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      • #2351565
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        Do you remember that old commercial that had two little boys who didn’t want to eat cereal that was supposed to be good for you?  The two little boys
        [See the full post at: Let’s get Mikey to try it]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2351582
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        “We recommend you only install this update if you are affected by this issue.”

        Those who are not effected will become effected after applying the new patches ?
        Doesn’t Microsoft check for no ill effect on none effected PCs ?

      • #2351593
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        unfortunately some users using Win10 version 2004 or 20H2 are experiencing installation errors trying to install the KB5001649 update – see this Ten forums topic.

        DON’T PATCH with this new update

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 1 day ago by EP.
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        • #2351604
          howardagoldberg
          AskWoody Plus

          unfortunately some users using Win10 version 2004 or 20H2 are experiencing installation errors trying to install the KB5001649 update – see this Ten forums topic.

          DON’T PATCH with this new update

          • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 1 day ago by EP.

          Yup … just tried 3 times on my 20H2 system, and failed exactly as described in the comments in the article you referenced. Not going to install manually, will wait until MS sorts this out. Also, as per Susan’s advice, I am not impacted by the printing issue – so … probably better I just leave it alone for now.

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      • #2351605
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Yup … just tried 3 times on my 20H2 system, and failed exactly as described in the comments in the article you referenced.

        It seems some have succeeded by installing the standalone patch not using WU.

      • #2351606
        MikeyD215
        AskWoody Plus

        Well, since I very well may be the “Mikey” who first reported problems with Dymo software at Ask Woody last week, here is the latest from Dymo, as reported at post #2351377.

        Dymo is now offering new versions of its software that will solve the BSOD issue in most instances. Here is notice from their download website–

        “The latest Windows update has caused some issues with printing from our software. Our team has been able to fix the issue of printing blank labels from our DYMO Connect and DYMO Label Software by introducing a new update. In order to run the latest software update, please open DYMO Connect, click “Help” > “Check for Updates” and download the latest version. Alternatively, you can download the newest version of our software here. In order to download the latest DYMO Label software update click here.

        Please be informed that the update did not fix the issue of printing blank labels from our latest versions of DYMO ID (XTL). You can still use our software, if you follow the instructions here.”

        I have installed the new versions of the software, but since I am observing the DEFCON-1 update protocol, I still have not allowed any of the March security updates to install, so I cannot test Dymo’s fixes. If they work, is there then no need to install Microsoft’s fixes?

      • #2351613
        PKCano
        Manager

        Yesterday (3/18) I installed KB5001567 OOB CU as a manual download/install from the Catalog, without first installing the Patch Tues CU KB5000802, in my test 20H2 VM. Resulted in Build 19042.868 (see #2351114). It encountered no problems.

        Today, 3/19, I have installed the second March OOB CU KB5001649 as a manual download/install from the Catalog without any errors, resulting in Build 19042.870. I do not currently have a physical printer attached to this VM, but I have printed a .txt to .PDF, using a print-to-PDF app that prints as a Type 3 printer, without error.

        If you are thinking about installing this OOB hotfix, please make a full disk image of your system and a separate data backup BEFORE you do so. My VM is a test installation and is easily restored by simply copying the backed up Virtual machine file back in place.

      • #2351611
        anonymous
        Guest

        Win 10 1909.   Not waiting for Mikey.  We’ll scratch March and wait for the April CU.

        • #2351622
          WCHS
          AskWoody Plus

          Win 10 1909. Not waiting for Mikey. We’ll scratch March and wait for the April CU.

          Not much life left in 1909 EOL by April CUs. And if you wait for DEFCON 3+, this could be near the end of April or beginning of May. 1909 EOL is May 11, 2021. What to do???

          • #2351640
            Susan Bradley
            Manager

            I’d honestly be installing 2004/20H2 and moving off of 1909.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady

            • #2351674
              WCHS
              AskWoody Plus

              I’d honestly be installing 2004/20H2 and moving off of 1909.

              But, MSDEFCON=1

              • #2351677
                anonymous
                Guest

                Previously the MS Update Catalog monthly CUs continued to be installable on Pro for months after the official EOL, allowing you to stay on a version for about 2 years (with more assured stability), a nice benefit.   We’ll see whether this is so for 1909 from June on.

