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      • #349739 Reply
        AskWoody Lounger

        Just wondering.

        Some should have noticed that Java 8 is nearing end of free support and Oracle doesn’t provide detached runtime packages for anything later. And, Java is sort of well-known for having security holes occasionally…

        And what’s worse, some of us still do need Java. There’s anything from JNLP-launched remote support tools and Java-powered server RAID admin tools, to… well, everything, even if in smallish numbers fortunately.

        So, need to have a plan.

        One of the other Java companies, Azul, has a provocative ad up even:

        For the first time in history
        A Java security update (aka "recipe for attack")
        will be released by Oracle
        without providing free updates for
        any current production version
        [free updates for java 12, no free updates for 8 or 11]

        (Java 12 isn’t “production” yet. Java 11 is a “long term support version”, but…)

        Now, I *have* found a place to get Java 11 JREs for Windows x64… AdoptOpenJDK. … it’s just that they don’t have everything (at least yet) – Java Web Start for one is missing as of now, and installers… ,

        But, I suppose that’d still be easier than just building our own… hm, the OpenJ9 license is a bit weird in places, too…

        Anyone else having to deal with this?

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        And what’s worse, some of us still do need Java. There’s anything from JNLP-launched remote support tools and Java-powered server RAID admin tools, to… well, everything,


        you need to provide a list of specific applications here that still depend on Java. what are these “JNLP-launched remote support tools” you are talking about? who makes them? list the manufacturers that make them and provide links to their web sites if possible

        • #350423 Reply
          AskWoody Lounger

          Well, let’s see.

          There’s a few very commonly used desktop tools that run on Java. For example:

          DavMail, bridge from standard IMAP, CalDAV and such to EWS for using Microsoft Exchange servers.
          GanttProject, project management.

          Though, by numbers, most of the different cases out there are old equipment that’s still in use. Some though are even current.

          Small business routers, Cisco and others
          RAID arrays, external, various – HP (pre HP/HPE split) MSA2000 for one model
          RAID arrays, server internal, various – last seen on a Fujitsu server

          Remote support tools – SolarWinds N-Central at least does the thing where it creates a tunnel from the admin desktop to end-user LAN for direct web/RDP/ssh/telnet access to various kinds of equipment, and that tunnel is started through a .jnlp launcher. Sort of a lighter alternative to a full VPN to site LAN, very nice for remote printer admin and such.

          And then there’s all the VNC integration out there.

      • #350433 Reply
        AskWoody Lounger

        So, anyway. I’m experimenting with IcedTea-Web and the AdoptOpenJDK 11 hotspot JRE, but would appreciate if anyone else has anything to say on this?

      • #1983966 Reply
        AskWoody Lounger

        Well. Apparently most others just don’t need Java any more… which is probably a good thing…

        I’ll just note that Azul has gotten a fresh patched version out, AdoptOpenJDK hasn’t yet. has a Java 8u232 JRE downloadable as of now.

        (Wonder what percentage of Java CPU cycles these days are just Minecraft… side effect, I get to chase Java problems at home too. The kids managed to run into a weird one just yesterday, trying to start a shared world with specific Minecraft mods, and…)

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