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      • #2276981 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        June was a very strange month for Windows patching: A traditionally botched patch with a manual-download-only Out of Band fix A botched Windows patch
        [See the full post at: June 2020 patch overview: Three different ways MS is fixing its bugs this month]

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      • #2277001 Reply
        Seff
        AskWoody Plus

        Succinctly put, as ever, Woody!

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      • #2277014 Reply
        rc primak
        AskWoody_MVP

        So here I was minding my own business with Windows Updates. (I know, we’re still on MS-DEFCON-2, but I update the final week or weekend of the month. I have practical reasons, like Zoom Meeting schedules, for my choice of timing.) I am still on Version 1909 (Pro) and did not get upgraded to 2004. (The notice still says I’ll get 2004 when my machine is ready for it. Deferral was keeping that put off for 365 days from the time I upgraded to Version 1909 this spring.)

        Nevertheless, either the regular monthly June CU, or else the later catalog-only CU update (which fixes potential printer issues), changed the Windows Updates Settings Window. The Advanced Options no longer included any deferrals, only Pause Until. I have Windows 10 Pro. So the change is apparently retroactive on all users who apply the June CU.

        Now I have to go into my Group Policies and freeze out the 2004 upgrade before it gets foisted on me. I had Feature Updates on a 365-day deferment since my 1909 upgrade. So that should hold, if I’ve been reading this site correctly. The madness never gets put on hold at Microsoft!

        Thanks to Woody, Susan and PK Cano, among others here, for updating the instructions so that we can still defer Feature Updates.

        -- rc primak

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        • #2277020 Reply
          cyberSAR
          AskWoody Plus

          Hi rc, I’ve installed both those patches and my deferral settings are still there.

          Just checked 3 other machines which have both installed, 1 of which was done yesterday, and all still have the settings available.

          • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by cyberSAR.
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        • #2277028 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          They are there in my 1909 also. I have June Patch Tues updates, but I have not installed the OOB printer-fix CU.

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          • #2277040 Reply
            woody
            Da Boss

            Same for  me – CU only, no OOB, and the deferral options are there.

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        • #2277043 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          If you have any deferral set in Group Policy, the pulldown settings for Quality and Feature deferrals will not show in the GUI under Advanced options. The deferral settings in GP have to be “not configured.”

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          • #2277127 Reply
            woody
            Da Boss

            I think that must be the problem.

            • #2277361 Reply
              rc primak
              AskWoody_MVP

              Actually, there’s another reason those deferral settings might not show up in Windows 10 Pro. I was using a Standard User Account when I noticed the settings were not visible in the User Interface.

              When I later checked in my Administrator Account, the settings were still there.

              I had never noticed this difference before the recent posts about Version 2004 here. at AskWoody.

              Were it not for the discussions about Version 2004 here at AskWoody, I would have tried the Admin. Account immediately, without posting anything here. I guess sometimes we see things we want to see, and interpret them according to our current concerns. It happens to me sometimes, anyway.

              False Alarm!!

              Sorry about that.

              I should have posted this much sooner, but I was busy all day today.

              Thanks for the PM, PK Cano. Thanks for looking into it, Woody.

              By the way, this incident did get me to look at what Group Policy Settings I will need when and if I upgrade to Version 2004. So thanks to everyone here for all the coverage. It’s been valuable, if for me a bit premature.

              -- rc primak

      • #2277041 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’ve been keeping an eye on the radar-I don’t update til its level 3, but then I gotta ensure that the 2004 or whatever new version doesn’t try to invade when updating the usual safe updates.

      • #2277086 Reply
        RamRod
        AskWoody Lounger

        Outside of reading this site, how does an ordinary home user stay aware of all the quirks of modern windows updating? Does Microsoft post notices someplace? Do they use your ms account to push messages?
        Inquiring minds want to know.

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      • #2277135 Reply
        barrym
        AskWoody Plus

        https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/01/windows_10_2004_rollout/

        Not specifically about the June rollout, but relevant?

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        • #2277136 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          That’s a general overview of the Win10 version 2004 rollout – which isn’t going very well, IMHO.

          It’s almost as though it hadn’t been tested properly before someone hit the Go button. Surely not?

          By the way… clicking “Check for updates” won’t get you to version 2004, in spite of what the article says. You have to specifically, explicitly click on a link to install version 2004.

