shadow copies at creation time: 12/7/2022 12:52:32 PM
              Shadow Copy ID: {81f65a31-346c-4b42-a2fc-24f5fb25bbb9}
              Original Volume: (C:)\\?\Volume{2da571a6-5761-4cad-805d-b0f7a21520ca}\
              Shadow Copy Volume: \\?\GLOBALROOT\Device\HarddiskVolumeShadowCopy2
              Originating Machine: Winten-P51S
              Service Machine: Winten-P51S
              Provider: ‘Microsoft Software Shadow Copy provider 1.0’
              Type: ClientAccessibleWriters
              Attributes: Persistent, Client-accessible, No auto release, Differential, Auto recovered

              Vulnerable to an unwanted defrag?

               

            • #2505864

              So what is this saying?

              You saw two snapshots.

              Vulnerable to an unwanted defrag?

              Eligible for necessary automatic defrag.

              Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1192 + Microsoft 365/Edge

            • #2505850

              I’d never heard of volsnap before and didn’t even know it existed on my PCs. I do defrag once in a while, though. Can I just carry on as I am and forget about volsnap? I ‘m not looking for any more maintenance jobs.

            • #2505865

              Can I just carry on as I am and forget about volsnap?

              Yes.

              Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.1192 + Microsoft 365/Edge

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            • #2505904

              And don’t defrag if it’s an SSD, leave it up to Windows.

              cheers, Paul

    • #2505879

      Updating from the ISO page “Update now” has caused two unwanted effects so far: 1) It caused hidden driver updates to become unhidden. Fortunately I was able to prevent Windows Update installing them before I hid them again. 2) It de-registered my paid-for Macrium Reflect.

      I’m hoping it hasn’t screwed up anything less obvious which will have unwanted side effects to be sorted out later. (Like de-registering other paid-for software which normally runs in the background.)

      Updated to add: it has also repartitioned my drive, so I now can’t do a Reflect incremental or differential backup: I have to take a full backup instead.

      I really wish I hadn’t done this as backing out of it is going to be a pain as I can’t quickly backup any changed data before restoring to pre- 22H2.

      • #2505905

        Repartitioning won’t prevent MR doing an incremental or differential. Unregistered MR won’t do an incremental, both versions do differential.

        Why do you think the 22H2 update repartitioned your drive?

        cheers, Paul

        • #2506033

          Repartitioning won’t prevent MR doing an incremental or differential.

          If the partitions are different, then the system no longer matches an existing backup, and you cannot take an incremetntal or differential backup.

          Why do you think the 22H2 update repartitioned your drive?

          Because it has one more partition than it had previously, and two of the exiting partitions are different sizes, one of which had a new start location.

          • #2506189

            The update is to existing Windows files, not partitions.
            How did you persuade the partitions to change?

            If you have an image backup you can return to the pre-update state and try the update again.

            cheers, Paul

      • #2506622

        It doesn’t repartition the drive but because it is a more ‘refresh’ a backup program will want and need to take a full image.  Doing it this way also fixes up any windows update crud and keeps the system healthy.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #2505958

      I updated to 22H2 yesterday without issues. Everything appears to be fine so I got ready to grab a Macrium Reflect image. But I noticed KB4023057 is now sitting in my Windows Update queue. So I used wushowhide to hide it. It usually takes a day or so to actually hide anything.

      My question is, if I run Macrium now to take an image, and at some point I need to restore that image, will the restored image show KB4023057 sitting in my queue?

      Or is that queue independent from the image?

      Thanks!

    • #2506014

      So there is no consensus here. Defrag only trims an SSD. Oh, but if you have a volsnap it defrags. And defrag is no good for an SSD. Nah, its fine.

      Cannot be all of these things.

    • #2506021

      We all have our own opinions and it’s interesting to share them. Then we each go and do our own thing. What’s wrong with that?

      • #2506043

        What’s wrong is there is really only one correct answer and I do not recall anyone preferacing their “answer” with “in my opinion”.

        • #2506051

          IMHO there’s probably as many different ways to maintain a PC as there are to cook eggs – after all, over time we all customise our PCs. As long as each operator finds a method that works for them, it’s good. I hope you find a method that works for you.

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          • #2506208

            SurfingPrisoner: A very wise word indeed. Make my eggs soft-boiled with some salt please.

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    • #2506054

      Maintaining a PC and whether it is correct to defrag an SSD, and what actually happens when you do, is not the same thing. Its almost like saying there are a lot of good brands of oil for your car while discussing tire pressure.

      There are too many conflicting theories here:

      Windows only TRIMS when defragging an SSD

      Windows does defrag IF you have a VSNAP

      DEFRAG wears out an SSD

      On and on. They cannot all be correct.

      From all my Googling and weighing replies from SSD manufacturers I tend to “believe” that Windows only trims an SSD and that is a good thing. The red herring is VSNAP and the idea that if you happen to have those files Windows acts differently on the SSD. So being the curious type, I like to know what is accurate and what is conjecture.

      • #2506188

        SSDs are trimmed and defragmented if you leave Windows to do its thing. (links above)
        SSDs do NOT have short lives in real world use. The SSD Endurance Experiment: Two freaking petabytes

        Stop trying to work out what to do and get on with making regular backups and enjoying your computing.

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2506224

          YESSIR!

          Did not realize you were the final authority and that other opinions around the web need to be disregarded.

    • #2506207

      I did not “persuade” the partitions to change. The update did this entirely by itself: it added a WinRE partition, and adjusted others accordingly.

      Mr. Microsoft gave you a RedCarpet-treatment, deciding you need this RE partition. Welcome to the RedmondwClub, you are not the only one. When windows works okay, you better remake all your backups and then leave it. Hopefully you don’t need this RE partition because, if/when windows thinks it’s needed for recovery, then you better rely on you systemdisk-images. That saves a lot of (wasted) time.

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    • #2506397

      Made a backup 1st. Upgraded from 21H2 to 22H2 Windows 10 without issues from a downloaded iso. The upgrade actually fixed a problem where when I selected Settings/Accts/SignInOptions on 21H2, my PC would hang and not open the option. The majority of my previous settings were honored and not changed by the upgrade. Some of my settings in Settings/Privacy appeared to be re-anabled, but I may be misremembering. Once updated & got all the settings the way I like, made a post upgrade backup. Was surprised to see that the updates from 21H2 still showed in Window Updates/View Update History. Under Uninstall Updates are only updates that pertain to 22H2. Does anyone else see this or is unique to my install. I had been having weird problems with View Update History in 21H2.

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    • #2506605

      SurfingPrisoner:

      SurfingPrisoner:
      Freudian Slip Fred?? 😂

      🍻

      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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      • #2507705

        🐣 ohyes, it goes far way back

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    • #2507904

      Just to remind all. Windows 10 version 21H1 reached end of support today. There will be no future updates for the operating system.

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