              • #2351729
                Susan Bradley
                Manager

                Well when I flip it to Defcon 4 I’ll honestly put that as an alternative.  🙂

                Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2351623
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        With an IE 0Day exploit left open and no March CU installed? hmm…
        0Patch had an answer last month and MSFT botched up this months CU (twice) for W10!
        https://twitter.com/0patch/status/1359914009714192385
        BTW: Win7 with ESU and Win8.1 patched up for March last week…no problems here with printer or OS

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      • #2351689
        anonymous
        Guest

        With 1909 heading towards EOL I decided yesterday is the day and upgraded to 20H2 via the Windows 10 upgrade download. The installation went well. BUT my laptop is now missing all the frippery that makes programs, menus and taskbars emulate 3D.

        My drivers are up-to-date. Due to the issue, I pulled updates without individually checking whether for danger warnings. Belarc Advisor says nothing else is available. KB5001649 was not installed.

      • #2351706
        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        Let’s face it, I think I’m justified in saying that all MS Windows users have been “Mikeys” for MS for about the last two decades.

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      • #2351785
        anonymous
        Guest

        Well, the update was awaiting ‘download / install’, yesterday.
        Today it’s gone. No, it hasn’t installed.

        Enduring the ever bumpy ride. that is MSWU !

      • #2351836
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        3 Strikes for Windows 10 updates in the same month where EdgeChromium is going to be bundled with CU Preview

      • #2351893
        Bruce
        AskWoody Plus

        Confused about how to proceed… I’m currently on version 1909 and would like to upgrade, but don’t want to get hit with problems from the bad March cumulative update.  Is it safe to go ahead and set policy “Select the target Feature Update version” to 2004 at this time, or would it be better to wait until the issues with this update are resolved?

        • #2351922
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          We are at DEFCON 1, do not update.

          1909 will not stop working and you have plenty of time to update. Be patient.

          cheers, Paul

      • #2351901
        E Pericoloso Sporgersi
        AskWoody Plus

        I don’t want to be a spoilsport, but I can report that everything still is peachy with my computer.

        I now have updates (Windows 10 Home 64 bit, version 20H2, build 19042.868) all installed the regular way with Windows Update:

        10 March 2021:
        KB4589212
        KB5000802

        16 March 2021:
        KB5001567

        Up to now, NO problems that I can see, hear, feel, taste or smell.


      • #2351978
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        New KB5001649 is released (19041.870 v2) and KB5001638 (17763.1823 v2)

        probabl all Win10’s got v2

        • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 6 days ago by abbodi86.
        • #2352008
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          Where do you see the v2?  I still see a date stamp of 3/18 and 3 am

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

          • #2352014
            EP
            AskWoody_MVP

            definitely NOT in MS Update Catalog site – the updates like KB5001649 are still dated 3/18/2021 (so they’re not really V2)

            maybe thru WU with quietly updated metadata to fix the recent install problems perhaps

            • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 6 days ago by EP.
          • #2352021
            PKCano
            Manager

            I tried to re-apply KB5001649 (even it didn’t say v2) from the Catalog. and it wouldn’t go. So it’s got to be the same CU.

            • #2352305
              EP
              AskWoody_MVP

              yup – KB5001649 MSUs from MS Catalog have not changed, PKCano.
              only KB5001649 from WU or from a UUP dump have newer cab files signed on March 19

              I won’t bother installing KB5001649 as I’m beta testing KB5000842 (1904x.899) which would eventually replace the KB5000802, KB5001567 & KB5001649 updates for 2004/20H2

              • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 5 days ago by EP.
              • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 5 days ago by EP.
      • #2352026
        MikeyD215
        AskWoody Plus

        Having installed the updated Dymo fixes, I am in no hurry to update Windows until DEFCON-1 status is revoked. Per my usual practice, I will not allow WIN to update until just before April’s updates are released. Incidentally, I had not previously noted that I am on 2004=20H1.

        For now I will only repeat an observation I mentioned to Susan when commenting on her update survey. Can you imagine what the consequences would be if everyone owning any kind of Buick or Toyota automobile had to bring it in to a dealer every month, month after month, year after year, to ensure it would run trouble-free for the next 30 days? That is, until it ran into an EOL?  By what act of legal legerdemain are Microsoft allowed to get away with it? Someone, somewhere years and years ago should have pursued legal (or legislative?) action to hold them accountable for demonstrably defective merchandise! By their own admission!

