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      • #2389154
        Gordski
        AskWoody Plus

        Take note of info in paragraph 5

         

        Reproduced from an article published in ‘The Register’
        https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/27/windows_11_iso_install/

        Microsoft does and doesn’t want you to know it won’t stop you manually installing Windows 11 on older PCs

        Hardware requirements loophole left in

        Chris Williams, Editor in Chief Fri 27 Aug 2021 // 20:25 UTC

        Microsoft doesn’t want to say it publicly but it will not stop you manually installing Windows 11 on older or otherwise incompatible PCs.

        The Redmond giant is under fire for the stringent hardware requirements of its upcoming operating system, due to be formally released by the end of the year.

        To be officially supported by Windows 11, machines will need TPM 2.0 support; an eighth-generation or newer Intel Core processor, a Zen 2 or newer AMD processor, or a suitable Qualcomm system-on-chip; UEFI Secure Boot; at least 4GB of RAM; and a minimum of 64GB of storage. That means you need a fairly recent computer.

        In an announcement on Friday, Microsoft slightly expanded that processor compatibility list to include Intel’s Core X series and Xeon W series, and for some specific devices, Intel’s Core i7 7820HQ, which is found in Microsoft’s Surface Studio 2. In other words, no, Redmond essentially isn’t easing up on the installation restrictions.

        But what it doesn’t want to say out loud is that these hardware requirements will only be enforced if you upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 through Windows Update. If you, for example, install the OS manually from an official ISO file, or use Microsoft’s Media Creation Tool, the hardware checks will not be performed, and your older PC will not be blocked from running the operating system.

        This ability to sidestep the Windows 11 requirements is not in today’s announcement, though journalists were privately told of the loophole.

        If you run Windows 11 on non-supported hardware, you’re on your own without any support, any guarantee of security patches and software updates, nor any sympathy from Redmond: Microsoft claims “devices that do meet the minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash free experience,” and those that did not “had 52% more kernel mode crashes.”

        To us, it appears Microsoft does want some people to know that they can try Windows 11 on their PCs, regardless of the hardware requirements, and at the same time, it does not want to openly condone the use of its OS on unsupported machines. Similarly, you can use the ISO install route to put and activate Windows 10 on your PC for free using a Windows 7 or newer product key, another little detail Microsoft doesn’t promote.

        Redmond also said it’s polished up its PC Health Check app, used to determine whether or not your system meets Windows 11’s demands, so that it doesn’t suck quite as much. The software, which confused people with its warnings, was pulled, and will be re-released to the public in the next few weeks. Windows Insiders can already fetch and install it.

        “We missed an opportunity to provide clarity and accuracy through the PC Health Check app,” the Windows team said today. “This updated version expands the eligibility check functionality with more complete and improved messaging on eligibility and links to relevant support articles that include potential remediation steps.”

        The IT giant claimed it set the requirements of Windows 11 to improve driver reliability; improve security by, among other things, encouraging password-less authentication and using virtualization to protect the kernel, access credentials, and suchlike; and improve stability by narrowing the range of supported equipment.

        No one at Microsoft was willing to comment further on the record. ®

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      • #2389180
        Ascaris
        AskWoody MVP

        Microsoft claims “devices that do meet the minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash free experience,” and those that did not “had 52% more kernel mode crashes.”

        So those that do not meet the requirement would have had a 99.7% crash free experience. It’s obviously worth having to buy a new PC for that kind of improvement!

        The real question is whether you can count on MS to allow you to get updates after you insult them by trying to obtain and use their product. They’ve already shown they don’t mind sending malware to break your updates forever if you don’t adhere to their marketing plan, deliberately leaving you vulnerable to third-party malware. Will they do it again? We can only guess.

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      • #2389187
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        The real question is whether you can count on MS to allow you to get updates after you insult them by trying to obtain and use their product.

        Microsoft’s answer so far : no updates for non-compatible PCs.

        • #2389502
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          we’ll see if that actually happens in October when Win11 is officially released

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      • #2389525
        bbearren
        AskWoody MVP

        For starters, the pooched Start Menu makes it a ‘nope’ for me.  I’ve installed the latest preview build, and the hardware requirements are bypassed easily enough.

        As for updates, it tries and fails, then I get the “This PC does not …”  But then opening Installed updates yields the KB number that failed.  It’s a simple enough matter to download the update from Microsoft and install it locally.  Not a big deal, but Windows 11 Preview is not worth that little bit of extra effort.

        But I see no advantage for me over Windows 10.  I don’t need TPM or Secure Boot.  It isn’t the least bit faster than Windows 10, and the Start Menu is junk.  There’s no way under the stars that Windows 11 is worth upgrading my hardware.  I’ll give it one more go after RTM, but it looks really doubtful at this point.

        Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
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        • #2390211
          Travasaurus
          AskWoody Plus

          Same here. I neither want nor need Secure Boot or TPM and I seem to recall that I’ve got a couple of items (a boot or backup USB drive or some-such) that still requires the use of “legacy ROMs” which Secure Boot doesn’t allow. I do want to continue to get all the Windows Updates and what-not though and being able to obtain them quickly from the Windows Update page is certainly helpful. I’ve always been an “early adopter” in the past but I’m still sitting on the fence here, prompted mostly by being (potentially) cut-off from the Windows 11 Updates. If Microsoft relents on this (or somebody comes up with a Registry hack or some other work-around where the Windows Update thing becomes a non-issue) then I’ll go ahead and pull the trigger. I’ll have to eventually anyway, to support my clients who will be upgrading more sooner than later. Hopefully the “Windows Secrets” bunch (as I still nostalgically call it – with all due respect to the irreplicable Woody) will keep us updated as things continue to unfold…

      • #2389553
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        we’ll see if that actually happens in October when Win11 is officially released

        It is happening now with insiders, why would that change come Oct. 5 ?

        • #2389775
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          though I can still manually download & install Win11 updates thru uupdumps
          I don’t need to rely on WU to get new W11 updates

      • #2389820
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        though I can still manually download & install Win11 updates thru uupdumps
        I don’t need to rely on WU to get new W11 updates

        I don’t this will continue after public release.

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