      • #2277152 Reply
        WildBill
        AskWoody Plus

        Woody, since you updated us on the M$ codex bugs, will you still be publishing a “Woody on Windows” article, or is that scratched? Understanding not all Computerworld readers access the website & vice versa…

        Windows 8.1, 64-bit, back in Group A... & leaning toward Windows 10 V2004. As long as it's a Lot Less Buggy!
        Wild Bill Rides Again...

        • #2277210 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Just posted it.

          Unfortunately, the Computerworld article went into edit before I saw @abbodi86‘s post, which says that MS is wrong – the two vulnerable codecs exist on EVERY Win10 machine since version 1809 (except N and LTSC). MS says they’re only on machines that have installed the optional “HEVC from Device Manufacturer” codecs from the Microsoft Store.

          That’s a very important distinction because MS is patching a security hole in Windows via the Microsoft Store.

          What a mess.

          Come to think of it, that approach isn’t all so different from this month’s Outlook patch, which fixed a hole in Windows by updating the Office 365, er, Microsoft 365 Click-to-Run.

          • #2277249 Reply
            tonyc035
            AskWoody Plus

            Thanks again Woody, PKCano, et al for keeping us informed on this.

            My apologies for posting a new post about CVE-2020-1425 and 1457 this morning, even though I had searched the site before posting and didn’t find anything. PKCano pointed me to this posting.

            Many thanks!

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      • #2277257 Reply
        lurks about
        AskWoody Lounger

        Are there any other ways MS could use to update W10? I would think they only need 1 method for Windows itself but 3 is a sign of idiocy or incompetence.

      • #2277262 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I saw @abbodi86‘s post, which says that MS is wrong – the two vulnerable codecs exist on EVERY Win10 machine since version 1809

        I don’t have HEVC codec on my Windows 10 1909 Pro (May patches).
        I do have Microsoft’s HEIF image extensions.

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      • #2277271 Reply
        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        Please excuse me but I’m confused (it has been awhile tho).  Woody says:  “A botched Windows patch that knocked out Outlook Click-to-Run, fixed by a fix for Outlook”.

        I’m running Win 7, I have Office 2010, and I don’t use Outlook.

        First – does this botched Windows Patch apply to Win 7 as well as 8.1 and all the 10’s?

        And second – does this botched Windows Patch botch up the Outlook in Office 2010?

        Should I be worried about this?   Thanks.

        Win 7, Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz, Linux Mint 19.1, Klaatu barada nikto

        • #2277298 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          The patch does not apply to Win 7 or affect Outlook 2010. You don’t need to worry about it.

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      • #2277341 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        What is the thinking about the out of band printer issue patches such as KB4567521 for W8,1 and Server 2012 R2? Should the optional patch be installed immediately after installing the June 2020 security and quality CU or only after determining whether you have printer/print spool problems? It sounds as if all the associated issues may not be initially apparent and it might be wise to just routinely install the optional patches. Any thoughts?

        • #2277362 Reply
          rc primak
          AskWoody_MVP

          Not official advice here, but I went ahead and applied the patch from the Catalog. Susan Bradley says Microsoft says the same corrections will be included in the July CU, so this was probably not necessary. Anyway, no ill effects, as far as I can see so far.

          -- rc primak

      • #2277355 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Is there some way to delay updates in 1909 past 7/06/2020???

        • #2277360 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          See the BlogPost “Is there a way to cheat Pause Update?” and read the comments on the Lounge how people did this.

          • #2277377 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Thanks! Disconnected WiFi, Hit resume updates, got the no internet warning. Was able to go from 7/06 to 8/06 by hitting the pause button. That ought to be enough time to get patching instructions from Woody on all the June chaos, fingers crossed!

      • #2277621 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Regarding CVE-2020-1425 and CVE-2020-1457 updates via Microsoft Store, “Update installation may fail” silently with access denied. Recap and information is here:

        Addenum to the out-of-band Windows Codecs Library security patch via store

        G{ot backup} TestBeta
        offline▸ Win10Pro 1909.18363.959 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox79.0 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}
        online▸ Win10Pro 1909.18363.959 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox80.0b4 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}
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      • #2281583 Reply
        carpintero
        AskWoody Lounger

        very few reports of people being pushed to 2004.

        Yesterday in an occasionally used 1903 or 1909, when I opened Settings’ WU dialogue,
        I saw not Check for updates, instead a prompt for the restarting of Windows in order to install 2004.
        I chose to go with it.

        I regard that as a push.

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