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        • #2352059
          Cybertooth
          AskWoody Plus

          There might be more to that automotive analogy than we think. Cars are now coming out with operating systems in them to run the entertainment/navigation/display controls. Some of them are Apple, others are Android. I know little about Apple policies, but Android obsoletes its versions after three years or so (my Samsung Galaxy 7 phone stopped getting system updates last year).

          How long before we are required to “upgrade” our automobiles every few years because the OS that makes them work is approaching EOL? I could see an insurance carrier, for example, refusing to renew the policy because “it’s not safe” to drive with an operating system that’s out of support. Why, hackers could take control of the car!!

           

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          • #2352354
            Charlie
            AskWoody Plus

            Definitely not a happy thought!  Combine that with your car’s computer being hacked while you’re driving and the hacker taking control.  I’ll be driving my old cars until I get too old to drive.

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      • #2352073
        anonymous
        Guest

        Maybe by April 2021, right before that month’s updates I’ll install the March 2021 updates on my 10/1909 Home/Mint 20.1 dual boot laptop but I can hold off longer even without any ability to pause updates if I just keep the laptop offline when booting into 10/1909 Home. I’ve really got to make up my mind about 10/20H2 as I have just re-imaged my entire system drive to replace a 256GB WD M.2/NVM SSD with a Samsung 1TB 970 EVO M.2 NVMe and I’ve noticed that since re-imaging that new SSD with my latest 10/1909 home  system image backup and Installing Linux Mint 20.1 Fresh on a new and larger partition on the new SSD that there is no 10/202H being offered to me as an optional upgrade. But that restored 10/1909 Home Image did have its updates paused until April 2021 anyways.

      • #2352115
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        How long before we are required to “upgrade” our automobiles every few years because the OS that makes them work is approaching EOL?

        The new era of cars have now OTA firmware updates.
        The updates to the infotainment systems Apple CarPlay, Android Auto is done on the smartphones not on cars systems.

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      • #2352391
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        new out-of-band printing patches for Win7, 8.x, Server 2008 & 2012 R0/R2 releases posted Mon 3/22:

        KB5001639 for Win7 & Server 2008 R2:
        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb5001639

        KB5001640 for Win8.1 & Server 2012 R2:
        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb5001640

        KB5001641 for Win8 embedded & Server 2012:
        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb5001641

        KB5001642 for Server 2008 SP2:
        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb5001642

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      • #2352371
        anonymous
        Guest

        If you think the Windows side of the farm is a mess, you should check the Visual Studio side. For the pass 3 months they are surfing on the old Bill G. philosophy: “Next version will be better” but they never mention what version it will be nor when that will happen. On the DEFCON scale it’s at -5.

      • #2352913
        LoneWolf
        AskWoody Plus

        It’s really about time someone provides Microsoft with competition in the OS department (no, nobody say Mac, because it’s great for individual use, but has real limitations in the enterprise).

        The issue is that it’s not the OS that’s as profitable as the app ecosystem, and the combined stranglehold of Windows and Microsoft Office is hurting both consumers and businesses alike.  We’ve seen what happens to the PC market, when Intel doesn’t have competition from AMD or others; it’s called the Pentium 4. And stagnation of designs and pricing. The same is true of Windows/Office; as long as they’re the go-to app choices, Microsoft has no incentive to change development from a top-down management perspective (e.g., bringing the dedicated QA role back), because they’re the only game in town. A competitive office suite (especially spreadsheets) is needed in addition to the operating system to facilitate this change.

        I don’t hate Microsoft. But I do hate that the Microsoft ecosystem has been broken since at least 2015, with no reason for them to change it, because there is no single cataclysmic event, no tipping point, that causes change within the company.  As an IT person, I have zero belief in the idea that Satya Nadella, or any of the Microsoft department heads or VPs even care, nor do they have to, as long as their applications even half work.

        I imagine what it would be like if Dodge-Chrysler was the only car company in town.

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        We walk in the wiring closets no others will enter.
        We stand on the bridge, and no malware may pass.
        We engage in tech support, we do not retreat.
        We live for the LAN.
        We die for the LAN.

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      • #2355437
        WShlewton
        AskWoody Plus

        So I decided to try installing the March updates. The first machine seems to have taken them OK but I noticed what I see in the first screenshot I am attaching. Not sure what it means since you can see from the second screenshot that I already do have version 20H2 installed. Can anyone explain what the first screenshot means – the portion inside the Red box?

        Updates

        winver

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